Breaking dependence - enforcing sexual morals, restoring corporal punishment and hard

brickmauser

The relaxation of sexual morals in particular the acceptance of single motherhood has led to the creation of fatherless welfare dependent asocial young offenders who have not learned the value of work or the masculine virtues of discipline and gruelling physical labour due to an absence of responsible fathers.

In school they play truant or are defiantly disruptive - perhaps a subconscious demand to be loved rather than managed by teachers playing the surrogate parent role due to the fecklessness of their parents. The absence of punishment - violent painful punishment at the hands of a stick wielding male teacher - means they are scornful of female teachers who give them mere verbal reprimands - all that their mothers can do too incidentally since there is no father to administer a physical chastisement.

As they emerge from school with no education since no discipline was enforced they lack the ability to knuckle down and obey orders from authority figures at work or law enforcement. They are unemployable and resort to anti social behavior or full blown careers in crime.

Cops cannot administer beatings to juvenile scum without human rights crusaders breathing down their necks. The relaxation of height requirements and the introduction of females into the police force has resulted in its castration.

If laws are not enforced - with physical violence - the law has no teeth. Fatherless juvenile feral scum who received no chastisement in the home or school will have no fear of cops or courts which send them for treatment and counselling and give them suspended sentences. Sending them to prison is no punishment if they have gyms and games consoles and TV and three square meals and loaf about all day.

In the past prison were brutal wretched places with harsh regimes enforced by physical violence such as flogging combined with hard labour and a very basic diet.

Is it any surprise scumbags who are the product of dingle mothers and inept teachers and a soft justice system go on to offend and offend and offend?

How about restoring the taboo on single motherhood? A woman who was a single mother in the past was considered the same as a whore and her children were labelled as bastards. Sexual taboos were ruthlessly enforced.

In the past if you defied a teacher you got the crap beaten out of you and when you came home you got a beating from your father who was feared. Fathers didn't give hugs or tell you they loved you. They chastised you and put manners on you.

In the past apprentices who gave lip got a dig from their peers or their employers. You got out of line you got squashed. Simple as.

Gangs of feral kids were sorted out by locals who send them home with a kick up the backside and clip over the ear. Cops like Lugs Brannigan never bothered the juvenile courts and administered savage beatings to jumped up thugs.

Nip it in the bud at the very start and society will become safer and quieter. We can go back to the days of leaving our doors unlocked.

dashoonage

What?

Speedwell

Troll.

dashoonage

Ok read it.


**** off.

Wibbs

Am I a bad man for sitting awaiting some of the outrage… :D

purpleisafruit

Who could possibly disagree with any of those points? :rolleyes:

dudara

Ah the good old days.

If you miss them that much, I suggest closing your computer, throwing it in the bin and start using pen & paper to write letters to the editor of the Times.

_Brian

Get down of that soap box your embarrassing yourself 😕

VinLieger

Wibbs wrote: »

Am I a bad man for sitting awaiting some of the outrage… :D

Surely everyone knows by now not to respond to them?

Speedwell

Wibbs wrote: »

Am I a bad man for sitting awaiting some of the outrage… :D

No, you're just a spectator at the gladiatorial combat which the OP would likely also be in favor of, since they think violence solves everything.

Kindly kick him out from under his bridge, wouldja?

Wibbs

Speedwell wrote: »

Troll.

Maybe, but there are quite the silent minority out there who might agree with some of his/her? post. Calling them trolls is easy. After all the back slapping over the gay marriage vote, it's easy to forget it was a too narrow a margin to be that smug and self satisfied about it.

dwayneshintzy

1950s Ireland truly was a paradise!

sharkfox

Sounds like you had a terrible childhood

gramar

Breaking dependence - enforcing sexual morals, restoring corporal punishment and hard......

...and hard what? Doing it all while maintaining an erection?

VinLieger

So what does everyone wanna talk about? Personally i'm looking forward to the ryder cup later but i get its not everyone's cup of tea

benjamin d

dudara wrote: »

Ah the good old days.

If you miss them that much, I suggest closing your computer, throwing it in the bin and start using pen & paper to write letters to the editor of the Times.

I feel that this lad is probably more of a Sunday World officianado

Speedwell

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but there are quite the silent minority out there who might agree with some of his/her? post. Calling them trolls is easy. After all the back slapping over the gay marriage vote, it's easy to forget it was a too narrow a margin to be that smug and self satisfied about it.

Great, all we need is a Tea Party movement in Ireland, except instead of being "honest" about the government, they can be "honest" about keeping order with their fists (always theirs, never someone else's) and about throwing their pregnant daughters out of the house.

Where I came from, people of this sort are campaigning for Trump.

Wibbs

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

1950s Ireland truly was a paradise!

As with all time periods it depends who you ask. For people in urban areas with half decent jobs it was a "paradise". Quiet, traditional, stable and safe. The gulags it was not.

VinLieger

Wibbs wrote: »

As with all time periods it depends who you ask. For people in urban areas with half decent jobs it was a "paradise". Quiet, traditional, stable and safe. The gulags it was not.

So not different like nowadays and thus "scary", gotcha

Wibbs

Speedwell wrote: »

Great, all we need is a Tea Party movement in Ireland, except instead of being "honest" about the government, they can be "honest" about keeping order with their fists (always theirs, never someone else's) and about throwing their pregnant daughters out of the house.

And how do you stop these muppets? It is not by closing them down and creating "safe spaces". Too often that's what happens these days. It is by exposing them to the full light of reason and debate.

Pherekydes

Whose sexual morals are we enforcing?

The leaders of some childless, celebate sect?

Speedwell

Wibbs wrote: »

And how do you stop these muppets? It is not by closing them down and creating "safe spaces". Too often that's what happens these days. It is by exposing them to the full light of reason and debate.

I don't stoop to debating people on the Internet who think you can keep order by thuggery and abuse, and morality by promoting suffering. You can if you want. Such nastiness needs to be called out as something we don't do in a decent society.

Wibbs

Missed your edit.

Speedwell wrote: »

Where I came from, people of this sort are campaigning for Trump.

Yep and look at the huge support he's gathered around him. He is a bumbling oaf, sure, liked by bumbling oafs and people just simply pissed off with the current system that foists a crooked harridan like Hillary on them.

padd b1975

Well said OP.
You're definitely not alone in your outlook despite the predictable boards.ie stampede of self-righteous indignation when someone dares to go off message.

There's still a few of us left who haven't been sucked into the "right-on" cult.

Wibbs

Speedwell wrote: »

I don't stoop to debating people on the Internet who think you can keep order by thuggery and abuse, and morality by promoting suffering. You can if you want. Such nastiness needs to be called out as something we don't do in a decent society.

The two underlined positions don't quite gel TBH. So what do you want? Censorship after a missive from on high, or debate. The former will only encourage the muppets. It continues to stagger me that the weight of history has time and time again proven this, yet people still think it's going to work. This time.

Speedwell

padd b1975 wrote: »

Well said OP.
You're definitely not alone in your outlook despite the predictable boards.ie stampede of self-righteous indignation when someone dares to go off message.

There's still a few of us left who haven't been sucked into the "right-on" cult.

It's the job of decent people to keep thugs and abusers like you from giving free rein to your sociopathy.

I'm out of this toxic sludge. I have enough to deal with IRL when people like you attempt to slime and fight their way over my rights. You go on being a free spirit, and I'll keep on trying to do my part to clean up the mess you leave behind.

brickmauser

gramar wrote: »

Breaking dependence - enforcing sexual morals, restoring corporal punishment and hard......

...and hard what? Doing it all while maintaining an erection?

Hard labour

Cervantes2

Bishops love sci-fi!

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

Hard labour

Is that what the priests called it?

Eponymous

Calm the fuck down Grandad.

dinorebel

brickmauser wrote: »

The relaxation of sexual morals in particular the acceptance of single motherhood has led to the creation of fatherless welfare dependent asocial young offenders who have not learned the value of work or the masculine virtues of discipline and gruelling physical labour due to an absence of responsible fathers.

In school they play truant or are defiantly disruptive - perhaps a subconscious demand to be loved rather than managed by teachers playing the surrogate parent role due to the fecklessness of their parents. The absence of punishment - violent painful punishment at the hands of a stick wielding male teacher - means they are scornful of female teachers who give them mere verbal reprimands - all that their mothers can do too incidentally since there is no father to administer a physical chastisement.

As they emerge from school with no education since no discipline was enforced they lack the ability to knuckle down and obey orders from authority figures at work or law enforcement. They are unemployable and resort to anti social behavior or full blown careers in crime.

Cops cannot administer beatings to juvenile scum without human rights crusaders breathing down their necks. The relaxation of height requirements and the introduction of females into the police force has resulted in its castration.

If laws are not enforced - with physical violence - the law has no teeth. Fatherless juvenile feral scum who received no chastisement in the home or school will have no fear of cops or courts which send them for treatment and counselling and give them suspended sentences. Sending them to prison is no punishment if they have gyms and games consoles and TV and three square meals and loaf about all day.

In the past prison were brutal wretched places with harsh regimes enforced by physical violence such as flogging combined with hard labour and a very basic diet.

Is it any surprise scumbags who are the product of dingle mothers and inept teachers and a soft justice system go on to offend and offend and offend?

How about restoring the taboo on single motherhood? A woman who was a single mother in the past was considered the same as a whore and her children were labelled as bastards. Sexual taboos were ruthlessly enforced.

In the past if you defied a teacher you got the crap beaten out of you and when you came home you got a beating from your father who was feared. Fathers didn't give hugs or tell you they loved you. They chastised you and put manners on you.

In the past apprentices who gave lip got a dig from their peers or their employers. You got out of line you got squashed. Simple as.

Gangs of feral kids were sorted out by locals who send them home with a kick up the backside and clip over the ear. Cops like Lugs Brannigan never bothered the juvenile courts and administered savage beatings to jumped up thugs.

Nip it in the bud at the very start and society will become safer and quieter. We can go back to the days of leaving our doors unlocked.

Need a hug hun?

ebbsy

I like chicken.

Infini

Too much wall-o-text for me to bother reading the rant. Is their any bullshyte free version?

Colser

Eponymous wrote:

Calm the **** down Grandad.

Watch out...he's coming for you with the wooden spoon.

VinLieger

Infini2 wrote: »

Too much wall-o-text for me to bother reading the rant. Is their any bullshyte free version?

"Make Ireland great again"

Tabnabs

brickmauser wrote: »

If laws are not enforced - with physical violence - the law has no teeth.

Honestly, it's a moral compass like the OP has that makes me wish Ireland had Second Amendment rights like the US. (S)he'd be "enforcing" those morals from the wrong end of the barrel...

Wibbs

Speedwell wrote: »

I'm out of this toxic sludge. I have enough to deal with IRL when people like you attempt to slime and fight their way over my rights. You go on being a free spirit, and I'll keep on trying to do my part to clean up the mess you leave behind.

Which is cool, but the more people ignore these kind of attitudes, the more they will grow. And these attitudes are growing. YOu mentioned Trump(in my youth another slang word for a fart. Yep). Yes he's an utter farce and a dangerous enough one(though Hillary also has potential there). But think on this; he was ignored, laughed at, mocked, written off as a sideshow and rightly so, but Donald Trump is now the voted for United States presidential candidate for the party that gave the world Abraham Lincoln.

Chips Lovell

I don't think the OP's heart is really in it. The only castration he mentions is metaphorical.

_Kaiser_

OK I'll bite... The OP's delivery may need some (a LOT) of work, but there's an interesting topic in there nonetheless..

He IS right in that we as a society (The West) have become softer, more inward-looking and liberal in the last 30 years, and while this has been a good thing in many respects, it's also led to problems like a weaker/more ineffective justice system and a society that is less capable of dealing with "old school" threats like antisocial behaviour, criminality or indeed (to take it to an extreme) terrorism.

In our liberal, tolerant, politically-correct society where everything must be in-line with the agreed consensus on social media, and a traditional media with websites and 24 hours to fill normalising this, we find ourselves unable to deal effectively with those who don't "conform" with this outlook - whether it be feral kids who make life miserable for their neighbours, or radicalised terrorists causing mass destruction.

Not everything can be "talked out" or resolved by "examining your feelings" or validation by the online community, but I disagree with the OP's conclusions that corporal punishment, the exclusion of women from the Gardai, and demonising single mothers again is the way forward - although to be fair I think maybe this is more an extreme reaction to the frustration caused by this paralysis?

Surely there has to be a middle ground?

gandalf

Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Fuhrer!!!!!

:Rolleyes:


(When did Donald Trumps speech writers join boards)

Pherekydes

padd b1975 wrote: »

There's still a few of us left who haven't been sucked into the "right-on" cult.

No, you've been sucked into the RC cult.

dav3

Ah the goods old days Joe. Homosexuality, same sex marriage, divorce were all illegal. Pedophilia rampant in the catholic church. High rates of unemployment and poor standards of living. Single mothers were locked up and abused.

Ah Joe, the good old days, we were miserable but we were happy Joe, the good old days.

Wibbs

Pherekydes wrote: »

No, you've been sucked into the RC cult.

I know they're a very easy target P, but it's equally easy to forget that the vote swing against divorce was higher among the various Protestant Irish communities and see how well one would fare in the past as a pregnant teen in the Presbyterian church or CofI for that matter.

CdeC

brickmauser wrote: »

How about restoring the taboo on single motherhood? A woman who was a single mother in the past was considered the same as a whore and her children were labelled as bastards. Sexual taboos were ruthlessly enforced.

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Someone has been watching too much Game of Thrones

In the game of inner city Dublin, you win or you die

The is a report by a police commissioner from 1922 about Juvenal crime in Dublin and to sum up his conclusion it was cause hanging around cinemas and being out at night time.

Before the 18th century the ideas of sending someone to prison for years on end as punishment would have seemed an odd idea, prisons as we know them only emerged after the 18th century.

There is always this harking back to a supposed golden past it is a them through out history. It was a large part of Nazi ideology. Trump talks about making America great again.

Advbrd

Another crusade by good old Brick.
I await endless senseless repetition of
"fact"
"logic"
"science".

Wibbs

Speedwell wrote: »

It's the job of decent people to keep thugs and abusers like you from giving free rein to your sociopathy.

Hang on… how did yer man become a thuggish sociopathic abuser? Them's some really heavy duty accusations to be throwing around about someone you don't know who wrote a two sentence post. Jesus. Overreaction much? And this is "decent people" for you?

Oh and just to be perfectly clear here; I do not want the type of conservative society outlined in the OP and I gave up the religion thing as a fairytale a long time ago. I just find it interesting the oft lack of insight and definition of "decency" on both sides.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Been chasing dick all my life and wouldn't change a second of it

kunst nugget

brickmauser wrote: »

Is it any surprise scumbags who are the product of dingle mothers?

I'm glad you've had the courage to finally expose this, OP. For too long, these aran-jumper wearing, fairy-door selling, arts and crafts types have been allowed to run amok and cause havoc with their muesli-eating, black pudding making, local fresh fish selling spawn. It's time that we as a society try and stamp out this menace. I think an internment camp for people that smell vaguely of patchouli oil should be set up in the area.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

brickmauser wrote: »

The relaxation of sexual morals in particular the acceptance of single motherhood has led to the creation of fatherless welfare dependent asocial young offenders who have not learned the value of work or the masculine virtues of discipline and gruelling physical labour due to an absence of responsible fathers.

In school they play truant or are defiantly disruptive - perhaps a subconscious demand to be loved rather than managed by teachers playing the surrogate parent role due to the fecklessness of their parents. The absence of punishment - violent painful punishment at the hands of a stick wielding male teacher - means they are scornful of female teachers who give them mere verbal reprimands - all that their mothers can do too incidentally since there is no father to administer a physical chastisement.

As they emerge from school with no education since no discipline was enforced they lack the ability to knuckle down and obey orders from authority figures at work or law enforcement. They are unemployable and resort to anti social behavior or full blown careers in crime.

Cops cannot administer beatings to juvenile scum without human rights crusaders breathing down their necks. The relaxation of height requirements and the introduction of females into the police force has resulted in its castration.

If laws are not enforced - with physical violence - the law has no teeth. Fatherless juvenile feral scum who received no chastisement in the home or school will have no fear of cops or courts which send them for treatment and counselling and give them suspended sentences. Sending them to prison is no punishment if they have gyms and games consoles and TV and three square meals and loaf about all day.

In the past prison were brutal wretched places with harsh regimes enforced by physical violence such as flogging combined with hard labour and a very basic diet.

Is it any surprise scumbags who are the product of dingle mothers and inept teachers and a soft justice system go on to offend and offend and offend?

How about restoring the taboo on single motherhood? A woman who was a single mother in the past was considered the same as a whore and her children were labelled as bastards. Sexual taboos were ruthlessly enforced.

In the past if you defied a teacher you got the crap beaten out of you and when you came home you got a beating from your father who was feared. Fathers didn't give hugs or tell you they loved you. They chastised you and put manners on you.

In the past apprentices who gave lip got a dig from their peers or their employers. You got out of line you got squashed. Simple as.

Gangs of feral kids were sorted out by locals who send them home with a kick up the backside and clip over the ear. Cops like Lugs Brannigan never bothered the juvenile courts and administered savage beatings to jumped up thugs.

Nip it in the bud at the very start and society will become safer and quieter. We can go back to the days of leaving our doors unlocked.

Soooo much assuption...

kunst nugget

kunst nugget wrote: »

I'm glad you've had the courage to finally expose this, OP. For too long, these aran-jumper wearing, fairy-door selling, arts and crafts types have been allowed to run amok and cause havoc with their muesli-eating, black pudding making, local fresh fish selling spawn. It's time that we as a society try and stamp out this menace. I think an internment camp for people that smell vaguely of patchouli oil should be set up in the area.

There is a lovely cheese shop in dingle and lovey pubs.