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Irish martial arts body opposes recognition of MMA

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    #32
    riffmongous
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    smash wrote: »
    Nonsense. They just don't want an association with it.
    Look at the language they used, classic defensive posture. They are insulting everyone who partakes and is a fan of MMA. And it's not surprising, in just a couple of years MMA has achieved far more in the public eye and is going from strength to strength, while the traditional martial arts barely get a mention, even now with the Olympics running


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    #33
    mansize
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Look at the language they used, classic defensive posture. They are insulting everyone who partakes and is a fan of MMA. And it's not surprising, in just a couple of years MMA has achieved far more in the public eye and is going from strength to strength, while the traditional martial arts barely get a mention, even now with the Olympics running

    It did suffer a set back earlier this year, which has brought about this need for proper regulation


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    #34
    daRobot
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Sounds to me like the IMAC is feeling pretty threatened by the huge increase in popularity of MMA of Ireland

    Yep, I'd agree with that.

    What's laughable, is that all these various disciplines are approved by IMAC, yet when they're combined together in basically what is a freestyle format, it becomes "not a sport" and comparable to "dog fighting".

    Now what I would like to know, is specifically what aspect of MMA do they find so abhorrent, considering the sport that they condemn so strongly is comprised of the very sports supported by their own organisation.

    Seems completely illogical and hypocritical to me.


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    #35
    smash
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Look at the language they used, classic defensive posture. They are insulting everyone who partakes and is a fan of MMA. And it's not surprising, in just a couple of years MMA has achieved far more in the public eye and is going from strength to strength, while the traditional martial arts barely get a mention, even now with the Olympics running

    This does not mean they feel threatened. As far as I can see it's just simply that they don't want an association with MMA or it's participants and that's completely up to them. They're not sitting they're crying that MMA has taken students off them because as far as I can tell they have strong views on the subject and as such, they're not the kind of students they want.


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    #36
    TSMGUY
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    If everyone you meet is an asshole, then maybe it's not everyone that has the problem.

    That's a massive misrepresentation of what I said, isn't it? Every MMA guy I've met has been an asshole (and you're really just proving my point by being so standoffish.) Hardly an indictment of my character. And there's no need to imply I'm an asshole because I've experienced hostility from MMA practitioners.


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    #37
    That_Guy
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    It's difficult to take any sporting body seriously when they spout the following:
    ....and like dog fighting did not deserve to be legitimised.

    It said it agreed with reports describing MMA as "pornographic, sadistic and voyeuristic to its core".


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    #38
    FTA69
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    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Hope this thread can be left here...

    Documents obtained by RTÉ News show strong opposition to proposals to formally recognise, regulate, and fund Mixed Martial Arts fighting.

    The Irish Martial Arts Commission, which has been asked to consider taking MMA under its umbrella, wrote to the International Olympic Committee in April of this year saying that MMA, in its current form, is not a sport, and like dog fighting did not deserve to be legitimised.

    It said it agreed with reports describing MMA as "pornographic, sadistic and voyeuristic to its core".

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0808/807658-mma/


    Well folks what do you think ,Is it a sport or should it be banned,

    I don't think it should be banned, maybe more regulated, if its banned sure it will just thrive underground.

    Typical nonsense from a minority of tosspots who are plainly seething that MMA has debunked most of the myths these people had constructed around their version of martial arts. We all know the type, fellas with overhanging beer guts waffling on about the deadliness of Shotokan Karate etc despite never having been in a proper fight in their lives and spending years doing glorified dancing in order to get a black bit of fabric around their waist.

    I would also suggest that the people behind the above statement are probably not even representative of the traditional martial arts community in this regard and are simply having a pop.

    The reality is that MMA takes extreme dedication, skill, courage and above all a willingness to learn and to teach in a respectful context. Most people banging on about it being barbaric and thuggish have never been in an MMA or Muay Thai or boxing gym in their lives because if they ever did theyd see the environment is one of mutual respect, calmness and dedication to mastering a skillset.


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    #39
    Ush1
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    Are the people who bash MMA just afraid of being in a fight? Don't worry lads, you won't be forced to compete...


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    #40
    TSMGUY
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    Are the people who bash MMA just afraid of being in a fight?/QUOTE]

    No.


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    #41
    VinLieger
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    Elitist troglodytes afraid of change and their sports being supplanted and over shadowed is all this is about


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    #42
    FTA69
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    smash wrote: »
    . They're not sitting they're crying that MMA has taken students off them because as far as I can tell they have strong views on the subject and as such, they're not the kind of students they want.

    Why is that do you think?


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    #43
    Sofiztikated
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    TSMGUY wrote: »
    That's a massive misrepresentation of what I said, isn't it? Every MMA guy I've met has been an asshole (and you're really just proving my point by being so standoffish.) Hardly an indictment of my character. And there's no need to imply I'm an asshole because I've experienced hostility from MMA practitioners.

    I'm really not. I'm not an MMA guy. I don't train. I watch a bit. Wouldn't consider myself an ardent fan at all.


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    #44
    riffmongous
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    mansize wrote: »
    It did suffer a set back earlier this year, which has brought about this need for proper regulation
    There was always a need for proper regulation though, but the irish sports council keeps they try to palm it off to the IMAC knowing full well they won't accept it. The IMAC shouldn't even be involved to be honest, MMA should have it's own recognised assosciation similar to wrestling, boxing, judo


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    #45
    Dyr
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    I've always felt that traditional Martial Arts is as much about spiritual and personal development as it is about physical competition, whereas MMA is purely about physcial comabat, so in that respect I can understand their stance not to accept it.

    That said, they have no right to say it should be banned.

    yeah bollocks to that

    The problem IMAC have with MMA is that its popularity threatens some of its associations membership numbers. That and the head of IMAC is an original SJW.

    Most traditional martial arts clubs in Ireland have nothing to do with IMAC.


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    #46
    TSMGUY
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    I'm really not. I'm not an MMA guy. I don't train. I watch a bit. Wouldn't consider myself an ardent fan at all.
    So, you're not an ardent fan and you have no reason to discredit my opinions on the MMA guys I've personally encountered...... yet you're happy to brand me an asshole? You might be projecting, buddy.


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    #47
    That_Guy
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    Are the people who bash MMA just afraid of being in a fight? Don't worry lads, you won't be forced to compete...

    I don't think it's that at all. I think people just see the cage and think the worst. And to be honest, from an outsider tuning in for the very first time, I can understand where they're coming from.

    BUT

    I think people latch on to an idea because of the aesthetics and form an opinion of it being thuggish etc etc without delving further into the skills/discipline required.

    It's just disappointing that some members of IMAC think this way.


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    #48
    mansize
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    Christ SJW being trotted out...

    Losing credibility quickly


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    #49
    Ush1
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    TSMGUY wrote: »
    No.

    So your issue is you dealt with people you didn't like who trained MMA? Not exactly a problem with the sport you have then.


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    #50
    lawlolawl
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    The IMAC is just annoyed that MMA took the effective techniques from the various styles of cute dancing that they do and made it into a sport that people care about.

    Their problem with ground and pound is basically - "But if you take me down i won't get to do the kickin' rad kata that i've been practicing for agesssssssss"


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    #51
    mansize
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    There was always a need for proper regulation though, but the irish sports council keeps they try to palm it off to the IMAC knowing full well they won't accept it. The IMAC shouldn't even be involved to be honest, MMA should have it's own recognised assosciation similar to wrestling, boxing, judo

    Surely if it's genuinely Mixed Martial Arts, IMAC would be the best fit???


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    #52
    mansize
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    lawlolawl wrote: »
    The IMAC is just annoyed that MMA took the effective techniques from the various styles of cute dancing that they do and made it into a sport that people care about.

    Their problem with ground and pound is basically - "But if you take me down i won't get to do the kickin' rad kata that i've been practicing for agesssssssss"

    Maybe they have issues with striking a grounded opponent...


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    #53
    Ush1
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    That_Guy wrote: »
    I don't think it's that at all. I think people just see the cage and think the worst. And to be honest, from an outsider tuning in for the very first time, I can understand where they're coming from.

    BUT

    I think people latch on to an idea because of the aesthetics and form an opinion of it being thuggish etc etc without delving further into the skills/discipline required.

    It's just disappointing that some members of IMAC think this way.

    Think the worst as in it may be very dangerous? Maybe, but why would people care that much? If it's grown adults consenting to it I just don't understand why people would have such a negative reaction.


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    #54
    mansize
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    Sports resulting in death are very difficult to justify


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    #55
    FTA69
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    mansize wrote: »
    Sports resulting in death are very difficult to justify

    Grand let's ban cycling, horse riding and triathlon swimming so.


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    #56
    TSMGUY
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    So your issue is you dealt with people you didn't like who trained MMA? Not exactly a problem with the sport you have then.

    The two aren't mutually exclusive. I disapprove of the sport too but I'm no prude and I certainly have no desire to ban it. However, I do recognize the right of the Martial Arts Commission or whatever their name is to distinguish themselves from MMA, which has branched off in to its own highly commercialized and brainless populist pastime for the violent.


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    #57
    FTA69
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    TSMGUY wrote: »
    So, you're not an ardent fan and you have no reason to discredit my opinions on the MMA guys I've personally encountered...... yet you're happy to brand me an asshole? You might be projecting, buddy.

    Well considering you're blanketing an entire sporting community of thousands upon thousands of people from diverse backgrounds as "assholes" - you're basically discrediting your own statements to be honest.


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    #58
    Dyr
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    mansize wrote: »
    Christ SJW being trotted out...

    Losing credibility quickly

    Do you know the person it refers to?

    I bet not. Think about that :)


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    #59
    mansize
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Grand let's ban cycling, horse riding and triathlon swimming so.

    They have rules to prevent death and death isn't as a result of deliberate striking by an opponent

    F1 made their sport safer


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    #60
    Ush1
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    TSMGUY wrote: »
    The two aren't mutually exclusive. I disapprove of the sport too but I'm no prude and I certainly have no desire to ban it. However, I do recognize the right of the Martial Arts Commission or whatever their name is to distinguish themselves from MMA, which has branched off in to its own highly commercialized and brainless populist pastime for the violent.

    Do you consider all combat sports a brainless populist pastime for the violent? You haven't said why you disapprove of the sport. I would consider the sport itself and a few people you've met involved in it(how many?), mutually exclusive.


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    #61
    mansize
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Do you know the person it refers to?

    I bet not. Think about that :)

    SJW is baseless cheap namecalling

    Or have you evidence to the contrary?


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