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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    Welcome back to logging...

    You find the longer sustained efforts harder....there's a clue there 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Haha thanks for the reminder A, perfect timing. Having said that I don't think I'll be able enjoy Summer races as much as I hoped as my young ones schedules are jam packed with sporting fixtures that I have to accommodate 🙄 but I will definitely try to keep that in mind and I am excited just to experience the buzz of a start line again and even more so the finish line buzz 😅



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    Haha. I think you stand to gain a huge amount by working on that area. Those longer sustained efforts are generally purely aerobic and getting conditioned for that will just stand to you massively for all distances. And if you find them hard it implies that it's an area worth working on.

    But I'm biased because I've been reading up a lot on Lydiard lately. And I seem to be joining the Murph and DD cult.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Yes I understand. Under normal circumstances I do a fair few tempo (10m-HM pace) efforts alright and I don't mind those (to a degree), I suppose what I meant by sustained efforts was more 6-7mins @ CV pace (between 5 & 10k pace), this is where I really struggle and probably why I'm a disaster with 10k races. There seems to be a limit to how much I am willing to suffer 🙄 Yesterdays' session was 15mins tempo (on effort without looking at the watch and averaged 8:03min/m), 5' recovery, 8*1' hard (again no watch gazing, averaged 6:45min/m pace). This was very doable, but if for example you asked do 4 * 6' @ 7:25-7:35 I'd find it much harder and on paper this should probably be ok? But the basis of what you are saying is still absolutely correct, if it's something I find hard then it means it's an area worth working on. Food for thought... thanks P.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    Ah I get you now. Wouldnt worry too much there E. I dont think anybody finds those kinds of sustained efforts "easy". Give me 4*6mins at 10k pace and thats a very hard workout for me. 24mins of 10k effort wouldn't be hugely unusual but in the past I would probably have been limited to 4 or 5min reps (like 6 x 1k or 4x1200m). Different coaches have different philosophies though. McMillian would have you doing 3 x 2 miles of 10k pace in his plans. No thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Those McMillan 10k workouts look horrific 🤢



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,385 ✭✭✭ Mr. Guappa


    Fair play E... you are still racking up solid mileage given all that you have going on. Seems like you'll have a cracking base to build from next year. Best of luck with the next 10 weeks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    You and me have very similar lives! Great to see the log update. Did you run the border half last time out? Can you give any info on the route? Maybe you did a report..I must check.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Hi P. No, I have never run it. I've been meaning to stalk your Strava actually to see if you had but I hadn't got around to it (yet 😅). Any course info would be great but probably best to wait a few weeks (unless you have time to spare which I sincerely doubt!) as it's definitely not a definite right now!

    Enjoy the supporting on Sunday. I'm jealous of you, I'd love to go up but it's my son's 10th birthday, so I'll be hosting a family gathering for him ahead of a week of Halloween & birthday celebrations - kids nowadays seem to really drag it out 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Thanks A. If I can emulate your progress, I'll be very happy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    Tell me about it. We've just been through 3 birthdays in the space of one month and straight into Halloween now. All those birthdays included double celebrations - one in Limerick and one at Nana and grandads!

    I actually have never ran it. Thats why I was asking. Was hoping you would give me a walkthru on it. Below are my buddies splits from last year. I always find it hard to tell anything from these charts as the reality is always different






  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Hmmmm it really doesn't look great does it! The only downhill section looks like it'd be too steep to really take advantage of and probably too late to bring much relief. Maybe I won't be able to can't make it 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    Honestly the way things have been lately I've considered stepping back a bit...its all a little intense at the mo..taking it day by day though



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    No harm P. You've been juggling a lot and admitted you've been breaking your own rule of building up too many parts of your life at the same time. If you ask me, it's the time of year for base building anyways - I mean who wants to race in December? Unless it's in a Santa suit giving out hi-5s! I'm not really sure why I'm getting a notion now to start focussed training - all the DCMers putting me to shame lol! Lots of aerobic miles and some thresholdy stuff, keep ticking over. A few weeks or months can make a big difference in work-life balance - at least get over the cold/flu season, it's been never ending in my house with biggish kids so I can imagine with littler ones it's even worse 🙄 Mind yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,031 ✭✭✭✭ Murph_D


    Good to see this back up and running, and good luck with the training block. A half is a good idea - I think with any consistent base behind you it's always possible to scale up to a decent half performance so it will be good to see your progress. Good luck!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    Very true...and sensible.....

    I'm very stubborn. Always clinging on to the good days as a sign that things are turning a corner. For example this week was rough Sunday and Monday and then good for the rest of the week. We'll see!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭ Bluesquare


    Think the DCM entry for 2023 only opens today ….,,,,,,,,Fair play still clocking up the miles with the iron issues and very busy family life your some woman .

    There are always a few good spring half marathons floating around . Quite fancy Barcelona myself lol ( to escape busy family life ) .

    Looking forward to following your log - deffo need some inspiration !!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler


    Seems like a great time to have a bit of craic with some fun races. Would you consider this?

    As for training plans and your time constraints it's definitely manageable to build a training plan around 55mins limit during the week. Would you consider a coach? One session during the week which could easily fit into 55mins and a session and a long run at the weekend. That's assuming you can manage two weekend days. I haven't seen many books that tick all the boxes for me but Luke was excellent at building a plan around life. Most decent coaches are. Maybe have a chat with kellygirl too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Funny you should mention Trail running @Swashbuckler. I joined a Trail running group during the Summer and enjoyed a few runs with them but it's just very time consuming. I have to factor in minimum 2 hrs extra to drive to and from the meeting point for the runs. It's just not practical at the moment with the kids. It was fun though and definitely challenging in a very different way to road running.

    Re. a coach yeah, I'd consider one again if I had a specific goal but right now, I'm not too long off the back coaching and I'm still enjoying the break and freedom. Though I know for me there's a fine line between freedom and over-thinking/paralysis by analysis, where running becomes unnecessarily stressful, so I need to watch that too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    Thanks D. Yeah Half is a great distance alright. I usually do Kinvara Rock 'n' Road in March, it's not a particularly fast course but it's a really nice event. I've never done a notoriously fast HM though (like Charleville) so maybe that is something to think about for next year.

    Thanks, running keeps me sane to be honest - and thankfully my OH realises that! Barcelona would be fab, it's definitely on my agenda to do more running tourism, it's just hard to do everything 😃 You should consider logging again for motivation!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭ Bluesquare


    Yeah. - I find logging does keep me accountable when training for something . I don’t want to post that I went stupid fast on a slow run etc and get wrist slapped on here so keeps me honest !

    I used to log to keep myself amused during the pre covid commute which thankfully I don’t do now .

    If I can get some consistency going over next while I probably will and now I signed up for stupid DCM probably need that accountability !



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks


    Oh god I hear you on the feast or famine with nights out, after practically doing nothing throughout my marathon training, all the way up to Christmas looks very busy for me👀... I'm sure I'll live🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭ ariana`


    We'll just have to struggle on, take one for the team 'n' all that 🤩😆 Probably not the best time for me to be getting bloods done to check my liver function though 🙄😲



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