Irish martial arts body opposes recognition of MMA

The flying mouse

Hope this thread can be left here...

Documents obtained by RTÉ News show strong opposition to proposals to formally recognise, regulate, and fund Mixed Martial Arts fighting.

The Irish Martial Arts Commission, which has been asked to consider taking MMA under its umbrella, wrote to the International Olympic Committee in April of this year saying that MMA, in its current form, is not a sport, and like dog fighting did not deserve to be legitimised.

It said it agreed with reports describing MMA as "pornographic, sadistic and voyeuristic to its core".

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0808/807658-mma/

Well folks what do you think ,Is it a sport or should it be banned,

I don't think it should be banned, maybe more regulated, if its banned sure it will just thrive underground.

tomwaterford

Why don't they set up their own body/organisation??

mansize

Why is this in after hours? Let's stick every thread in AH and close the rest!!!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I've always felt that traditional Martial Arts is as much about spiritual and personal development as it is about physical competition, whereas MMA is purely about physcial comabat, so in that respect I can understand their stance not to accept it.

That said, they have no right to say it should be banned.

mansize

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I've always felt that traditional Martial Arts is as much about spiritual and personal development as it is about physical competition, whereas MMA is purely about physcial comabat, so in that respect I can understand their stance not to accept it.

That said, they have no right to say it should be banned.

They are entitled to voice their opinion and concerns tbf- especially as they were asked to regulate it

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mansize wrote: »

They are entitled to voice their opinion and concerns tbf- especially as they were asked to regulate it

Totally - as I said, and they had every right to decline the assignmnet.

But banned because they say so..?

mansize

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Totally - as I said, and they had every right to decline the assignmnet.

But banned because they say so..?

If they believe it should be, and they give salient reasons why it should, why shouldn't they be allowed proffer that opinion?

Wibbs

mansize wrote: »

Why is this in after hours?!

Because anywhere else it would likely die on the vine or have two posters and a stray cat.

tomwaterford wrote:

Why don't they set up their own body/organisation??

Exactly. Though I suspect they're trying to legitimise their sport by attaching it to existing organisations of long standing.

mansize

Wibbs wrote: »

Because anywhere else it would likely die on the vine or have two posters and a stray cat.

Exactly. Though I suspect they're trying to legitimise their sport by attaching it to existing organisations of long standing.

Like when they changed the name from cage fighting to MMA

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/Did-LA-reporter-coin-the-term-Mixed-Martial-Arts

Wibbs

TBH for me anyway, I have no objection if two men(or women) choose to bate seven shades of excreta out of each other and others choose to pay to see it. Trying to polish it into something more "noble", mainly so you can get the mainstream big bucks sponsorship in the door and I think "eh no".

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That said, they have no right to say it should be banned.

mansize wrote: »

They are entitled to voice their opinion and concerns tbf- especially as they were asked to regulate it

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Totally - as I said, and they had every right to decline the assignmnet.

As is clear above you specifically denied they had a right to voice their opinion.

Your Face

The clue is in the name - Martial.
There's a chance of unpleasantness.

TSMGUY

If this means I see less of that arrogant **** Conor Mcdickhead, it can only be a good thing. MMA really bastardizes all of the core principles of martial arts like discipline, self-defense and mutual respect. MMA has become a garish blood-sport for morons. Don't blame them.

Maguined

TSMGUY wrote: »

If this means I see less of that arrogant **** Conor Mcdickhead, it can only be a good thing. MMA really bastardizes all of the core principles of martial arts like discipline, self-defense and mutual respect. MMA has become a garish blood-sport for morons. Don't blame them.

How so? Most of the people that I have met that have trained in MMA have shown the above attributes. In fact the mutual respect aspect I have experienced far more from the MMA community than anywhere else I have personally experienced.

smash

If the Irish Martial Arts Commission wants to draw a line between itself and MMA then the rest of us should probably do the same, no matter where you stand on the subject. MMA is marmite so best to just leave it be.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Well done to this organisation for dishing out the truth. This UFC nonsense is nothing more than base violence which is slickly marketed to angry young men.

Dave0301

TSMGUY wrote: »

If this means I see less of that arrogant **** Conor Mcdickhead, it can only be a good thing. MMA really bastardizes all of the core principles of martial arts like discipline, self-defense and mutual respect. MMA has become a garish blood-sport for morons. Don't blame them.

Professional MMA fighters lack discipline? Reaching the pinnacle of a sport would beg to differ.

Do you feel the same about boxing?

zuutroy

Maguined wrote: »

How so? Most of the people that I have met that have trained in MMA have shown the above attributes. In fact the mutual respect aspect I have experienced far more from the MMA community than anywhere else I have personally experienced.

Shhh....facts and actual experience of the subject have no place in this discussion.

Ush1

I'll just say there is a lot of fruitcakes involved in traditional martial arts, a lot of death touch type nonsense which MMA exposes in a very explicit manner.

TSMGUY

Maguined wrote: »

How so? Most of the people that I have met that have trained in MMA have shown the above attributes. In fact the mutual respect aspect I have experienced far more from the MMA community than anywhere else I have personally experienced.

Everyone I personally know who trains in MMA swaggers around threatening people and bragging about how much they can **** you up with just their elbow whilst pounding their tapout t-shirt covered chest.....

mansize

zuutroy wrote: »

Shhh....facts and actual experience of the subject have no place in this discussion.

Eh that's anecdotal evidence not facts

daRobot

TSMGUY wrote: »

Everyone I personally know who trains in MMA swaggers around threatening people and bragging about how much they can **** you up with just their elbow whilst pounding their tapout t-shirt covered chest.....

That sounds like a creation of your own mind to be honest.

zuutroy

mansize wrote: »

Eh that's anecdotal evidence not facts

Yeah just warning him not to bring facts into it.

TSMGUY

daRobot wrote: »

That sounds like a creation of your own mind to be honest.

Or the culmination of literally every experience I've had with MMA sorts. I used to box for recreation and I had no issues with those lads. Every MMA guy I've ever met has been a brain-dead scumbag.

Cuddlesworth

TSMGUY wrote: »

Or the culmination of literally every experience I've had with MMA sorts. I used to box for recreation and I had no issues with those lads. Every MMA guy I've ever met has been a brain-dead scumbag.

Been in and out of MMA in Ireland for a decade. Never encountered a single overtly aggressive asshole in all that time.

TSMGUY

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Been in and out of MMA in Ireland for a decade. Never encountered a single overtly aggressive asshole in all that time.

Well, that's good for you. I've had a different experience.

Sofiztikated

TSMGUY wrote: »

Well, that's good for you. I've had a different experience.

If everyone you meet is an asshole, then maybe it's not everyone that has the problem.

smash

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Been in and out of MMA in Ireland for a decade. Never encountered a single overtly aggressive asshole in all that time.

I don't believe that for 1 second. Not because it's MMA, but because of human nature. Even in Soccer or Rugby or literally any sport at all, if you've been involved in it for over a decade you'll encounter a plethora overly aggressive assholes.

riffmongous

Sounds to me like the IMAC is feeling pretty threatened by the huge increase in popularity of MMA of Ireland

Maguined

TSMGUY wrote: »

Everyone I personally know who trains in MMA swaggers around threatening people and bragging about how much they can **** you up with just their elbow whilst pounding their tapout t-shirt covered chest.....

Most of the people I have seen wear Tapout have never trained in MMA and were thugs before MMA became popular and remained thugs but now with Tapout tshirts.

It was the same before MMA became popular. Most of the people who were bragging they could knock you out by one karate kick to the head never actually trained in Karate but just watched a few movies.

I bet if you went to an MMA gym and trained with them your opinion would change.

smash

riffmongous wrote: »

Sounds to me like the IMAC is feeling pretty threatened by the huge increase in popularity of MMA of Ireland

Nonsense. They just don't want an association with it.

riffmongous

smash wrote: »

Nonsense. They just don't want an association with it.

Look at the language they used, classic defensive posture. They are insulting everyone who partakes and is a fan of MMA. And it's not surprising, in just a couple of years MMA has achieved far more in the public eye and is going from strength to strength, while the traditional martial arts barely get a mention, even now with the Olympics running

mansize

riffmongous wrote: »

Look at the language they used, classic defensive posture. They are insulting everyone who partakes and is a fan of MMA. And it's not surprising, in just a couple of years MMA has achieved far more in the public eye and is going from strength to strength, while the traditional martial arts barely get a mention, even now with the Olympics running

It did suffer a set back earlier this year, which has brought about this need for proper regulation

daRobot

riffmongous wrote: »

Sounds to me like the IMAC is feeling pretty threatened by the huge increase in popularity of MMA of Ireland

Yep, I'd agree with that.

What's laughable, is that all these various disciplines are approved by IMAC, yet when they're combined together in basically what is a freestyle format, it becomes "not a sport" and comparable to "dog fighting".

Now what I would like to know, is specifically what aspect of MMA do they find so abhorrent, considering the sport that they condemn so strongly is comprised of the very sports supported by their own organisation.

Seems completely illogical and hypocritical to me.

smash

riffmongous wrote: »

Look at the language they used, classic defensive posture. They are insulting everyone who partakes and is a fan of MMA. And it's not surprising, in just a couple of years MMA has achieved far more in the public eye and is going from strength to strength, while the traditional martial arts barely get a mention, even now with the Olympics running

This does not mean they feel threatened. As far as I can see it's just simply that they don't want an association with MMA or it's participants and that's completely up to them. They're not sitting they're crying that MMA has taken students off them because as far as I can tell they have strong views on the subject and as such, they're not the kind of students they want.

TSMGUY

Sofiztikated wrote: »

If everyone you meet is an asshole, then maybe it's not everyone that has the problem.

That's a massive misrepresentation of what I said, isn't it? Every MMA guy I've met has been an asshole (and you're really just proving my point by being so standoffish.) Hardly an indictment of my character. And there's no need to imply I'm an asshole because I've experienced hostility from MMA practitioners.

That_Guy

It's difficult to take any sporting body seriously when they spout the following:

....and like dog fighting did not deserve to be legitimised.

It said it agreed with reports describing MMA as "pornographic, sadistic and voyeuristic to its core".

FTA69

The flying mouse wrote: »

Hope this thread can be left here...

Documents obtained by RTÉ News show strong opposition to proposals to formally recognise, regulate, and fund Mixed Martial Arts fighting.

The Irish Martial Arts Commission, which has been asked to consider taking MMA under its umbrella, wrote to the International Olympic Committee in April of this year saying that MMA, in its current form, is not a sport, and like dog fighting did not deserve to be legitimised.

It said it agreed with reports describing MMA as "pornographic, sadistic and voyeuristic to its core".

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0808/807658-mma/


Well folks what do you think ,Is it a sport or should it be banned,

I don't think it should be banned, maybe more regulated, if its banned sure it will just thrive underground.

Typical nonsense from a minority of tosspots who are plainly seething that MMA has debunked most of the myths these people had constructed around their version of martial arts. We all know the type, fellas with overhanging beer guts waffling on about the deadliness of Shotokan Karate etc despite never having been in a proper fight in their lives and spending years doing glorified dancing in order to get a black bit of fabric around their waist.

I would also suggest that the people behind the above statement are probably not even representative of the traditional martial arts community in this regard and are simply having a pop.

The reality is that MMA takes extreme dedication, skill, courage and above all a willingness to learn and to teach in a respectful context. Most people banging on about it being barbaric and thuggish have never been in an MMA or Muay Thai or boxing gym in their lives because if they ever did theyd see the environment is one of mutual respect, calmness and dedication to mastering a skillset.

Ush1

Are the people who bash MMA just afraid of being in a fight? Don't worry lads, you won't be forced to compete...

TSMGUY

Ush1 wrote: »

Are the people who bash MMA just afraid of being in a fight?/QUOTE]

No.

VinLieger

Elitist troglodytes afraid of change and their sports being supplanted and over shadowed is all this is about

FTA69

smash wrote: »

. They're not sitting they're crying that MMA has taken students off them because as far as I can tell they have strong views on the subject and as such, they're not the kind of students they want.

Why is that do you think?

Sofiztikated

TSMGUY wrote: »

That's a massive misrepresentation of what I said, isn't it? Every MMA guy I've met has been an asshole (and you're really just proving my point by being so standoffish.) Hardly an indictment of my character. And there's no need to imply I'm an asshole because I've experienced hostility from MMA practitioners.

I'm really not. I'm not an MMA guy. I don't train. I watch a bit. Wouldn't consider myself an ardent fan at all.

riffmongous

mansize wrote: »

It did suffer a set back earlier this year, which has brought about this need for proper regulation

There was always a need for proper regulation though, but the irish sports council keeps they try to palm it off to the IMAC knowing full well they won't accept it. The IMAC shouldn't even be involved to be honest, MMA should have it's own recognised assosciation similar to wrestling, boxing, judo

Dyr

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I've always felt that traditional Martial Arts is as much about spiritual and personal development as it is about physical competition, whereas MMA is purely about physcial comabat, so in that respect I can understand their stance not to accept it.

That said, they have no right to say it should be banned.

yeah bollocks to that

The problem IMAC have with MMA is that its popularity threatens some of its associations membership numbers. That and the head of IMAC is an original SJW.

Most traditional martial arts clubs in Ireland have nothing to do with IMAC.

TSMGUY

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm really not. I'm not an MMA guy. I don't train. I watch a bit. Wouldn't consider myself an ardent fan at all.

So, you're not an ardent fan and you have no reason to discredit my opinions on the MMA guys I've personally encountered...... yet you're happy to brand me an asshole? You might be projecting, buddy.

That_Guy

Ush1 wrote: »

Are the people who bash MMA just afraid of being in a fight? Don't worry lads, you won't be forced to compete...

I don't think it's that at all. I think people just see the cage and think the worst. And to be honest, from an outsider tuning in for the very first time, I can understand where they're coming from.

BUT

I think people latch on to an idea because of the aesthetics and form an opinion of it being thuggish etc etc without delving further into the skills/discipline required.

It's just disappointing that some members of IMAC think this way.

mansize

Christ SJW being trotted out...

Losing credibility quickly

Ush1

TSMGUY wrote: »

No.

So your issue is you dealt with people you didn't like who trained MMA? Not exactly a problem with the sport you have then.

lawlolawl

The IMAC is just annoyed that MMA took the effective techniques from the various styles of cute dancing that they do and made it into a sport that people care about.

Their problem with ground and pound is basically - "But if you take me down i won't get to do the kickin' rad kata that i've been practicing for agesssssssss"

mansize

riffmongous wrote: »

There was always a need for proper regulation though, but the irish sports council keeps they try to palm it off to the IMAC knowing full well they won't accept it. The IMAC shouldn't even be involved to be honest, MMA should have it's own recognised assosciation similar to wrestling, boxing, judo

Surely if it's genuinely Mixed Martial Arts, IMAC would be the best fit???