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The real mccoy 91 · 01-03-2017 03:49PM

Utopia Parkway wrote:

Farrell is not guaranteed anything. There is every chance Sexton could be the 10 and Gatland has generally favoured a more physical abrasive 12 than a playmaking 12 so Farrell could even be squeezed out there.

Utopia Parkway wrote:

That said between 10 and 12 I expect he'll get plenty of game time over there.

What? Farrell is one of the first names on the team sheet for the best club team in the world and one of the best international teams in the world? That's not an accident and he is a huge part of the reason all teams he plays in are so good

Dog Botherer · 01-03-2017 03:59PM

The real mccoy 91 wrote: »

What? Farrell is one of the first names on the team sheet for the best club team in the world and one of the best international teams in the world? That's not an accident and he is a huge part of the reason all teams he plays in are so good

Yeah but Sexton is a better 10 than him. No question. That's one starting position chalked off.

Gatland prefers a big physical 12 who can get over the gainline. Someone like Henshaw, Roberts, or Tuilagi, were he fit. If Henshaw is fit, I doubt he'd select Farrell ahead of him.

I mean, you're not wrong, Farrell is first choice for England and Sarries. But they're not the Lions.

The real mccoy 91 · 01-03-2017 04:40PM

Dog Botherer wrote:

Yeah but Sexton is a better 10 than him. No question. That's one starting position chalked off.

Dog Botherer wrote:

Gatland prefers a big physical 12 who can get over the gainline. Someone like Henshaw, Roberts, or Tuilagi, were he fit. If Henshaw is fit, I doubt he'd select Farrell ahead of him.

Dog Botherer wrote:

I mean, you're not wrong, Farrell is first choice for England and Sarries. But they're not the Lions.

If and it's a big if sexton is fit then possibly. Gatland has already questioned his durability and missing 2 games will have emphasised that fact.

What he prefers is a bit irrelevant if farrell doesn't start gatlands head is on a block.

Dog Botherer · 01-03-2017 04:51PM

The real mccoy 91 wrote: »

If and it's a big if sexton is fit then possibly. Gatland has already questioned his durability and missing 2 games will have emphasised that fact.

What he prefers is a bit irrelevant if farrell doesn't start gatlands head is on a block.

Sorry mate but that's absolute rubbish. There's zero debate over who's the better 10, I'd say even the majority of English fans would love to have Sexton. He essentially combines Farrell's and Ford's best attributes. Rock solid in defence, pace, beautiful passer, reads the game like a book, and a world class goalkicker. England need two men to do his job.

If Sexton is fit, he starts. Gatland's head being on a block for selecting the best 10 in the NH is utter nonsense.

The real mccoy 91 · 01-03-2017 05:01PM

CatFromHue wrote:

The finals for the Pro12 and Aviva are on the week before the first game so it's gonna go

CatFromHue wrote:

Sat: Aviva + Pro12 Final Sun: start Journey to NZ Arrive either late on Mon night or Tue morn Tue: acclimatise or light training Wed: day off Thurs: train Fri: Captains Run Sat: game v N BaaBaas Sun: half training session Mon: train Tue: Captains run Wed: game v Blues Sat : game v Crusaders Wed: game v Highlanders Sat : game v Maori Wed: game v Chiefs Sat: 1 st Test

CatFromHue wrote:

Considering it's looking like Leinster, Munster, Ospreys, Sarries, and Wasps will be in the mix for the Pro12 and Aviva final the amount of training the players will have before they start playing the games will be minimal, at the most!

Dog Botherer wrote:

Sorry mate but that's absolute rubbish. There's zero debate over who's the better 10, I'd say even the majority of English fans would love to have Sexton. He essentially combines Farrell's and Ford's best attributes. Rock solid in defence, pace, beautiful passer, reads the game like a book, and a world class goalkicker. England need two men to do his job.

Dog Botherer wrote:

If Sexton is fit, he starts. Gatland's head being on a block for selecting the best 10 in the NH is utter nonsense.

Look at the schedule sextons durability it's already very questionable I'm not doubting his class or attributes but if as it looks leinster go deep in the Heineken cup and pro 12 he will have alot of rugby to play and then straight into a lions tour without a break? I'd be sticking my money on him being injured or needing a rest. I'd also happily stick every penny I have on farrell been in the starting XV in the 10 or 12 spot

Dog Botherer · 01-03-2017 05:08PM

The real mccoy 91 wrote: »

Look at the schedule sextons durability it's already very questionable I'm not doubting his class or attributes but if as it looks leinster go deep in the Heineken cup and pro 12 he will have alot of rugby to play and then straight into a lions tour without a break? I'd be sticking my money on him being injured or needing a rest. I'd also happily stick every penny I have on farrell been in the starting XV in the 10 or 12 spot

Go for it mate. Farrell will be playing just as much rugby as Sexton, if not more. I'd back Sarries to be in the Aviva and CC finals. If both Farrell and Sexton travel then Sexton will be managed. He'll start maybe 2 dirttracker games, tops, just to keep the engine running, with Farrell and another 10 sharing the rest.

This argument is getting very repetitive anyway. Suffice to say, despite all your ranting, if Sexton is fit, he starts. If he isn't, Farrell does. Which is what I've been saying from my very first post.

Erik Shin · 01-03-2017 05:13PM

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Go for it mate. Farrell will be playing just as much rugby as Sexton, if not more. I'd back Sarries to be in the Aviva and CC finals. If both Farrell and Sexton travel then Sexton will be managed. He'll start maybe 2 dirttracker games, tops, just to keep the engine running, with Farrell and another 10 sharing the rest.

This argument is getting very repetitive anyway. Suffice to say, despite all your ranting, if Sexton is fit, he starts. If he isn't, Farrell does. Which is what I've been saying from my very first post.

I'd think a fit Sexton from 3-4 years ago would start... The Sexton we have today, no, I think Farrell starts the first test

The real mccoy 91 · 01-03-2017 05:21PM

Sexton has alot more miles on the clock and a much bigger injury list than farrell which has to be a factor? He will be managed I still don't see it tho. I'm not ranting it's a matter of opinions which is the reason for the whole post. We can just agree to disagree

accensi0n · 01-03-2017 08:14PM

Neither of them.

Carbery > Carter

Erik Shin · 01-03-2017 08:16PM

accensi0n wrote: »

Neither of them.

Keatley > Carbery > Carter

01-03-2017 09:12PM

Even if Sexton doesn't stay entirely fit for the rest of the season they will want him to go. On form he is a good neck ahead of the next best so will be accommodated. Kearney was brought half fit last time, they'll definitely bring Sexton if at all possible.

Dog Botherer · 01-03-2017 10:41PM

For me, there's no situation, bar long term injury, in which Sexton doesn't travel. He'll be given every chance to prove his fitness.

Erik Shin · 02-03-2017 08:50AM

Dog Botherer wrote: »

For me, there's no situation, bar long term injury, in which Sexton doesn't travel. He'll be given every chance to prove his fitness.

There's a world of difference between Sexton travelling, and Sexton being first choice though

Utopia Parkway · 02-03-2017 04:09PM

If Sexton is fit and healthy (admittedly a big if these days) I would bet any money he will start at 10. He's still the best 10 available.

Farrell is obviously a very good player but it's not that difficult to see how he could be squeezed out of starting the tests. Sexton could well be selected at 10 and Gatland usually has a certain type of player he prefers at 12. He may pick Farrell regardless but it wouldn't be a big shock to see him go the Henshaw/Roberts route.

The real mccoy 91 · 02-03-2017 04:41PM

Utopia Parkway wrote:

Farrell is obviously a very good player but it's not that difficult to see how he could be squeezed out of starting the tests. Sexton could well be selected at 10 and Gatland usually has a certain type of player he prefers at 12. He may pick Farrell regardless but it wouldn't be a big shock to see him go the Henshaw/Roberts route.

Has he ever had an option like farrell for 12 though? He has picked big guys at 12 before but that's because he has never had a world class option like farrell at 12

Buer · 02-03-2017 05:27PM

The real mccoy 91 wrote: »

Has he ever had an option like farrell for 12 though?

He had Farrell.

02-03-2017 05:28PM

Murray, Sexton, Farrell, Payne would be the most filthy distributing halfback and midfield combination of all time.

The ball would be appearing and disappearing like it was some kind of magic trick.

Neil3030 · 02-03-2017 05:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Murray, Sexton, Farrell, Payne would be the most filthy distributing halfback and midfield combination of all time.

The ball would be appearing and disappearing like it was some kind of magic trick.

Add in Hogg joining the fun from fullback and Elliot Daly coming in from the wing to deputise in the 13 channel and you basically have a backline that could rival UPS in terms of distribution.

The problem becomes though, who are they distributing to? All roads lead to George North on the other wing?

02-03-2017 06:04PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

Add in Hogg joining the fun from fullback and Elliot Daly coming in from the wing to deputise in the 13 channel and you basically have a backline that could rival UPS in terms of distribution.

The problem becomes though, who are they distributing to? All roads lead to George North on the other wing?

Nowell for me, or Zebo.

Scratch that, Dave Kearney just for the outrage.

The real mccoy 91 · 02-03-2017 06:10PM

Buer wrote:

He had Farrell.

He's not the same player he was 4 years ago

Nift · 02-03-2017 06:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Murray, Sexton, Farrell, Payne would be the most filthy distributing halfback and midfield combination of all time.

The ball would be appearing and disappearing like it was some kind of magic trick.

Payne? Not a chance

Neil3030 · 02-03-2017 06:19PM

FWIW my backline would be:

Murray
Sexton
Daly
Farrell
Henshaw
Seymour
Hogg

Maybe Webb, Russell and Nowell on the bench.

wp_rathead · 02-03-2017 07:55PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

FWIW my backline would be:

Murray
Sexton
Daly
Farrell
Henshaw
Seymour
Hogg

Maybe Webb, Russell and Nowell on the bench.

I like that, but needs some Liam Williams, and prob no need for Russell on bench with two OH starting

02-03-2017 08:07PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

FWIW my backline would be:

Murray
Sexton
Daly
Farrell
Henshaw
Seymour
Hogg

Maybe Webb, Russell and Nowell on the bench.

wp_rathead wrote: »

I like that, but needs some Liam Williams, and prob no need for Russell on bench with twothree OH starting

FYP

Boscoirl · 02-03-2017 08:20PM

Has Payne ever passed the ball when at 13?

Erik Shin · 02-03-2017 08:20PM

Boscoirl wrote: »

Has Payne ever passed the ball when at 13?

Yes

wp_rathead · 02-03-2017 08:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

FYP

Ha yes, wouldn't fancy him being at OH against NZ but point made

CMOTDibbler · 03-03-2017 10:08AM

Boscoirl wrote: »

Has Payne ever passed the ball when at 13?

Well there was this one for the 2016 World Rugby try of the year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9wcuHtWfX4

AbusesToilets · 03-03-2017 01:21PM

L Williams has to start, been consistently excellent, in an often terrible Welsh backline.

The twatishness of the Lions team could be at all time levels with Farrell, Williams, Hogg, Hartly and Sexton starting.

The real mccoy 91 · 03-03-2017 01:42PM

AbusesToilets wrote:

L Williams has to start, been consistently excellent, in an often terrible Welsh backline.

He did get caught out for the first try against scotland but yes am a big williams fan and would have him in my XV with daly on the other side

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