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Leinster v Castres 15/10/2016, RDS, 3.15 - BT Sports 3

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    #122
    swiwi_
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    He again took away their territorial kicking game. He was one of our few backs getting supporting lines right after our breaks in the first half. Won the ball in the air in Castres' half and forced a knock on from a similar kick giving us possession on the edge of their 22 both times from Carberry's kicking. He stood in at first receiver on numerous occasions. He's in very strong form these days but people have their mind made up before he takes the field.

    I don't have my mind made up. I watched the game. He was fine. He wasn't excellent in the sense of "wow, what a game from Kearney".

    Just like you say people have their mind made up that he is not as good as he was, there is also a little coterie who are defending their man to the end.


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    #123
    irishbucsfan
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    I don't have my mind made up. I watched the game. He was fine. He wasn't excellent in the sense of "wow, what a game from Kearney".

    Just like you say people have their mind made up that he is not as good as he was, there is also a little coterie who are defending their man to the end.

    What do you mean by a coterie defending him to the end exactly?


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    #124
    Neil3030
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    I just hope that sloppy finish won't cost us at the end of the pool stage. I really think we left a few tries left out there. Other than that, very pleased with the performance and result.


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    #125
    Clegg
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    Created a ton of chances which is good. There were times of the last few years where Leinster were desperate at that. Hopefully their finishing will improve. Been saying that for a while though.


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    #126
    clsmooth
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    Thrilled with that. In terms of units I think the maul defence really needs work but otherwise that was excellent.

    No problem with Carbery making the step up. I'm getting seriously excited about Ringrose, this guy is the real deal. Everything he does shows class and composure.

    He'a quality. I liked how at the end he was covering after Carberys left footed grubber got blocked, Ringrose did well to get the ball and get away a solid clearance on his left foot down he field under pressure. Something quite simple, but done very well.


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    #127
    duskyjoe
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    BO'D the best at rugby and the opposite commentating ....dire. Shane Jennings born for the mike and great analysis.


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    #128
    kuang1
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Just like you say people have their mind made up that he is not as good as he was, there is also a little coterie who are defending their man to the end.

    This is true.
    Haven't seen any of today's game yet so I've no contribution to make to the Kearney debate.

    I do think that Kearney has to earn (or re-earn) some of the plaudits back that he justifiably had in the past.


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    #129
    former total
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    So much to be pleased about today.

    The utter dominance in the scrum, lineout and maul.
    Carbery looks the real deal.
    Henshaw is going to turn out to be a great signing.
    But he will never be as good a signing as Nacewa.
    Healy continues his resurgence.

    Delighted with that win.


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    #130
    swiwi_
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    former total wrote: »
    So much to be pleased about today.

    The utter dominance in the scrum, lineout and maul.
    Carbery looks the real deal.
    Henshaw is going to turn out to be a great signing.
    But he will never be as good a signing as Nacewa.
    Healy continues his resurgence.

    Delighted with that win.

    Is that a little poem :pac:


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    #131
    Interested Observer
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    former total wrote: »
    So much to be pleased about today.

    The utter dominance in the scrum, lineout and maul.
    Carbery looks the real deal.
    Henshaw is going to turn out to be a great signing.
    But he will never be as good a signing as Nacewa.
    Healy continues his resurgence.

    Delighted with that win.

    Sorry the maul defence was crap, just the same as against Munster. Otherwise I agree.


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    #132
    Losty Dublin
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    Observations....
    • Carbery is unreal. He has to be capped in November, ideally a start versus Canada.
    • The scrums weren't great until Mike Ross came on.
    • Maul defence is not great; that's what ultimately led to McGrath's sin bin.
    • Speaking of McGrath, his passing wasn't as good granted but Carbery tended to sit back more than Sexton so the passes were going to be a bit more over the shop. Still, he can done better.
    • Cronin had a massive game in the loose. It's like having 3 flankers at times.
    • More ruthlessness is needed, even after the bonus point. Castres were good for a 40 point gap today; in a tight group it will tell come January.
    • Isa. I'll go this far; better than BOD.


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    #133
    sydthebeat
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    I thought Kearney was quite good today, faded a little as the game progresses but at that stage he had done everything asked of him.
    Himself and ringrose have a good understanding and he was hitting the line in very good positions at speed. After today I wouldn't be as worried if he's named 15 in Chicago, but I do think he has to win in it off TOH currently.


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    #134
    molloyjh
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    Also, what about Ian Nagle? Thought he was very good today.


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    #135
    former total
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Also, what about Ian Nagle? Thought he was very good today.

    Yes, worked his arse off the whole game.


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    #136
    irishbucsfan
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    Nagle could end up cited after jumping on that guys head, but he'd be unlucky because he got pushed a little bit


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    #137
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    TG4 have highlights tonight at 11:10 for anyone who needs them. Assume they'll show the Connacht ones too, if not all the matches.


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    #138
    molloyjh
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Nagle could end up cited after jumping on that guys head, but he'd be unlucky because he got pushed a little bit

    Didn't see that in the ground. Will keep an eye out when watching the replay.


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    #139
    First Up
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    irishbucsfan wrote:
    Nagle could end up cited after jumping on that guys head, but he'd be unlucky because he got pushed a little bit

    It was a scary incident and its a relief he is OK but it would be a harsh citing.


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    #140
    scott1974
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Nagle could end up cited after jumping on that guys head, but he'd be unlucky because he got pushed a little bit

    He won't get cited, it was purely accidental..


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    #141
    Connacht2KXX
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    Surprised that so few people have mentioned our terrible ball retention, especially at ruck time. We seemed to arrive very late to the breakdown and also committed very few numbers to clear it out. We conceded a number of penalties due to Castres players getting latched onto the ball before anyone arrived to clear it out. I think they got 2 clean steals in total.
    We also committed virtually no one to their rucks. It seemed like we set up with 2 pillars with no one trying to make a poach or disrupt their ball (think Heaslip got one turn over and Vdf made 2 attempts at slowing their ball down). This allowed them to make easy breaks close to the fringes. Their second try came from them picking and going 2 or 3 times and made about 10m due to our awful pillar defense system.

    Dont think the ref knew what was going on in the scrum in the first half. Their loosehead was getting mauled by Furlong yet somehow, he only awarded one penalty to us.

    Carberry is the new messiah. 4 linebreaks with 120ish metres ran and 11 defenders beaten is insanely impressive for a 20 year old's HC debut. Should get a cap against Canada.


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    #142
    redmca2
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    I was at the match.
    The ref was pretty weak I thought, his oddest decision being the penalty try for Castres. He sin binned Luke McGrath for pulling down a maul!!
    Luke McGrath pulled down 7 or 8 Castres forwards??
    He should get a medal if he did that all by himself !!


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    #143
    Hagz
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    He carded him for entering the maul from the side.


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    #144
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    Connacht2KXX wrote: »
    Surprised that so few people have mentioned our terrible ball retention, especially at ruck time. We seemed to arrive very late to the breakdown and also committed very few numbers to clear it out. We conceded a number of penalties due to Castres players getting latched onto the ball before anyone arrived to clear it out. I think they got 2 clean steals in total.
    We also committed virtually no one to their rucks. It seemed like we set up with 2 pillars with no one trying to make a poach or disrupt their ball (think Heaslip got one turn over and Vdf made 2 attempts at slowing their ball down). This allowed them to make easy breaks close to the fringes. Their second try came from them picking and going 2 or 3 times and made about 10m due to our awful pillar defense system.

    Dont think the ref knew what was going on in the scrum in the first half. Their loosehead was getting mauled by Furlong yet somehow, he only awarded one penalty to us.

    Carberry is the new messiah. 4 linebreaks with 120ish metres ran and 11 defenders beaten is insanely impressive for a 20 year old's HC debut. Should get a cap against Canada.

    Carberry needs to develop a bit more but he is almost there. Paddy Jackson didn't benefit from his early exposure to international rugby and whilst I think Carberry is more rounded a player now than Jackson was then I still think a few more starts in the pro12 are in order.

    At a basic level, he needs to be able to take his kicks so that we aren't having to start an experienced kicker somewhere on the field. As I mentioned in another post, he rightly avoided the breakdown but a couple of times there were steals right in front of him and he stayed out of it (seemed to be more positioned at 13 / 15 at that stage of the game).

    He was absolutely top drawer in his decision making today, and he is deceptively quick also. Massive that we've unearthed him, credit to Graham Henry or whoever it was!


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    #145
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Surely Carbery should be allowed kick at the start of a few games and if it's really not going well change it?


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    #146
    Hagz
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    Did anyone spot the dive by Rory Kockott in the 73rd minute?

    He put Nicolas Sanchez to shame.


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    #147
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    scott1974 wrote: »
    He won't get cited, it was purely accidental..

    Intention is not the criteria by which citings happen.


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    #148
    Hagz
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    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    Intention is not the criteria by which citings happen.

    Control should come into it though. He didn't behave recklessly.


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    #149
    Adbrowne
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    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    Intention is not the criteria by which citings happen.

    He jumped up to try and block the boxkick and as he jumped off the ground he got a shove off the castres pillar. I think it wouldnt be right to be cited, and if he is, there is a good case to defend it.


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    #150
    CMOTDibbler
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    I only got to see the highlights on TG4, but to score a try whilst down to 14 men was impressive.

    That doesn't happen often. Great awareness by Nacewa and he finished it well.


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    #151
    molloyjh
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    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    Intention is not the criteria by which citings happen.

    There's no way he can be cited for that. He never would have landed on the guys head but for the push he got in the air. It would be crazy to cite him for not being able to counter act the laws of physics.


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