Modems/Routers compatible with VDSL in Ireland

ED E

About time we had a list I think

Preface:
OpenEir use Huawei DSLAMS(exchange modems) that implement G.Vectoring (G.993.5) which boosts VDSL2 speeds from 10 to 30%. Vectoring works by collaboration between the modem and DSLAM so modem compatibility is important and not always assured.

Known Good:

• F1000 (Zyxel VMG8324-B10A)
• F2000 (Huawei HG659b)
• Huawei HG658c
• Netgear D7000 - Thanks to Tea Drinker
• AVM FRITZ!Box 7360 - Thanks to Karsini

If anyone has any other units deployed please respond with the model and if vectoring works or not.

Thanks,
ED-E

I tried the AVM FRITZ!Box 7390 and 7490. I don't know if vectoring works but I found that the sync speed was somewhat lower than the F2000; between 90-95Mb/s on a 9dB margin whereas the F2000 gets the full 100 with a comfortable margin.

The 7490 used to lose sync very frequently but a recent firmware update resolved it.

Digiweb also issue the 7360 to their customers but I don't have much experience of it.

ED E

Karsini wrote: »

I tried the AVM FRITZ!Box 7390 and 7490. I don't know if vectoring works but I found that the sync speed was somewhat lower than the F2000; between 90-95Mb/s on a 9dB margin whereas the F2000 gets the full 100 with a comfortable margin.

The 7490 used to lose sync very frequently but a recent firmware update resolved it.

Sounds like the attainables on the F2000 were probably higher than the maximum profile which would strongly suggest no vectoring there.

Karsini wrote: »

Digiweb also issue the 7360 to their customers but I don't have much experience of it.

If they're issuing that it has to be compliant, or at least DWs firmware does. Thanks!

ED E

I can no longer edit the OP.

Known Good:

• F1000 (Zyxel VMG8324-B10A)
• F2000 (Huawei HG659b)
• Huawei HG658c
• Netgear D7000 - Thanks to Tea Drinker
• AVM FRITZ!Box 7360 - Thanks to Karsini

Steer Clear:

• AVM FRITZ!Box 7390 - Thanks to Murph [SW Vectoring]

I'm wondering now if any of the AVM routers support vectoring on Open Eir's network. I tried my 7490 on a 60/20 line and it only reached 45/18 (and the UI reports vectoring as off). The F2000 reaches 60/20. See below.

Might be best to avoid them unless you don't mind bridging your ISP-supplied CPE to it. Personally I don't; in my old apartment in Fairview I bridged the F2000 to that 7490.

murphaph

That's interesting. The 7490 is not reported as having any problems with the Vectoring Deutsche Telekom and others here. It's also strange that because the 7360 and 7490 share the same chipset AFAIK. Both of these modems are recommended as solid alternatives to the known problem child the 7390.

According to ED E's post you verified the 7360...was that with vectoring enabled?

murphaph

murphaph wrote: »

According to ED E's post you verified the 7360...was that with vectoring enabled?

I didn't verify it per se, just that Digiweb provide it here. But they got stung with a different Fritz and had to recall them.

kevin.m

I'm using the ASUS DSL-AC68U with VDSL. The modem is listed on its website as supporting G.993.5.

How do I check that the vectoring is working?

ED E

kevin.m wrote: »

I'm using the ASUS DSL-AC68U with VDSL. The modem is listed on its website as supporting G.993.5.

How do I check that the vectoring is working?

Connect an F1000/F2000/Vodafone/SkyHub and copy the line rates. Then connect the 68U and copy its rates.

If they're within 5% then vectoring is working. (If they're the same and the SNR is very different then its not).

kevin.m

It wont let me upload photos.

Router_________VF Router__ASUS DSL-AC68U
Downstream____50174 ______46007
Upstream_______15360 ____ 15358
SNR down_______11.8 _____ 8.9
SNR UP ________15.2 ______ 10.1

ED E

Ok so thats about a 53Mb line, but about a 43-44Mb line unvectored. [@ Others normalizing results to 10dB target]

The AC68U is not talking to the Huawei gear. Another example of g.vector being a standard that isnt really standard.



@Kevin: That will probably be stable. If its not you'll need to drop to 40_10. At the current delta the loss in throughput isnt too much but you are sacrificing some speed.

ED E

Updated

Known Good:

• F1000 (Zyxel VMG8324-B10A)
• F2000 (Huawei HG659b)
• Huawei HG658c
• Netgear D7000 - Thanks to Tea Drinker
• AVM FRITZ!Box 7360 - Thanks to Karsini
• ASUS DSL-AC68U B]Default: OFF[/B- Thanks to Kevin.m

Steer Clear:

• AVM FRITZ!Box 7390 - Thanks to Murph [SW Vectoring]

kevin.m

I went and did a bit of research after your post. I found the guide below. Vectoring was not enabled on the 68U. With vectoring enabled, the speed now matches the VF router but the SNR is still lower. I have not enabled the "non-standard G Vector" setting listed on the ASUS page. Why is the SNR not as high as the VF router?

https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1015709/

New results with vectoring enabled:
Down speed: 50175
Up Speed: 15358
Down SNR: 8.9
UP SNR: 12.7

ED E

Its close enough that it doesnt matter too much. The DSLAM is capping your port to the 50_15 profile(which is good) so while the HG659 could probably do 2-3Mb more based on those numbers its not significant. If the VF test was at a different time to the vectored Asus test then its liable to just be natural noise variations.

Different models use different chips which dont all perform identically (eg: aggressive motorola chips in the 2247s) but should all be quite close.



List updated to note change.

Rattlehead_ie

Out of interest lads,
Have either of the known good boxes been tested or do they do VLAN 802.1Q. I know its not really a "home modem" type feature, but Im stuck between Home modem (No VLAN) or enterprise modem (no uPNP)

ED E

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Out of interest lads,
Have either of the known good boxes been tested or do they do VLAN 802.1Q. I know its not really a "home modem" type feature, but Im stuck between Home modem (No VLAN) or enterprise modem (no uPNP)

They all have to do it on the WAN side. Afaik ASUS have it on select ports on the LAN too.

Rattlehead_ie

Yeah its the LAN side I was looking at.
If you want to add to the list
Juniper SRX series with VDSL MIC (does vectoring) although officially not support yet
Juniper SRX 110va works but no vectoring.

ED E

RE: Draytek

As asked

michaelheno wrote: »

Would this do to replace the Vodafone fiber router
DrayTek Vigor 2860ac AC1600 Triple-WAN Dual-Band ADSL2+/VDSL2 WiFi router

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Due to what I would consider bad customer support from DrayTek.co.uk, I don't think I will be buying/suggesting to others any DrayTek devices anytime soon for home or professional use.
Up and onwards

ClonNGB wrote: »

Draytek have released firmware to support vectoring on 2860

Release Note for Vigor2860 Series
Firmware Version: 3.7.4.2
Release Date: June 4, 2014
Applied Models:
Vigor2860/Vigor2860n/Vigor2860n-plus/Vigor2860Vn-plus
Vigor2860 series is a VDSL2 router with multi-subnet for secure and efficient workgroup
management. It integrates IP layer QoS, NAT session/bandwidth management to help users control
works well with large bandwidth.
New Features
 Support DSL Vectoring firmware.
 Support configuration of Vigor2820/Vigor2830/Vigor2850 transferred to Vigor2860.
 Support Fiber WAN.
 Add a menu item, Diagnostics>>DNS Cache Table.

Bog Standard User wrote: »

they do but you need the "delight" firmware versions

they are optimised for eircom lines

...

IF the draytek modem does not have delight/dray os firmware do not buy it.. it does not have vectoring support for eircom lines- ONLY BUY THE DELIGHT/DRAY OS VERSIONS

Bog is an authoritative source here.

0804

Hi not knowing much about routers but can someone tell me if its possible to load IPVanish onto a HG659b My service provider is EIR

Closov

Do any of these alternatives have parental controls? I'm using an eir F2000 and it doesn't work properly. I've tried the HG658c and it doesn't seem to have any controls. (I'm just looking to set time windows for particular devices on WiFi, not domain filtering or anything like that).

Sparko

Closov wrote: »

Do any of these alternatives have parental controls? I'm using an eir F2000 and it doesn't work properly. I've tried the HG658c and it doesn't seem to have any controls. (I'm just looking to set time windows for particular devices on WiFi, not domain filtering or anything like that).

This seems to suggest it's possible on a device by device basis, using the mac address of the device(s) you want to limit:

https://community.vodafone.ie/t5/Technical-Support/Parental-Control/td-p/190976

I haven't tried it myself but looks like it might be helpful.

Closov

Sparko wrote: »

This seems to suggest it's possible on a device by device basis, using the mac address of the device(s) you want to limit:

https://community.vodafone.ie/t5/Technical-Support/Parental-Control/td-p/190976

I haven't tried it myself but looks like it might be helpful.

Thanks Sparko, I must be blind, I'll have another go in the morning with fresher eyes!

ED E

As the mods have left broadband.... Please dont drag this thread off topic. Its purpose is what units do and don't work. Other functions? Start a new thread. Ta.


Updated

Known Good:

• F1000 (Zyxel VMG8324-B10A)
• F2000 (Huawei HG659b)
• Huawei HG658c
• Netgear D7000 - Thanks to Tea Drinker
• AVM FRITZ!Box 7360 - Thanks to Karsini
• ASUS DSL-AC68U B]Default: OFF[/B- Thanks to Kevin.m

Steer Clear:

• AVM FRITZ!Box 7390 - Thanks to Murph [SW Vectoring] (Corroborated by Deagol)

I can confirm that the Fritz 7490 now supports vectoring correctly with the current 06.83 firmware. The screenshots show a full sync on a 50/20 line. Previously, the stats would show G.Vector as off.

ED E

Nice.

Are huawei buying broadcom chips or is that a misdetection I wonder.

ED E

ED E wrote: »

Nice.

Are huawei buying broadcom chips or is that a misdetection I wonder.

I'm not sure. I remember seeing Alcatel there with some very old Eircom ADSL DSLAMs but have only ever seen Broadcom since.

A quick Google showed a Danish telco testing G.FAST with Huawei gear with Broadcom chipsets. So I guess it's plausible.

Rattlehead_ie

Anyone here using the Assu AC68U, is there a way to check the VDSL stats, sync, noise etc? I cant seem to find it anywhere.
EDIT: Ignore or delete. Just found its a hidden URL.

Packet

ED E wrote: »

Are huawei buying broadcom chips or is that a misdetection I wonder.

Huawei uses the broadcom chips in both the DSLAM equipment in the cabs, exchanges and in the HG659b (& other HG65x) modems.

glanmiredj

Hello , Just got my DSL AC68U to work with Eir Broadband but am now stuck trying to get the STB (e vision) to work.
I have selected the IPTV LAN port , enabled Multicast (IMGP) but I have a connection error on the tv.
Has anyone got any settings I can try or any other advice to get this working.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Packet

glanmiredj wrote: »

am now stuck trying to get the STB (e vision) to work.

Do you have IGMP proxy enabled in the router?

glanmiredj

Yes got it working thanks . Using these settings
Use DHCP routes - RFHC & MICROSOFT
Enable multicast routing (IGMP Proxy) - ENABLED
Enable efficient multicast forwarding (IGMP Snooping) - ENABLED
UDP Proxy (Udpxy) - 0

mdfire

hi, my eir f2000 modem packed in tonight.. the lan connection between it and the white box on the wall seems to have failed. They are sending me a new one but i wont have it til Monday earliest. Question is, i have a draytek vigor 2850, will this work?

ED E

Anything will work if you have an ONT (white box on wall) in which case this is the wrong thread. If the white box is an NTU (phone socket) then its NOT a LAN connection you need.....

Update: Going to correct thread.

mdfire

no its not a phone box...i have fibre to the home.. and there are two white boxes on wall. there is a thin cabke connecting these and an ethernet cable from the larger one into the f2000 wan socket

edit.. the white box is a Huawei GPON terminal

Cork981

Anyone have the TP-LINK TD-W9970 working with vdsl2 and vectoring ?

Thinking about trying this and testing LEDE on it assuming vectoring will work with none stock firmware

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5728882/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7COffice%2C+PCs+and+phones%7C14418968/c_2/3%7C50000560%7CNetworking%7C50000563/c_3/4%7Ccat_50000563%7CRouters%7C50000590.htm

The website shows support for the following standards.

VDSL2 Standards
ITU-T G.993.2
ITU-T G.993.5 (G.vector)
ITU-T G.998.4 (G.INP）

http://www.tp-link.com.au/products/details/cat-15_TD-W9970.html

ED E

If you're on the slower side of the scale it might be worth it but if you sync at 70+ then the loss of 5Ghz makes it a crap buy.

Cork981

ED E wrote: »

If you're on the slower side of the scale it might be worth it but if you sync at 70+ then the loss of 5Ghz makes it a crap buy.

I only have a h658c from Vodafone which doesn’t offer 5ghz anyway.

Currently I’m using an unlocked f1000 (firmware version 16) which gives much better throughout than the h658c.

I’m using an Apple airport for my 5ghz needs which is solid.

Max I get is 70/20 which is dynamically rate adjusted to around 58/20 during peak hours.

ED E

Cork981 wrote: »

Max I get is 70/20 which is dynamically rate adjusted to around 58/20 during peak hours.

We dont do DLM, so if its dropping you're really over provisioned.

Cork981

ED E wrote: »

We dont do DLM, so if its dropping you're really over provisioned.

I’m fairly certain my line dynamically adjust from 70 down to 58 without a resync.

Let me verify that tonight.

ED E

Yeah, its Rate Adaptive profiling (you dont have IPTV from your provider) but a significantly varying sync regularly precedes instability.

Cork981

ED E wrote: »

Yeah, its Rate Adaptive profiling (you dont have IPTV from your provider) but a significantly varying sync regularly precedes instability.

Ah ok, makes sense.

My rate has dropped from 70.567 Mbps at 5pm to 69.225 Mbps at 8.30pm - this is with an unlocked f1000

The Vodafone hg658c drops much lower to just below 60 Mbps.

rabii

Hi Folks,

I have F2000 and I want to use it instead of the crap Vodafone modem,
What do I need to edit? I tried with F1000 of a friend of mine and it works fine without a problem, but the settings in the F2000 are different,
can you advise, please? is vodafone@vodafone.ie pw:broadband vlan:10 is enough or should I edit something

Calebmcd

Pretty sure they are the same modem?

I bought the Asus dsl ac88u to replace the D7000 from Netgear. It works but I found the Netgear better so i'm returning it.
I get 100/20 and Max 135/26

ED E

rabii wrote: »

Hi Folks,

I have F2000 and I want to use it instead of the crap Vodafone modem,
What do I need to edit? I tried with F1000 of a friend of mine and it works fine without a problem, but the settings in the F2000 are different,
can you advise, please? is vodafone@vodafone.ie pw:broadband vlan:10 is enough or should I edit something

The F2000 = HG659. Vodafone ship both 659 and 658. If you have an 8, get a free upgrade from VF. If you have a 9 changing is pointless.

MFenix

Calebmcd wrote: »

Pretty sure they are the same modem?

I bought the Asus dsl ac88u to replace the D7000 from Netgear. It works but I found the Netgear better so i'm returning it.
I get 100/20 and Max 135/26

^^ Thanks for this info. Out of interest, did you choose the D7000 because you got better broadband speeds than the ac88u, or just because you preferred it in general?

Marlow

Got one of these from Germany:
https://www.mikrotik-shop.de/Interfaces/SFP/Kupfer/SFP-VDSL2-Modem-Telco::2192.html

It doesn't give me any DSL stats, but the advantage is I can run it on Baby Jumbos and my provider supports that. That way, my PPPoE session connects with a MTU of 1500. It does support vectoring.

My Fritz!Box 7560 is connecting at 100/20. SNR Receive 15dB/Send 10dB. Line attenuation 12 dB both ways.

Then stuck the VDSL SFP into a Mikrotik router and Speedtest reveals, I'm not doing too bad at all:


This is with traffic already on the line, so it's pretty much 100/20.

/M

A friend picked up on of those SFP's in Australia, like yourself using it on a Mikrotik on a Vodafone VDSL2 and working out very well for him. Nice to have just one unit at play.

ED E

mr_alli wrote: »

Hi everyone, I have a fritz box 7390 for almost a year now but I was using it as a second router as I didnt know how to setup the router on Eir and didnt have time but now Im with Vodafone and have the time to play around to set it as my main router, but my as i see its not that easy as plug and play. Now I dont know what setting do I have to change to make it work on Vodafone would someone be able to somewhat help me out?
Thank

Start your own thread. This is specifically for listing working/non working.

DUBLINHITMAN

ED E wrote: »

The F2000 = HG659. Vodafone ship both 659 and 658. If you have an 8, get a free upgrade from VF. If you have a 9 changing is pointless.

I have a 659 and the wifi is so bad atm,
Is it really pointless trying a different router.
My wired connection seems solid but even if I leave the room the wifi is trash.
This is the second 659 they have sent out.
At the start of the contract wifi was solid but has just gotten worse recently.

ED E

DUBLINHITMAN wrote: »

Is it really pointless trying a different router.

Its pointless to try an F2000, its not pointless to buy something decent off the shelf.

jca

ED E wrote: »

Its pointless to try an F2000, its not pointless to buy something decent off the shelf.

Can the voda modem be bridged and a decent router used instead?