SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - *Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393*

kilns

Back to the game.

Will Mayo push up on Cluxtons kick outs leaving a risk of being exposed if he bypasses them with his kickouts then?

Will either manager spring a surprise selection?

Can Mayo score the goals to get their noses in front if Dublin?

Will the referee have a big impact in how he referees the tackle?

Will Enda Kenny cry at the end?

TITANIUM.

There's Goals to be got if mayo can deliver good ball into AOS early. If they can isolate him against any of the Dublin full back line he'll do wreck. And they need goals because I can't see them out scoring the dubs on points.
This is a very good Dublin team but there being overated by allot of people particularly on here.
The way Mayo panicked when tipp came back into the game in the semi would worry me if I was a mayo man.
Dublins bench , particularly in the backs would worry me if I was a dub. If McCarthy gets hurt early what will they do? Whack him up on injections again and hope for the best or bring kilkenny back?
There will probably be a sending off the next day and if it's a critical dub player it could make for an interesting day.

All conventional wisdom must see Dublin winning, not by the landslide guys on here are predicting but by a very small margin. Remember they only beat a kerry team that's in transition by 2 points.

But putting all irelands back to back is allot more difficult then everybody makes out , and I think the Dubs will find this out on Sunday. Mayo have to be hungrier and this counts for allot. If they can start well, settle into the game, get the required goals and then weather the impending storm while keeping the scoreboard ticking over themselfs then they may well win the day.
The Ref could be crucial unfortunately!

But all in all I think If it's not a draw then Mayo by 2

elguapo

kilns wrote: »

Back to the game.

Will Mayo push up on Cluxtons kick outs leaving a risk of being exposed if he bypasses them with his kickouts then?

Will either manager spring a surprise selection?

Can Mayo score the goals to get their noses in front if Dublin?

Will the referee have a big impact in how he referees the tackle?

Will Enda Kenny cry at the end?

It's impossible to push up on every Dublin kickout, because Cluxton generally gets the ball back into play extremely quickly. Your best bet is after a free kick, because you have the time to get set up properly as a team. Kerry made the most of their opportunity, Mayo will have to do the same.

Enda doesn't do crying now he's got his mojo back.

Past30Now

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Dublins bench , particularly in the backs would worry me if I was a dub. If McCarthy gets hurt early what will they do? Whack him up on injections again and hope for the best or bring kilkenny back?

Just to pick up on that point, it's likely that in the event of McCarthy going off injured early, Kilkenny would slot back into the half back role. Mick Fitz has come on in most (all?) of the championship games this season, and has a very calming influence on the back line. I'd hate to lose McCarthy, but would not be terrified at the prospect of Fitz and Kilkenny lining out in defence on Sunday.

I'm looking forward to the battle between Philly and AOS, assuming they line up against one another. I've no doubt they'll tangle at some point in the game.

This thread has spent a lot of time comparing the two teams, and picking a fantasy 15 from both sides. What I haven't really heard is anything on the make up of the Mayo midfield. Do ye leave Parsons on the bench? Drop Vaughan back into defence? Parsons would be my first pick of the three obvious candidates in midfield, probably paired with SOS, but I don't watch enough of them to have a very strong opinion.

kilns

elguapo wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Back to the game.

Will Mayo push up on Cluxtons kick outs leaving a risk of being exposed if he bypasses them with his kickouts then?

Will either manager spring a surprise selection?

Can Mayo score the goals to get their noses in front if Dublin?

Will the referee have a big impact in how he referees the tackle?

Will Enda Kenny cry at the end?

It's impossible to push up on every Dublin kickout, because Cluxton generally gets the ball back into play extremely quickly. Your best bet is after a free kick, because you have the time to get set up properly as a team. Kerry made the most of their opportunity, Mayo will have to do the same.

Enda doesn't do crying now he's got his mojo back.

It is exactly what Kerry did in the first half, only after every free did they do it but that is perhaps the real difference between Dublin and the rest, Cluxton recognised this and changed his tactics and found men further out, Kerry then stopped pushing up in the second half.

Walter H Price

I think if the Dubs can do like they did with Kerry and get into an early 5 point lead , the mental fragility in that mayo team will come to the fore and we'll coast it... Mayo aren't capable of clawing a lead like that back they way Kerry did ... need to start well though otherwise it could be tight , but the lads have been here before and they come alive under pressure

Hoping for a great game , Up the Dubs

seligehgit

Past30Now wrote: »

Just to pick up on that point, it's likely that in the event of McCarthy going off injured early, Kilkenny would slot back into the half back role. Mick Fitz has come on in most (all?) of the championship games this season, and has a very calming influence on the back line. I'd hate to lose McCarthy, but would not be terrified at the prospect of Fitz and Kilkenny lining out in defence on Sunday.

I'm looking forward to the battle between Philly and AOS, assuming they line up against one another. I've no doubt they'll tangle at some point in the game.

This thread has spent a lot of time comparing the two teams, and picking a fantasy 15 from both sides. What I haven't really heard is anything on the make up of the Mayo midfield. Do ye leave Parsons on the bench? Drop Vaughan back into defence? Parsons would be my first pick of the three obvious candidates in midfield, probably paired with SOS, but I don't watch enough of them to have a very strong opinion.

What is the story with McCarthy?I've heard rumours down here that he is injured...He would be a significant loss but obviously plenty of quality on the Dublin bench.Mick Fitzsimons would be first choice on most teams in the country,I do be slightly mystified as to why he does'nt start.He never seems to put a foot wrong when he enters the fray.

Tom Parsons I believe would be most people's choice to start alongside Seamie,there seems to be some speculating he'll be held back to counter the onslaught of the Dublin bench.I think this would be folly,there was mention on TSG preview that Donal Vaughan might drop back and take Connolly.I can only see Lee Keegan taking up this task.

Blud

Walter H Price wrote: »

I think if the Dubs can do like they did with Kerry and get into an early 5 point lead , the mental fragility in that mayo team will come to the fore and we'll coast it... Mayo aren't capable of clawing a lead like that back they way Kerry did ... need to start well though otherwise it could be tight , but the lads have been here before and they come alive under pressure

Hoping for a great game , Up the Dubs

So 12 months or so after Mayo clawed the Dubs back to draw a game, and nearly win it too, you're proclaiming that we can't do it?

Short memories.

Blud

seligehgit wrote: »

What is the story with McCarthy?I've heard rumours down here that he is injured...He would be a significant loss but obviously plenty of quality on the Dublin bench.Mick Fitzsimons would be first choice on most teams in the country,I do be slightly mystified as to why he does'nt start.He never seems to put a foot wrong when he enters the fray.

Tom Parsons I believe would be most people's choice to start alongside Seamie,there seems to be some speculating he'll be held back to counter the onslaught of the Dublin bench.I think this would be folly,there was mention on TSG preview that Donal Vaughan might drop back and take Connolly.I can only see Lee Keegan taking up this task.

Well I know for a fact that McCarthy has been doing a lot of work with the strength and conditioning team in Dublin, probably still treating the injury and building up strength more than anything but it still may be a sign that he's not back to full fitness. I'd say more precautionary than anything though.

What is more interesting is that he has been joined in the last week or so at those sessions by Dean Rock. Not sure if there's an injury there, but I can't see many other reasons for him to be spending so much time with the s&c team this close to the final.

Walter H Price

Walter H Price wrote: »

I think if the Dubs can do like they did with Kerry and get into an early 5 point lead , the mental fragility in that mayo team will come to the fore and we'll coast it... Mayo aren't capable of clawing a lead like that back they way Kerry did ... need to start well though otherwise it could be tight , but the lads have been here before and they come alive under pressure

Hoping for a great game , Up the Dubs

You mean like when Dublin were 7 points up with 25 minutes left and Mayo "clawed" them back and knocked them out ??:rolleyes:

seanhynes

Happened us twice in a week against Kerry 2 years ago. Why all the digging for about leads thrown away each teams done it in the past

kilns

Blud wrote: »

Walter H Price wrote: »

I think if the Dubs can do like they did with Kerry and get into an early 5 point lead , the mental fragility in that mayo team will come to the fore and we'll coast it... Mayo aren't capable of clawing a lead like that back they way Kerry did ... need to start well though otherwise it could be tight , but the lads have been here before and they come alive under pressure

Hoping for a great game , Up the Dubs

So 12 months or so after Mayo clawed the Dubs back to draw a game, and nearly win it too, you're proclaiming that we can't do it?

Short memories.

Mayo will need goals to either claw back a lead or to even win the game. If Cluxton doesnt concede, Dublin should run out 5/6 points winners

Walter H Price

Blud wrote: »

So 12 months or so after Mayo clawed the Dubs back to draw a game, and nearly win it too, you're proclaiming that we can't do it?

Short memories.

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean like when Dublin were 7 points up with 25 minutes left and Mayo "clawed" them back and knocked them out ??:rolleyes:

Finals a different story lads , Mayo perennial Chokers if the Dubs make a solid start i can see them dominating the game

Blud

Walter H Price wrote: »

Finals a different story lads , Mayo perennial Chokers if the Dubs make a solid start i can see them dominating the game

Ah I see, you meant in finals. Tell me, what lead did Kerry claw back against Dublin in a final? Your post said Mayo can't do what Kerry did, so which final there were you talking about?

Blud

kilns wrote: »

Mayo will need goals to either claw back a lead or to even win the game. If Cluxton doesnt concede, Dublin should run out 5/6 points winners

Probably true. I reckon we will need two goals at least, it's very difficult to beat Dublin just by kicking points.

Walter H Price

Walter H Price wrote: »

Finals a different story lads , Mayo perennial Chokers if the Dubs make a solid start i can see them dominating the game

Dublin are the hottest All Ireland favorite for a long long time, If they don't win there will be only one team that has "Choked". It will be a miracle for Mayo to get within 5 or 6 points.

The Talking Bread

Walter H Price wrote: »

Finals a different story lads , Mayo perennial Chokers if the Dubs make a solid start i can see them dominating the game

The last final Mayo were in in Croke Park (coincidentally against Dublin) they fought back from 4 points down to lose by a point, just outdone by the fact Robert Hennelly made an a very bad mistake for that Brogan goal and Mayo could even have won it in end with a bit of cop on by COC and a bit of luck with that free a few yards from the Dublin goal.

That is hardly choking.

They were 4 points down and a man down in the 2014 Kerry semi final and then almost won the game in the end. The replay they lost by a goal in extra time, a game again they had to fight back in.

We all know about 2015.

Judge this Mayo team on recent merits not games 10 years ago. They have been extremely unlucky,

These are top class teams they are just falling that tiny bit short against. The "history" thing puts a tiny bit of pressure into the county but these guys have psychologists around them and the players just buy into the game in front of them.

They have a serious mentality to be able to come back the last few years from these close defeats year after year. Its a massive credit to them.

Whatever about the fact that at their best the Dubs are the better team, the perennial chokers thing is a relatively cliche notion.

Past30Now

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin are the hottest All Ireland favorite for a long long time, If they don't win there will be only one team that has "Choked". It will be a miracle for Mayo to get within 5 or 6 points.

Brilliant:cool:

Mayo choked 10 years ago to a good Kerry team. Dublin choked three weeks earlier in the semi final. That's a lifetime ago. They may have choked previously (89,96 etc) but I don't recall the detail. In the last four years they lost two semi finals after a replay, and two finals, and there's no evidence of choking in those six matches. They'd a bad start to the 2012 final, but recovered, without getting on top of Donegal. Other than that game, they were all relatively tight matches.

The truth is most football fans want to see this Mayo team win an All Ireland, so long as they don't beat their own team, me included. I hope we hammer the living daylights out of them on Sunday, have the game won after 20 minutes, and enjoy a procession of scores by all 21 Dublin players in the second half. Not likely!

Gael85

Mayo chokers term is a myth. This team have shown a lot of mental strength and courage to keep coming back for a third final 3rd final in 5 years.

Biloxi Blues

Walter H Price wrote: »

I think if the Dubs can do like they did with Kerry and get into an early 5 point lead , the mental fragility in that mayo team will come to the fore and we'll coast it... Mayo aren't capable of clawing a lead like that back they way Kerry did ... need to start well though otherwise it could be tight , but the lads have been here before and they come alive under pressure

Hoping for a great game , Up the Dubs

Laughable. You forget how Mayo came back against Dublin last year.This Mayo team have shown more mental and testicular fortitude than anyone else to come back year after year after heartbreak. A team showing mental fragility? See Dublin 2014 when they shat the course after Donegal sucker punched them and Dublin still had enough chances to win the game but fluffed chance after chance after chance - all epitomised by the most overrated, flaky sunshine boy of them all in Diarmuid Connolly. Now Connolly might make me eat my words on Sunday but seeing as his late point against Kerry was the first time he ever did anything against a top team in a tight championship game I doubt it.

The Talking Bread

Biloxi Blues wrote: »

Laughable. You forget how Mayo came back against Dublin last year.This Mayo team have shown more mental and testicular fortitude than anyone else to come back year after year after heartbreak. A team showing mental fragility? See Dublin 2014 when they shat the course after Donegal sucker punched them and Dublin still had enough chances to win the game but fluffed chance after chance after chance - all epitomised by the most overrated, flaky sunshine boy of them all in Diarmuid Connolly. Now Connolly might make me eat my words on Sunday but seeing as his late point against Kerry was the first time he ever did anything against a top team in a tight championship game I doubt it.

This should get this thread to boiling fever!! The Dubs don't like when thou doth not bow to all their players, never mind Connolly!!

Awaits.......Dubs replies!!

Disclaimer........I am staying out of this one, should be good thread entertainment though!!

Slattsy

The Talking Bread wrote: »

This should get this thread to boiling fever!! The Dubs don't like when thou doth not bow to all their players, never mind Connolly!!

Awaits.......Dubs replies!!

Disclaimer........I am staying out of this one, should be good thread entertainment though!!

I'm not biting :pac:

The Talking Bread

Slattsy wrote: »

I'm not biting :pac:

I can feel the rage in you though!! Blasphemy! How dare they !

kilns

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Biloxi Blues wrote: »

Laughable. You forget how Mayo came back against Dublin last year.This Mayo team have shown more mental and testicular fortitude than anyone else to come back year after year after heartbreak. A team showing mental fragility? See Dublin 2014 when they shat the course after Donegal sucker punched them and Dublin still had enough chances to win the game but fluffed chance after chance after chance - all epitomised by the most overrated, flaky sunshine boy of them all in Diarmuid Connolly. Now Connolly might make me eat my words on Sunday but seeing as his late point against Kerry was the first time he ever did anything against a top team in a tight championship game I doubt it.

This should get this thread to boiling fever!! The Dubs don't like when thou doth not bow to all their players, never mind Connolly!!

Awaits.......Dubs replies!!

Disclaimer........I am staying out of this one, should be good thread entertainment though!!

Dont feed the trolls

Peist2007

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Ah there was talk down here before the semi that a leinster ref would not be neutral. Ah then after the match talk about the phantom 45 that he awarded by over ruling his umpire, after remonstrations from K McManamon. Who happens to coach the kids in the school where Gough teaches.
People down here were not very happy with him anyway.

Don't forget Gough coached St. Jude's to a Feile title in 1998. What age was Kevin McManamon in 1998?

Peist2007

Walter H Price wrote: »

Mayo perennial Chokers

Tell me who Mayo have choked against in an All Ireland Final? I can only think of us throwing it away in 1996.

Cork 1989 - better team won
Meath 1996 - Mayo better in both games and left it behind
Kerry 1997 - Maurice Fitz in GOAT mode. Hard to take but better team won it
Kerry 2004 - better team won
Kerry 2006 - better team won
Donegal 2012 - better team won
Dublin 2013 - even game with the Dubs edging it. Zero chokage

Also, do you know what the word "perennial" means?

Slattsy

The better team always wins

PARlance

Connolly will be raring to go after missing out on last years replay.

The Talking Bread

kilns wrote: »

Dont feed the trolls

in fairness, maybe thats his opinion? I know its a bit hyperbolic but perhaps this is how he feels regarding the guy. To call him a troll epitomises a lot of "how dare you criticise us" attitude I have seen on these threads from Dubs fans, as if they get personally offended and need reassuring how great they are.

Top players are always privy to varied opinions in all sports and some see different aspects than others. Not saying he is right or wrong but he is hardly a troll.

But yes, for the most part I would disagree, most talented forward in the country on his day, but it will be VERY interesting how he copes with Keegan and his jostling Sunday. Big test for both.

Menoetius

The Talking Bread wrote: »

in fairness, maybe thats his opinion? I know its a bit hyperbolic but perhaps this is how he feels regarding the guy. To call him a troll epitomises a lot of "how dare you criticise us" attitude I have seen on these threads from Dubs fans, as if they get personally offended and need reassuring how great they are.

I think it's his eloquent choice of words that may annoy some more so than his opinion.

Whatever about being a troll or not, it was clearly designed to get a rise rather than make a point.

Thinking that shouldn't be taken as a need for reassurance as to how great Dublin are.