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Lions 2017 [MOD WARNING IN OP]

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  • #2972
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Erik Shin wrote: »
    Not if he harbours hopes of becoming an AB

    Eh?


  • #2973
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    Former Former wrote: »
    Eh?

    Huh?


  • #2974
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Erik Shin wrote: »
    Huh?

    Lolwut?


  • #2975
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Lolwut?

    Que?


  • #2976
    Former Former
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    Erik Shin wrote: »
    Huh?

    How would Jager playing for the Lions against the Chiefs have any impact on becoming an All Black down the line?


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  • #2977
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    D14Rugby wrote: »
    People are joking about stringer but I'd love to see him play in a midweek match, he deserves a lions cap for his career

    They are considered caps so 2 would get him to the 100 right?


  • #2978
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Wouldnt surprise me for Gats to call up a load of welsh, it would just add to people being very meh about winning


  • #2979
    Buer
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    Deleted User wrote:
    They are considered caps so 2 would get him to the 100 right?

    They ain't. Only test caps are. It would be like Ireland against the Barbarians.


  • #2980
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    Buer wrote: »
    They ain't. Only test caps are. It would be like Ireland against the Barbarians.

    Just have to stick him in the test team so. With Carbery.


  • #2981
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,049 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Buer wrote: »
    They ain't. Only test caps are. It would be like Ireland against the Barbarians.

    Just have to stick him in the test team so. With Carbery.

    Surely James Ryan is due a call up?


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  • #2982
    sydthebeat
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    bilston wrote: »
    Surely James Ryan is due a call up?

    Above lions test quality....


  • #2983
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    bilston wrote: »
    Surely James Ryan is due a call up?

    surely he's the holder of the best points per minute ratio in international rugby. Get him and stringer in that test squad now, Hanson will never see it coming.


  • #2984
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,049 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    If you're Keith Earls, who has already toured with the Lions would you want to be called up to sit on the bench against the Chiefs when you could be playing for Ireland against Japan? I know the Lions is the pinnacle but in that scenario I could see why a player would be lukewarm. I expect any additions to be Scottish or Welsh to be honest.


  • #2985
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    bilston wrote: »
    If you're Keith Earls, who has already toured with the Lions would you want to be called up to sit on the bench against the Chiefs when you could be playing for Ireland against Japan? I know the Lions is the pinnacle but in that scenario I could see why a player would be lukewarm. I expect any additions to be Scottish or Welsh to be honest.

    If its front row lads they need then I'd expect Cian Healy will be extremely interested in joining up.


  • #2986
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,998 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Any chance we can tell NZ there has been a scheduling mistake and we should really be touring South Africa this year?


  • #2987
    Former Former
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    bilston wrote: »
    If you're Keith Earls, who has already toured with the Lions would you want to be called up to sit on the bench against the Chiefs when you could be playing for Ireland against Japan? I know the Lions is the pinnacle but in that scenario I could see why a player would be lukewarm. I expect any additions to be Scottish or Welsh to be honest.

    He'd absolutely jump at it. There's four more games after the Chiefs match, a lot can happen in that time.


  • #2988
    MattD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭MattD


    If Gatland wants to make a test squad of ~ 23 players, and a midweek squad of ~23 players he needs to call up a full new front row, not exactly Wales and Scotland's highest quality areas. We could see a Gray called up if Lawes has had a bad knock.


  • #2989
    Buer
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    MattD wrote: »
    If Gatland wants to make a test squad of ~ 23 players, and a midweek squad of ~23 players he needs to call up a full new front row, not exactly Wales and Scotland's highest quality areas. We could see a Gray called up if Lawes has had a bad knock.

    He'd be happy enough to have WP Nel (who many thought would be on the tour originally before his injury), Ross Ford/Scott Baldwin and Rob Evans called up.

    He called up Court last time due to proximity despite much better options being available. It's more about convenience and not having to play those in contention for the tests than putting out a strong side for the midweek game.

    Would agree on a Gray being a potential call up. Probably Richie for familiarity given his presence on last tour.

    BBC are now reporting that Gatland is planning on calling up 5 more players. Disappointing to hear. It appears that this was always the plan. I suspect the players who will be joining already know that they're likely to join the squad. I wouldn't be surprised if they're all Welsh, either.


  • #2990
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    Just heard a Leinster back row has been told to be on standby. Not my usual source so pure rumour.


  • #2991
    dub_skav
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just heard a Leinster back row has been told to be on standby. Not my usual source so pure rumour.

    Move to the premiership already paying off for Dom Ryan :pac:


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  • #2992
    Buer
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just heard a Leinster back row has been told to be on standby. Not my usual source so pure rumour.

    There's about 50 lads on stand by though, isn't there? I'd imagine there could be two Leinster back rows on stand by if not more.


  • #2993
    Former Former
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just heard a Leinster back row has been told to be on standby. Not my usual source so pure rumour.

    And Josh van der Flier left out of this weekend's game. It all adds up.


  • #2994
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    Former Former wrote: »
    And Josh van der Flier left out of this weekend's game. It all adds up.

    That's the gist of it I gather but as I said, just a rumour.


  • #2995
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,049 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Former Former wrote: »
    bilston wrote: »
    If you're Keith Earls, who has already toured with the Lions would you want to be called up to sit on the bench against the Chiefs when you could be playing for Ireland against Japan? I know the Lions is the pinnacle but in that scenario I could see why a player would be lukewarm. I expect any additions to be Scottish or Welsh to be honest.

    He'd absolutely jump at it. There's four more games after the Chiefs match, a lot can happen in that time.

    Fair enough...I thought the Chiefs game was the one between tests...


  • #2996
    Jump_In_Jack
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    Buer wrote: »
    He'd be happy enough to have WP Nel (who many thought would be on the tour originally before his injury), Ross Ford/Scott Baldwin and Rob Evans called up.

    He called up Court last time due to proximity despite much better options being available. It's more about convenience and not having to play those in contention for the tests than putting out a strong side for the midweek game.

    Would agree on a Gray being a potential call up. Probably Richie for familiarity given his presence on last tour.

    BBC are now reporting that Gatland is planning on calling up 5 more players. Disappointing to hear. It appears that this was always the plan. I suspect the players who will be joining already know that they're likely to join the squad. I wouldn't be surprised if they're all Welsh, either.

    Rob Evans and Richie Gray?
    Weren't they both injured and didn't tour this summer?
    Would think Gatland needs 6,
    A complete front row, one 2nd row, one scrum-half, and one out-half.
    Would expect Nicky Smith, Ross Ford, WP Nell, Jonny Gray, Gareth Davies and Sam Davies.


  • #2997
    Buer
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    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    Rob Evans and Richie Gray?
    Weren't they both injured and didn't tour this summer?
    Would think Gatland needs 6,
    A complete front row, one 2nd row, one scrum-half, and one out-half.
    Would expect Nicky Smith, Ross Ford, WP Nell, Jonny Gray, Gareth Davies and Sam Davies.

    You're right. I knew about Gray but was being dense. Didn't realise about Evans.


  • #2998
    Sephiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Sephiral


    Re: Earls/other back three players; given the lack of impact by the back three so far on tour, anyone called up now might have a shot of forcing their way into test consideration by the end. Especially if there are any injuries there, which isn't exactly unthinkable.

    If a load of Welsh get called up, it will leave a seriously sour taste. I'd be okay with some Scots getting the nod, some of their centres should probably have been there anyway in retrospect.


  • #2999
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    Sephiral wrote: »
    Re: Earls/other back three players; given the lack of impact by the back three so far on tour, anyone called up now might have a shot of forcing their way into test consideration by the end. Especially if there are any injuries there, which isn't exactly unthinkable.

    If a load of Welsh get called up, it will leave a seriously sour taste. I'd be okay with some Scots getting the nod, some of their centres should probably have been there anyway in retrospect.

    Why would it leave a sour taste?


  • #3000
    Sephiral
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    Basil3 wrote: »
    Why would it leave a sour taste?

    Being a Lion is a prestigious thing for a player. Deliberately planning to call up players mid tour when your own team is touring nearby and then calling them up appears deeply unfair. It's all conjecture at this point though.


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  • #3001
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    Sephiral wrote: »
    Being a Lion is a prestigious thing for a player. Deliberately planning to call up players mid tour when your own team is touring nearby and then calling them up appears deeply unfair. It's all conjecture at this point though.

    If it's a deliberate ploy to maximise their chances in the tests, then who cares?

    After living here for 6 or 7 years now, I'm still not understanding the general dislike for Gatland and the Welsh.


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