Star Trek: Discovery - Pre-release discussion [** NO SPOILERS **]

FutureGuy

Guys. Gals.

Word emerging that a new Trek series has been confirmed for 2016...an official announcement may arrive today.

Alex Kurtzman is heading it for CBS.


Please please please not be some sh!te hoax.

Myrddin

Very surprising if true. Trek would need to be radically different to survive todays world of tv...and not different in a good way unfortunately.

ibFoxer

Obviously not a confirmation but being reported here and here

bajer101

Confirmed.

http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017

The_Valeyard

If true......

Omg omg Omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

If false,

F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck,

1hnr79jr65

The_Valeyard wrote: »

If true......

Omg omg Omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

If false,

F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, F*ck,

#Agreed :pac::pac::D

IvySlayer

Hopefully its more like TNG than TOS :P

bajer101

IvySlayer wrote: »

Hopefully its more like TNG than TOS :P

It may have more of a feel of the J.J. Abrams movies, as Alex Kurtzman, who co wrote those movies is the main man behind it.

The_Valeyard

Enterprise season 3 & 4

Kiith

Surprised about this to be honest. Not a bad idea with the final new film next year, but i wasn't expecting a new series for a while. Not sure about it being on CBS All Access...mainly cause I know nothing about it, but we'll see how it pans out.

Will be interesting to see where they take the show. I'd be fairly confident it'll be set in the newly created timeline, as it gives them a huge amount of freedom to recreate it as they like. A lot of Trek fans will not be happy with that though.

Either way, definitely good new so far.

super_furry

Jaysus, Star Trek and the Stone Roses is one day? I've got one wish left so.

IvySlayer

bajer101 wrote: »

It may have more of a feel of the J.J. Abrams movies, as Alex Kurtzman, who co wrote those movies is the main man behind it.

Please no Kirk great great great grandson with first officer descendant of Dax or something

Go with a whole new direction

bajer101

super_furry wrote: »

Jaysus, Star Trek and the Stone Roses is one day? I've got one wish left so.

Carlsberg don't do Mondays....

1hnr79jr65

Star trek renegades as a tv series would be cool based on the youtube film.

seamus

Myrddin wrote: »

Very surprising if true. Trek would need to be radically different to survive todays world of tv...and not different in a good way unfortunately.

A lot of people probably would have said the same when they were greenlighting TNG tbh.

We're in a golden age of TV at the moment, get the right team onboard and we could have a legendary Trek series in the making. Main question is which universe they're planning on going with. The new Abrams universe gives them a lot of potential to tread old ground with a modern spin - attractive to new and old fans alike.

But a continuation of the old universe gives them a lot more freedom to get into really serious technology. Which could be fun, but has the potential to become a farce too.

I think you're right that it'll have to be different to survive modern TV - it'll have to be a little darker and grittier. Look at the current top TV shows - they're not sitcoms or cheesy action series, but grittier stuff that skirts the line between reality and fantasy - Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Homeland, Gotham, Fargo, True Detective.

Could get a really good mix of the seriousness/drama of TNG mixed with the darker parts of DS9, with big-budget writers and directors.

bajer101

IvySlayer wrote: »

Please no Kirk great great great grandson with first officer descendant of Dax or something

Go with a whole new direction

Admiral Picard coaxed out of retirement to deal with some new threat. We can but dream.

Greyjoy

bajer101 wrote: »

It may have more of a feel of the J.J. Abrams movies, as Alex Kurtzman, who co wrote those movies is the main man behind it.

I wouldn't be opposed to a series in the new timeline per se (though I'd prefer the original setting) but if Kurtzman is helming the show then my expectations are severely lowered.

Myrddin

This is a dead cert to be set in the JJ-timeline, and in a way, it makes the most sense to do so. The TNG-universe had been pretty fleshed out, the the Alpha quadrant seemed much smaller by the finale of DS9 than it had done in TOS. Only way to do the TNG-universe would be to jump ahead in time by 100 years or so, and embrace new tech (transwarp?) etc

User45701

regardless of what timeline i just hope its set post borg 1st contact because that covers most of the other established races as well.
i don't want to spend the next 5 years having introductions. Id like to see it post Nemesis

my friends are convinced it will be a crew of 20 year olds, TOS era, different ship, wild west / firefly elements to it

ZeroThreat

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Enterprise season 3 & 4

♫It's been a long time.....



Hang on, I thought it ran for 4 seasons?

strelok

Slarkon wrote: »

my friends are convinced it will be a crew of 20 year olds, TOS era, different ship, wild west / firefly elements to it

that sounds just about awful enough to be right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd23slMhWQU

syklops

Myrddin wrote: »

Very surprising if true. Trek would need to be radically different to survive todays world of tv...and not different in a good way unfortunately.

Star Trek: Defiant NCC-90210

DivingDuck

There's a line at the bottom:

The new television series is not related to the upcoming feature film Star Trek Beyond which is scheduled to be distributed by Paramount Pictures in summer 2016.

In a perfect world, we could convince ourselves this means it isn't set in the Abrams verse, right?

wil

Given the infinite possibilities, there should at some point be a collision between all the sci-fis resulting in a TOS/TNG/B5/SW/FF etc mega mashup.

Solve all the confused gf conundrums:D

The Black Oil

Hopefully someone other than the writers of the recent Trek films will be the showrunner...

Goldstein

Why are people celebrating? This is the worst news possible for the franchise. Alex Kurtzman is in charge and it's set in the alternate universe.

All hope of a real Star Trek TV show is now dead.

Axanar and what follows in its steps is where the heart of the franchise lies now.

Myrddin

Goldstein wrote: »

All hope of a real Star Trek TV show is now dead.

Axanar and what follows in its steps is where the heart of the franchise lies now.

I'm inclined (at this early stage) to agree. It's hard to imagine any new show tackling human condition stories over space lazers etc, though I hope I'm proved wrong.

I really hope too that this news doesn't effect Continues & Axanar in terms of rights etc

AMKC

This could work out really well if they do it in the Mirror Universe. A Mirror Universe series how cool could that be. It could be dark and gritty just like tv is now but still be the prime universe Star Trek and you never know maybe even have some crossover with the good prime universe.

I really want to be happy and get excited about this but will wait until I see the first few trailers. Hopefully it will be good. I don,t mind which Universe as long as they are proper story's about real issues happening in the world now just like the Original series did it. Homeland can do it why can,t a new Star Trek do it.

WhatAMelon

If they reimagine it from scratch, OK, it could be very good. If it is, just Abrams flim flam, well, no.

Anyway, I assume it's a clean break from from the last tv series'.

helimachoptor

Oh yeah baby!

But please, not 90210 in space

degrassinoel

WhatAMelon wrote: »

If they reimagine it from scratch, OK, it could be very good. If it is, just Abrams flim flam, well, no.

Anyway, I assume it's a clean break from from the last tv series'.

Enterprise wasn't that bad tbh, i preferred it over voyager anyway

helimachoptor

degrassinoel wrote: »

Enterprise wasn't that bad tbh, i preferred it over voyager anyway

amen to that

Kiith

Abrams and co. were tasked with making Star Trek appealing to a larger audience, and they did it pretty well imo. No, it wasn't perfect (or even great), but it did what summer blockbusters needed to do....entertain. Hopefully, with a few seasons, they'll be able to use what's there and actually bring back the spirit of the originals.

And forget that the Enterprise got to Vulcan in about 20 minutes...or Red Matter...or beaming from Earth to Kronos.

Hmm

Cantstandsya

Worst fears confirmed. Kurtzman developing a new Star Trek series. At least I could ignore the movies, they were ****e but there was always the (very slim) possibility of them going back to the TNG/DS9 timeline and continuing with a new series with a subtle writer who cared about the material.

That's gone now. Star Trek as I knew it officially dies with this announcement. The idea that the guy behind Transformers can be put in charge of Star Trek tv series makes me want to vomit...

helimachoptor

Could it be Michael Dorns series?

Also Starring LeVar Burton

I'd like to see something with the story-arcing and character development of DS9, which also had the best recurring characters. Although set on the Enterprise, preferably. If they're planning to reboot existing characters, it'd probably be best to leave the TOS characters to the film series and use TNG characters for the small screen. Ideally though, would be if we got a set of entirely new characters (with potential cameos from former Trek alumni)

WhatAMelon

degrassinoel wrote: »

Enterprise wasn't that bad tbh, i preferred it over voyager anyway

Both of those series were series that was tough to like - taken as awhole - but had superb episodes that justified them both.

That's why I hope this Abrams writer reimagines it from scratch, rather than ruining the 'original timeline'.

Then if it's rubbish, I can be indifferent and if it's good I can enjoy it.

coolemon

I hope this will not turn out to be some race to the bottom lowest common denominator drama.

TNG was brilliant because much of it was intelligent, thought provoking and philosophical.

ZeroThreat

coolemon wrote: »

I hope this will not turn out to be some race to the bottom lowest common denominator drama.

TNG was brilliant because much of it was intelligent, thought provoking and philosophical.

On reflection though, the 1st series was sorta cheesy.

That being said, I loved DS9 but the 1st series was dire.

ZeroThreat

AMKC wrote: »

This could work out really well if they do it in the Mirror Universe. A Mirror Universe series how cool could that be. It could be dark and gritty just like tv is now but still be the prime universe Star Trek and you never know maybe even have some crossover with the good prime universe.

I really want to be happy and get excited about this but will wait until I see the first few trailers. Hopefully it will be good. I don,t mind which Universe as long as they are proper story's about real issues happening in the world now just like the Original series did it. Homeland can do it why can,t a new Star Trek do it.

TOS, DS9 and Enterprise all had mirror universe episodes. Unfortunately it was never ever included in TNG, I would have love to see the 'evil Picard' - instead of telling idiot boy Welsey to shut up, he'd just shoot him out the torpedo launcher

_Kaiser_

ZeroThreat wrote: »

TOS, DS9 and Enterprise all had mirror universe episodes. Unfortunately it was never ever included in TNG, I would have love to see the 'evil Picard' - instead of telling idiot boy Welsey to shut up, he'd just shoot him out the torpedo launcher

Have a look for the book Dark Mirror - while written before the DS9 Mirror Universe episodes (and thus not fitting with the plot of the Empire having been defeated) it's a good read.

I loved the ENT Mirror Universe episodes.. the only ones that I'd rewatch actually (well those and the Borg episode), mostly because the characters were far more interesting than their "our universe" counterparts.

helimachoptor

ZeroThreat wrote: »

TOS, DS9 and Enterprise all had mirror universe episodes. Unfortunately it was never ever included in TNG, I would have love to see the 'evil Picard' - instead of telling idiot boy Welsey to shut up, he'd just shoot him out the torpedo launcher

would have assumed the ep with the NCC 1701 D was a slight take on a mirror universe

crazyderk

“I can confirm it right now.” Dorn said. “CBS/Paramount is coming out with a television series in 2017 and from what I’ve read, it’s going to be the J.J. Abrams-universe. So, it’s going to be a different timeline and we are not in in.”

http://www.treknews.net/2015/11/08/dorn-confirms-new-star-trek-not-captain-worf-series/

bajer101

It's not Star Trek then. Time to move on. Nothing to see here.

degrassinoel

that's actually disappointing but i'll still watch it (the first episode at least)

Kiith

It was always going to be in the new universe. Wouldn't make any sense to not take advantage of the renewed popularity (for better or worse) of Star Trek.

WhatAMelon

It's not a 100% cast iron it's Abrams universe. Dorn just says he "read" that's what it's going to be.

It's not going to be the 'old timeline' clearly (maybe that's for the best) but I'm holding out a slight hope they'll reimagine it from scratch like they did with BSG. Given it a new canon and so on.

I won't tolerate a transplant from movie to TV. But I don't think a TV audience would accept that anyway. TV series have got to do better than that to last their run.

Myrddin

Lets face it, it will be in the new universe. If TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT were to air today they wouldn't last two seasons. The canon universe is finished in the eyes of tv executives, and this JJ-universe offers them more creative freedom than the established one does so in that sense it does make sense. Personally though I'm disappointed, while the JJ Trek films are enjoyable as "Space Lazer Adventure 1 & 2", I don't feel they carry the essence of Star Trek within them.

degrassinoel

so can we expect lens flare, lost-type plot twists in every single episode, found footage type deals and over the top gore, and violence?

All of that works for me, but not in Trek man

Kiith

There's only so much they can do with a 2 hour film, especially when it was obviously trying to appeal to trekkies and non-trekkies alike. Lets be honest...the Star Trek we know and love was pretty much dead, bar some fan projects. JJ's Trek was designed as a summer blockbuster with the Trek name, and it was extremely successful from that point of view. A new show was always going to focus on that, as they'd be throwing away a huge amount of watchers by going back to the old universe.

I'm certainly not going to write it off, considering we know literally nothing about it so far.

ZeroThreat

helimachoptor wrote: »

would have assumed the ep with the NCC 1701 D was a slight take on a mirror universe

huh? I assume you meant the episode with the 1701C (female captain) that came through some sort of 'temporal wormhole' which changed the timeline, and then went back though to restore timeline and gave the series a Romulan Tasha Yar lookalike villain for future episodes?