Ironman Road Closures, forcing M50 Toll usage 14th August

Seve OB

not sure if this it the correct place to post this but....

I live near Castleknock hotel and most of the time when heading southbound I access the M50 through Chapelizod. It takes no more than a few minutes more when it is not rush hour. I was just sick of the tolls building up costing me a fortune.

I am heading to Carton House next Sunday (normally a handy short spin for me around the back roads) but I see the Ironman is coming to town again this weekend with road closures galore. It appears to me the only way across the Liffey is to use the M50 toll road. I don't mind (well I do mind them, but I can get over it) the road closures and diversions, but I don't appreciate being held to ransom and forced into using a toll road.

Will there be free usage of the M50 toll road during the road closures. I seriously doubt it.

P_1

Nevermind having to use the toll, isn't the only way to cross the Liffey when it's on going to be taking a DART?

Seve OB

P_1 wrote: »

Nevermind having to use the toll, isn't the only way to cross the Liffey when it's on going to be taking a DART?

thanks for your input :rolleyes:

ThisRegard

Can you follow the Yellow Road on the left of the map on pages 2 and 3 http://www.ironman.com/~/media/b66f26d24e184a9c91665a7cc8a07a12/imdub%20resident%20leaflet%20%20%20west%202016%20final%20email.pdf

Brings you via Kilcock and straight to Carton. The extent of the road closures are pretty ridiculous to anyone living around part of the city that's affected.

Dravokivich

Seve OB wrote: »

thanks for your input :rolleyes:

It's actually a good point he made. i was initially thinking you could go through Lucan handy enough, or even drive around Leixlip, which'd generally be handier than going through Chapelizod. But after seeing all those roads where being used too. It's of much greater impact to everyone else that the only way for anyone to get around Dublin, will be via the M50.

...instead of you know, you worrying about having to pay a toll.

This is the first I've seen word of it. Has there been much promotion out and about to tell other people of this?

cruizer101

From the PDF:
"07.00 – 10.15
During this time there will be no Vehicle access across the Liffey in Dublin City Centre. Please use the M50 as the alternative route for crossing the city during this time."

That's taking the fcuking piss, I understand it is good to have events like this and certain road closures are necessary but to not be able to cross the Liffey at all bar the M50 is a joke.

Again first I've heard of this and just by chance, should have been far better advertised. Going to be a feckin nightmare on sunday morning.

Seve OB

ThisRegard wrote: »

Can you follow the Yellow Road on the left of the map on pages 2 and 3 http://www.ironman.com/~/media/b66f26d24e184a9c91665a7cc8a07a12/imdub%20resident%20leaflet%20%20%20west%202016%20final%20email.pdf

Brings you via Kilcock and straight to Carton. The extent of the road closures are pretty ridiculous to anyone living around part of the city that's affected.

possibly, but that is a ridiculous detour

Carawaystick

cruizer101 wrote: »

From the PDF:
"07.00 – 10.15
During this time there will be no Vehicle access across the Liffey in Dublin City Centre. Please use the M50 as the alternative route for crossing the city during this time."

That's taking the fcuking piss, I understand it is good to have events like this and certain road closures are necessary but to not be able to cross the Liffey at all bar the M50 is a joke.

Again first I've heard of this and just by chance, should have been far better advertised. Going to be a feckin nightmare on sunday morning.

The M50 is no substitute for people cycling.
Its a joke.

Seve OB

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's actually a good point he made. i was initially thinking you could go through Lucan handy enough, or even drive around Leixlip, which'd generally be handier than going through Chapelizod. But after seeing all those roads where being used too. It's of much greater impact to everyone else that the only way for anyone to get around Dublin, will be via the M50.

...instead of you know, you worrying about having to pay a toll.

This is the first I've seen word of it. Has there been much promotion out and about to tell other people of this?

its a stupid point. How does he expect me to get a DART from Castleknock across the Liffey to Carton House.

Regarding promotion of the event, first I heard of it was an email from Carton earlier on this morning. And I live right beside a main road that will be shut down.:rolleyes:

stecleary

Seve OB wrote: »

its a stupid point. How does he expect me to get a DART from Castleknock across the Liffey to Carton House.

Regarding promotion of the event, first I heard of it was an email from Carton earlier on this morning. And I live right beside a main road that will be shut down.:rolleyes:

oh so its only your problem? :rolleyes:

Del2005

cruizer101 wrote: »

From the PDF:
"07.00 – 10.15
During this time there will be no Vehicle access across the Liffey in Dublin City Centre. Please use the M50 as the alternative route for crossing the city during this time."

That's taking the fcuking piss, I understand it is good to have events like this and certain road closures are necessary but to not be able to cross the Liffey at all bar the M50 is a joke.

Again first I've heard of this and just by chance, should have been far better advertised. Going to be a feckin nightmare on sunday morning.

So they want to force Learners to use a road they aren't liceneced to use, who would be responsible for any crashes that are caused by people being forced to use a road they can't legally be on?

AlanG

Seems amazing that the Castleknock hotel, Porterstown sports grounds, church and Castleknock GAA club will be inaccessible for large parts of a Sunday morning. There is no indication of access arrangements.

Seve OB

stecleary wrote: »

oh so its only your problem? :rolleyes:

when did I say that :rolleyes: ffs, some people on here.....

its loads of peoples problems. that's why I brought it up. obviously it causes a problem for me and some dope told me to get the DART!!!!:rolleyes:

Seve OB

AlanG wrote: »

Seems amazing that the Castleknock hotel, Porterstown sports grounds, church and Castleknock GAA club will be inaccessible for large parts of a Sunday morning. There is no indication of access arrangements.

yes it does. I'll be at the Hotel/Golf club this evening, so will be on the lookout for any information around the place regarding the closure

stecleary

Seve OB wrote: »

when did I say that :rolleyes: ffs, some people on here.....

its loads of peoples problems. that's why I brought it up. obviously it causes a problem for me and some dope told me to get the DART!!!!:rolleyes:

I agree some people on here!:rolleyes:
you were never told to take he dart, he pointed out the only way across the liffy other than the M50 is the dart!

endagibson

Del2005 wrote: »

So they want to force Learners to use a road they aren't liceneced to use, who would be responsible for any crashes that are caused by people being forced to use a road they can't legally be on?

No. If you can't legally use a particular road, then you still can't legally use a particular road.

LXFlyer

Seve OB wrote: »

when did I say that :rolleyes: ffs, some people on here.....

its loads of peoples problems. that's why I brought it up. obviously it causes a problem for me and some dope told me to get the DART!!!!:rolleyes:

They didn't tell you to take the DART - they're highlighting another issue, that for thousands of other people there will be no way of crossing the Liffey other than using the DART.

To be fair the Marathon causes serious issues across south Dublin every October Bank Holiday - I'll accept it doesn't force people to use a tolled road, but it causes massive disruption.

Spanish Eyes

This is just a tad too much IMO.

Is it really true that buses and cars will not be able to cross the Liffey over ANY bridge in the city during the time mentioned?

I'm probably being over dramatic here, but how can cross city buses go via M50 FGS.

Perhaps I am missing something vital in my horror lol.

LXFlyer

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This is just a tad too much IMO.

Is it really true that buses and cars will not be able to cross the Liffey over ANY bridge in the city during the time mentioned?

I'm probably being over dramatic here, but how can cross city buses go via M50 FGS.

Perhaps I am missing something vital in my horror lol.

You are. They're not going cross-city until after 10:00.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Dublin-Ironman-Diversions/

Spanish Eyes

lxflyer wrote: »

You are. They're not going cross-city until after 10:00.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Dublin-Ironman-Diversions/

OK, thanks.

Still a big disruption nonetheless. Not everyone stays in the leaba forever on a Sunday morning!

markjbloggs

A few questions :-

1. Who authorised this?
2. Why is there no publicity indicating the closure of cross-city traffic?
3. What was the cause of last Saturdays closure - I had a friend come into Dublin Airport on Sat evening to be told there were no buses running cross the city. He had to wait 3 hours to get to Terenure - again no warning,

thanks

07Lapierre

It's a triathlon!

Run to the Liffey, swim across, cycle to Carton House!

Seriously, these events usually allow a certain amount of "local Access". So I imagine some provision has been allowed for access to local hotels, houses and businesses along the route.

Spanish Eyes

markjbloggs wrote: »

A few questions :-

1. Who authorised this?
2. Why is there no publicity indicating the closure of cross-city traffic?
3. What was the cause of last Saturdays closure - I had a friend come into Dublin Airport on Sat evening to be told there were no buses running cross the city. He had to wait 3 hours to get to Terenure - again no warning,

thanks

I can't answer your questions, but I am stunned that there is very little advance publicity about this.

Might be Dublin City Council in conjunction with NTA for the Ironman. But I sure dunno.

ThisRegard

Seve OB wrote: »

possibly, but that is a ridiculous detour

Well just take M50 and be there in no time.

endagibson

markjbloggs wrote: »

1. Who authorised this?

The same as any other road closure for events for public works I expect; the responsible council.

ted1

cruizer101 wrote: »

From the PDF:
"07.00 – 10.15
During this time there will be no Vehicle access across the Liffey in Dublin City Centre. Please use the M50 as the alternative route for crossing the city during this time."

That's taking the fcuking piss, I understand it is good to have events like this and certain road closures are necessary but to not be able to cross the Liffey at all bar the M50 is a joke.

Again first I've heard of this and just by chance, should have been far better advertised. Going to be a feckin nightmare on sunday morning.

It's a completely commercial event with entries costing 250 euro , love to know how much the council are getting

Seve OB

No signs up anywhere between Lucan and Castleknock hotel or anywhere around Castleknock, Porterstown or Luttrelstown about any road closures. Nothing in the golf club or any knowledge of how access will be on Sunday. Anyone I spoke with, was not aware of any disruption.

Bad form all around. I remember last year, there was a bit of information around the place beforehand, but so far this year, it seems you have to know all about it yourself.

Spanish Eyes

Seve OB wrote: »

No signs up anywhere between Lucan and Castleknock hotel or anywhere around Castleknock, Porterstown or Luttrelstown about any road closures. Nothing in the golf club or any knowledge of how access will be on Sunday. Anyone I spoke with, was not aware of any disruption.

Bad form all around. I remember last year, there was a bit of information around the place beforehand, but so far this year, it seems you have to know all about it yourself.

But come on.... Ironman is the boss. The little people on the route are nothing.

Close the roads, close the bridges, but sure we don't need to tell anyone at all.

endagibson

They might be waiting until closer to the event to put up the signs. Over recent years there has been a certain element taking down signs for various events.

tnegun

Signs are up around Maynooth for the last 4 or 5 days and a large flashing sign went up today informing of road closures and the diversion route on the Moyglare road.

StreetLight

Signs have been up all along the Chapelizod Road for the past week.

Roadhawk

These events along with marathons, cycle race and others causing road closures should be held in counties with less traffic and away from the cities like Dublin, Galway and Cork. There are so many lakes in the midlands around Leitrim, Roscommon and Longford that would be as suitable and more convenient for the greater public. Closing down main roads around Dublin, Meath and Kildare is complete inconsiderate especially during a weekend in the summer months. Holding these types on events in the midlands would also be good for the local business like B&Bs, shops, etc.

07Lapierre

Roadhawk wrote: »

These events along with marathons, cycle race and others causing road closures should be held in counties with less traffic and away from the cities like Dublin, Galway and Cork. There are so many lakes in the midlands around Leitrim, Roscommon and Longford that would be as suitable and more convenient for the greater public. Closing down main roads around Dublin, Meath and Kildare is complete inconsiderate especially during a weekend in the summer months. Holding these types on events in the midlands would also be good for the local business like B&Bs, shops, etc.

Sure just ban all Mass participation events altogether..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057619017

God forbid someone somewhere is inconvenienced in some way we cant have that! Its ONE day. (a Sunday Morning at that)

cython

07Lapierre wrote: »

Sure just ban all Mass participation events altogether..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057619017

God forbid someone somewhere is inconvenienced in some way we cant have that! Its ONE day. (a Sunday Morning at that)

But what about all the people who need to drive across the Liffey to get to Mass?! Oh, wait never mind!

28064212

07Lapierre wrote: »

God forbid someone somewhere is inconvenienced in some way we cant have that! Its ONE day. (a Sunday Morning at that)

It's not even one day, it's 2 hours and 45 minutes. And it's likely they will be using rolling closures i.e. roads at the start of the course will start opening as the last competitor goes through. There was a half-marathon and 10K on Sunday last, right through the city centre along the Liffey, with road closures between 8:30 and 12:30. Did anyone even notice? Ever been up early in Dublin on a Sunday morning? It's absolutely dead.

Btw, mass participation events like the Dublin marathon bring huge economic benefits. DCM 2015 was estimated to be worth €10 million to the city. It's likely to be even more this year due to it being moved to a much more tourist-friendly Sunday, instead of Monday. If you seriously think DCC would let that cash-cow go to somewhere like Longford due to a couple of hours of road closures, you're incredibly naive

07Lapierre

28064212 wrote: »

It's not even one day, it's 2 hours and 45 minutes. And it's likely they will be using rolling closures i.e. roads at the start of the course will start opening as the last competitor goes through. There was a half-marathon and 10K on Sunday last, right through the city centre along the Liffey, with road closures between 8:30 and 12:30. Did anyone even notice? Ever been up early in Dublin on a Sunday morning? It's absolutely dead.

Btw, mass participation events like the Dublin marathon bring huge economic benefits. DCM 2015 was estimated to be worth €10 million to the city. It's likely to be even more this year due to it being moved to a much more tourist-friendly Sunday, instead of Monday. If you seriously think DCC would let that cash-cow go to somewhere like Longford due to a couple of hours of road closures, you're incredibly naive

Agree completely! I was answering @roadhawk who thinks these type of events should be held elsewhere. I've no problem with these type of events being held in cities.

Roadhawk

07Lapierre wrote: »

Sure just ban all Mass participation events altogether..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057619017

God forbid someone somewhere is inconvenienced in some way we cant have that! Its ONE day. (a Sunday Morning at that)

My previous post pictured nothing of the sort. If you decided to take my post out of context that is your own perception. I think these mass event are brilliant for sporting and fitness communities and would never suggest that these be banned. I merely proposed that they be held in a more central location. In doing this it allow participants a shorter commute if traveling from certain parts of the country and boosts spending in local businesses. It also make sense to close roads that have much less traffic on them instead of closing main arterial routes which would cause mass inconvenience.

For most living in a city, Saturdays and Sundays are sacred days for actually getting to experience certain amenities in the area. Having road closures around a city just limits people from traveling and causes frustration regardless of how many signs are put up.

07Lapierre

Roadhawk wrote: »

My previous post pictured nothing of the sort. If you decided to take my post out of context that is your own perception. I think these mass event are brilliant for sporting and fitness communities and would never suggest that these be banned. I merely proposed that they be held in a more central location. In doing this it allow participants a shorter commute if traveling from certain parts of the country and boosts spending in local businesses. It also make sense to close roads that have much less traffic on them instead of closing main arterial routes which would cause mass inconvenience.

For most living in a city, Saturdays and Sundays are sacred days for actually getting to experience certain amenities in the area. Having road closures around a city just limits people from traveling and causes frustration regardless of how many signs are put up.

Better location For who?
Anyone inconvenienced by this Ironman event can simply avail of the Amenities on Saturday morning, Afternoon, evening Or Sunday afternoon, evening.

Your making this out to be a much bigger inconvenience then it actually is.

aliveandkicking

Just to point out that this Ironman event happened last year too through the same routes and passed off without complaint. The closures are only rolling closures while the particicpants are actually at that point in the race.

Seve OB

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Just to point out that this Ironman event happened last year too through the same routes and passed off without complaint. The closures are only rolling closures while the particicpants are actually at that point in the race.

not so sure about that.

all indications are all roads closing from 7am, but from what I see, they only start the swim around that time

aliveandkicking

Seve OB wrote: »

not so sure about that.

all indications are all roads closing from 7am, but from what I see, they only start the swim around that time

Well that's what happened last year, don't see why it would be any different this year. Last year the Liffey bridges were closed for less than 30 minutes as the racers passed up the quays.

07Lapierre

It's easier to print posters / signs like this:
Option 1:

"Road closed 7am - 10am Sunday 14th"

Than this:
Option 2:

" Rolling road closures will operatae on this road from 7am to 10am on Sunday August 14th. During this time delays to traffic can be expected but local access will be maintained"

While Option 2 may be more accurate, they would be harder to read (more expensive to print) than option 1. But both get a similar message across.

magicbastarder

i know someone with a house in rosscarberry in cork. at least once a year, the road outside the house is closed completely for several hours to allow a rally to take place, and there's no temporary lifting of the closure given the nature of the event.

in the above, they probably cannot give specific times as they cannot guarantee when the athletes will be passing particular points; but at least with the ironman, there are fewer athletes than would take part than in the marathon, and more tightly grouped, i'd guess, as the range of ability is narrower in the ironman (i.e. you're going to expect that they're all extremely fit).

P_1

07Lapierre wrote: »

Better location For who?
Anyone inconvenienced by this Ironman event can simply avail of the Amenities on Saturday morning, Afternoon, evening Or Sunday afternoon, evening.

Your making this out to be a much bigger inconvenience then it actually is.

And for those who need to cross the river to get to work?

07Lapierre

P_1 wrote: »

And for those who need to cross the river to get to work?

There going to be late...unless they heed the warning signs and leave earlier or take the M50? Maybe they've taken the day off to do a triathlon? who knows?

Light Olive

As a member of a residents association in Castleknock, we received no notice of this event. There seems to be an official policy of keeping these events, concerts, etc, under the radar.
The latest scam is ROLLING road closures, so no one knows exactly when their particular area is being closed off. This minority event was especially disruptive to local residents last year.

ThisRegard

Light Olive wrote: »

We probably need a few fatalities, like the Mafia House concert in the Phoenix Park, before local residents views are taken on board.

If you used this in any correspondence with the council or organisers you probably won't get taken too seriously.

28064212

ThisRegard wrote: »

If you used this in any correspondence with the council or organisers you probably won't get taken too seriously.

Or on Boards...

ted1

Light Olive wrote: »

As secretary of a residents association in Castleknock, we received no notice of this event. There seems to be an official policy of keeping these events, concerts, etc, under the radar.
The latest scam is ROLLING road closures, so no one knows exactly when their particular area is being closed off. This minority event was especially disruptive to local residents last year. We probably need a few fatalities, like the Mafia House concert in the Phoenix Park, before local residents views are taken on board.

No all plannibg permission for concerts are published in national papers and are available to view online.


Rolling road closures are far from a scam. The athletes are covering 70.3 miles , they can only be in one place at time so they close the section that they are on and open the rest of the course

Light Olive

Point taken!
The commercial lobby seem to have a much greater influence on local authorities than local residents. I am aware of the organiser of a very large women`s event who employs a professional blogger to monitor social media, forums, and boards, before and immediately after the event. Their purpose is to respond to and counter any negative comments, or publicity attaching to the event. This is modern day media management, it is important that the public are made aware of this. Tweets, posts, comments, blogs, petitions, and surveys, can be easily influenced by professional spin doctors.

LXFlyer

Light Olive wrote: »

As secretary of a residents association in Castleknock, we received no notice of this event. There seems to be an official policy of keeping these events, concerts, etc, under the radar.
The latest scam is ROLLING road closures, so no one knows exactly when their particular area is being closed off. This minority event was especially disruptive to local residents last year. We probably need a few fatalities, like the Mafia House concert in the Phoenix Park, before local residents views are taken on board.

Did you contact the councils, councillors, gardai, organisers etc with your concerns and what responses did you get after last year's event?

The Gardai regularly implement rolling street closures for marches/events in town (they ultimately decide on how to manage them), for the simple reason that producing fixed times in advance is asking the impossible.