Philippines - shoot dealers and addicts

selastich2

The Philippines have given the order to go ahead and shoot dealers and junkies. Nearly sixty thousand addicts have handed themelves in and the jails are full and reports of 100 + dealers already shot.


These sons of whores are destroying our children-mayor


Could a similar solution work here?

beertons

Of course it could. That's why they'll never do it.

biko

Nearly 60,000 Filipino drug addicts have surrendered themselves to the government after President Rodrigo Duterte urged citizens to 'go ahead and kill' drug dealers and users.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691692/Drug-addicts-Philippines-surrender-authorities-president-Rodrigo-Duterte-urges-citizens-ahead-kill-drug-users-dealers.html

Captain Chaos

There wouldn't be enough ammunition in the country to sort out Dublin city center.

Your Face

Yay!

smash

The purge?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Pretty important word in the following sentence. Can you pick it out?

Police have confirmed killing more than 110 drug suspects since the president came to power.

I wonder does the president of the Philippines frequent AH or something, his "solutions" seem very similar to those on here.

timmyntc

Most definitely a breach of human rights conventions or something like that
but it certainly gets results



This is the same guy who turned one of the most violent areas in the philippines into a tourist friendly 'paradise'.. allegedly anyways
So I don't know

On the whole, I'd rather Portugal's legalise it approach.

The war on drugs is a farce. Stepping it up is not the solution. I suspect some dealers will shoot back.

riffmongous

If I suspect Duerte is secretly a user can I just go kill him?

Tow

selastich2 wrote: »

Could a similar solution work here?

It worked in Belfast during the troubles. Davao where Duterte was mayor for 20 years has been cleaned up dramatically. It is not just drugs, the roads a better, the traffic is better, there are wheelie bin rubbish collections, the speed limits are heavy enforced, fire works are banned, Jeepneys have to meet standards and don't have 1+KW of music blasting out. etc etc. The locals love him and it is his proven record which has won him support from the rest of the country.

maudgonner

Tow wrote: »

It worked in Belfast during the troubles.

Did it? Did it really?

jaykay74

So if you don't like your neighbour and "suspect" him to be a drug addict you can kill him. I don't foresee any problems going forward with that.

timmyntc

maudgonner wrote: »

Did it? Did it really?

It worked in that all the other non-IRA dealers were put out of business, but I'm pretty sure the ra just wanted the market to themselves.

selastich2

jaykay74 wrote: »

So if you don't like your neighbour and "suspect" him to be a drug addict you can kill him. I don't foresee any problems going forward with that.

better start being a bit nicer to the neighbours

Jim Bob Scratcher

Bit harsh

selastich2

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Bit harsh

That's like something someone hyped up on ganja might say...

wp_rathead

selastich2 wrote: »

That's like something someone hyped up on ganja might say...

Did you just use Street slang?
*BANG*
You're dead

ScumLord

selastich2 wrote: »

better start being a bit nicer to the neighbours

What if your neighbour gets irritated by nice people and decides to shot you either way?

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. "Shoot anyone you think may be a drug addict"? I didn't think the Philippines was that barbaric.

waraf

ScumLord wrote: »

.... I didn't think the Philippines was that barbaric.

Duterte is a complete mentalist. F**k knows how he managed to get elected (although lies, corruption and vote rigging do spring to mind)

Tow

jaykay74 wrote: »

So if you don't like your neighbour and "suspect" him to be a drug addict you can kill him. I don't foresee any problems going forward with that.

Duterte would read a lists out each week on the radio of convicted car thieves, burglars etc. They would then take to leave, in case they had a mishap. Much the same as in Northern Ireland if you came to the attention of the local sectarian group.

Tow

waraf wrote: »

Duterte is a complete mentalist. F**k knows how he managed to get elected (although lies, corruption and vote rigging do spring to mind)

Visit the country and talk to the people. They are sick and tried of 'lies, corruption and vote rigging'. His support is so strong the country would have fallen into civil war if he did not win.

skywanderer

I was in the Philippines this year when the election was held there, there was huge vote rigging and attempts to rig the election against this Man; particularly by Mar Roxas the opposing candidate and incumbent party candidate. The rich and powerful elite who control the Philippines lost the election and Duterte is now ruling with an Iron fist; Drugs are a huge problem in the Philippines particularly Shabu (Crystal-Meth). A Filipina I know there was offered 5,000pesos (€95) to vote for a different candidate; she took the money but voted Duterte anyway. This 5,000 bribe would be equivalent of around €1,500 here in terms of time to earn it on minimum wage. She and her family were selected for payment due to party loyalty and close friendship with the local Barangay mayors daughter.

Two days before the election nearly 2 million people went to hear him speak in Luneta park in Manila. The day before the election, tens of thousands of Buses all arrived into Manila and one of the greatest migrations of people I have seen began as several million people left the City to return home to the their Provinces, Villages and Barangays to vote as that would be where their vote is.

On the day of election all bars were closed and Alcohol sales banned, a taxi trip which should have taken me over 2 hours across Metro Manila took 17 minutes as the entire city emptied out and people stayed home and off the roads. Their was a distinct eeriness to the whole thing as the Military were on high alert because people were prepared to fight if Duterte did not get elected and a Revolution would have taken place along EDSA; as it subsequently transpired Duterte got elected with 7 million votes to spare.

The Philippines is not a huge country but has 105million people and is bursting at the rafters; corruption is its biggest problem and this guy Duterte is tackling the problems head on; one bullet at a time. It is the only way to do it and while he upsets liberals; he is certainly getting results.

pickarooney

Giving an entire country free rein to shoot whomever they want with impunity... how could it go wrong?

Tow

pickarooney wrote: »

Giving an entire country free rein to shoot whomever they want with impunity... how could it go wrong?

It can go wrong, but in the grand scheme of things they will over look the odd mistake. Have a look at his original speech where he said this, it is on Youtube. He tells the people to get the police to handle drug dealers, but they can shoot in exceptional circumstances. Anyway, the Philippines is not like America there everyone has guns. You will see guards with shotguns at banks and the entrance to shopping centers etc, but many if these are a loaded with rocksalt.

corner of hells

pickarooney wrote: »

Giving an entire country free rein to shoot whomever they want with impunity... how could it go wrong?

Indeed my ex is addicted to online shopping, woulld save me a fortune if we lived in the Philippines.

Dpg21

skywanderer wrote: »

I was in the Philippines this year when the election was held there, there was huge vote rigging and attempts to rig the election against this Man; particularly by Mar Roxas the opposing candidate and incumbent party candidate. The rich and powerful elite who control the Philippines lost the election and Duterte is now ruling with an Iron fist; Drugs are a huge problem in the Philippines particularly Shabu (Crystal-Meth). A Filipina I know there was offered 5,000pesos (€95) to vote for a different candidate; she took the money but voted Duterte anyway. This 5,000 bribe would be equivalent of around €1,500 here in terms of time to earn it on minimum wage. She and her family were selected for payment due to party loyalty and close friendship with the local Barangay mayors daughter.

Two days before the election nearly 2 million people went to hear him speak in Luneta park in Manila. The day before the election, tens of thousands of Buses all arrived into Manila and one of the greatest migrations of people I have seen began as several million people left the City to return home to the their Provinces, Villages and Barangays to vote as that would be where their vote is.

On the day of election all bars were closed and Alcohol sales banned, a taxi trip which should have taken me over 2 hours across Metro Manila took 17 minutes as the entire city emptied out and people stayed home and off the roads. Their was a distinct eeriness to the whole thing as the Military were on high alert because people were prepared to fight if Duterte did not get elected and a Revolution would have taken place along EDSA; as it subsequently transpired Duterte got elected with 7 million votes to spare.

The Philippines is not a huge country but has 105million people and is bursting at the rafters; corruption is its biggest problem and this guy Duterte is tackling the problems head on; one bullet at a time. It is the only way to do it and while he upsets liberals; he is certainly getting results.

The only part of this comment I'm surprised by is when he got across the city in 17 minutes:O when I was there, a journey that was supposed to be a 15 minute drive took well over two hours.

Tow

corner of hells wrote: »

Indeed my ex is addicted to online shopping, woulld save me a fortune if we lived in the Philippines.

If Duterte sorted out items going missing in the postal system you would be in trouble.

waraf

Tow wrote: »

Visit the country and talk to the people. They are sick and tried of 'lies, corruption and vote rigging'. His support is so strong the country would have fallen into civil war if he did not win.

He won the election with a little under 40% of the votes so statistically more than half the population don't agree with his own particular brand of lunacy.

skywanderer

Dpg21 wrote: »

The only part of this comment I'm surprised by is when he got across the city in 17 minutes:O when I was there, a journey that was supposed to be a 15 minute drive took well over two hours.

It was around 17 mins although the Uber receipt says almost 22mins, loading and unloading my luggage would have accounted for that. The same journey a few days before would have taken 2hrs+. Add 7 hours for Philippines time and the journey took place at peak rush hour also.

waraf

skywanderer wrote: »

...The Philippines is not a huge country but has 105million people and is bursting at the rafters; corruption is its biggest problem and this guy Duterte is tackling the problems head on; one bullet at a time. It is the only way to do it and while he upsets liberals; he is certainly getting results.

F**king hell - I reckon even Donald Trump would have a problem with that paragraph :eek:

Tow

That must be a world record. Just a year ago it took us 1.5 hours to get from Terminal 3 to barangay Sto Nino, which is opposite the entrance to Terminal 1 / the Duty Free.

HiJacques

This is an example of where people like Hatrickpatrick can be forgiven for ignoring what goes on in the rest of the world.

It has nothing to do with those living in the first world where there are bigger problems like how a family of six from Coolock can be expected to survive in a 3 bed semi 20 minutes away by taxi from the nearest of the kid's fathers.

Tow

HiJacques wrote: »

It has nothing to do with those living in the first world where there are bigger problems like how a family of six from Coolock can be expected to survive in a 3 bed semi 20 minutes away by taxi from the nearest of the kid's fathers.

It will open yours eyes to real poverty which no longer exists in Ireland.

Dpg21

Tow wrote: »

It will open yours eyes to real poverty which no longer exists in Ireland.

Very true, I loved the Philippines but I was actually shocked at the poverty in some parts of Manila, I felt so sorry for all the homeless kids:(

Dpg21

skywanderer wrote: »

It was around 17 mins although the Uber receipt says almost 22mins, loading and unloading my luggage would have accounted for that. The same journey a few days before would have taken 2hrs+. Add 7 hours for Philippines time and the journey took place at peak rush hour also.

Haha that's crazy, I was so exhausted when I arrived, had been travelling for 35+ hours, thought I was been smart by booking a hostel near the airport so I could sleep, but then it still took over two hours lol

ScumLord

Tow wrote: »

It will open yours eyes to real poverty which no longer exists in Ireland.

I was shocked by poverty I've seen in parts of Spain and Paris. I remember going down streets in Paris where the sides of the road where piled high with rubbish, there was water gushing out of a manhole in the middle of the road, there were makeshift vendors selling bbqed corn on the cob, the buildings were lovely but it was being treated like a **** hole.

When I compare it to Dublin, ya, Paris may have some amazing places that trump everywhere in the world, but it has some awful hovels too. Dublin seems to have a good standard across the board. Dublin is very new and clean, parts of the rest of Europe look old and haggard.

skywanderer

skywanderer wrote: »

...a taxi trip which should have taken me over 2 hours across Metro Manila took 17 minutes as the entire city emptied out and people stayed home and off the roads. Their was a distinct eeriness to the whole thing as the Military were on high alert because people were prepared to fight if Duterte did not get elected and a Revolution would have taken place along EDSA; as it subsequently transpired Duterte got elected with 7 million votes to spare.

The Philippines is not a huge country but has 105million people and is bursting at the rafters; corruption is its biggest problem and this guy Duterte is tackling the problems head on; one bullet at a time. It is the only way to do it and while he upsets liberals; he is certainly getting results.

It kinda sounds like he is turning the place into a giant game of Battle Royale.

Now that may be one in the eye for the liberals and slash taxi times...but still...the whole drugs thing sounds like lunacy.

ScumLord

Deleted User wrote: »

It kinda sounds like he is turning the place into a giant game of Battle Royale.

Now that may be one in the eye for the liberals and slash taxi times...but still...the whole drugs thing sounds like lunacy.

Even Islamic countries were turning around to the fact aggressive anti drug laws don't work. Iran has abandoned chopping bit's of heroin addicts and apparently has one of the best rehabilitation programs in the world now considered how much heroin goes through the country.

This all looks like a smoke screen, drug users are like Jews in ancient societies, an easy target to set the mob on.

HalloweenJack

I don't have a problem with the drug dealer part per se but shooting addicts is ridiculous. Addicts are people who need help, who might actually be able to rebuild their lives with the correct help but, no, let's just shoot them instead.

What about alcoholics, do they count as addicts?

skywanderer

Deleted User wrote: »

It kinda sounds like he is turning the place into a giant game of Battle Royale.

Now that may be one in the eye for the liberals and slash taxi times...but still...the whole drugs thing sounds like lunacy.

He did nothing to slash taxi times or the worlds worst traffic; What I experienced was because it was on election day and millions had left the capital Manila to go to vote in the far flung provinces and thousands stayed home and thus no traffic.

HiJacques

ScumLord wrote: »

I was shocked by poverty I've seen in parts of Spain and Paris. I remember going down streets in Paris where the sides of the road where piled high with rubbish, there was water gushing out of a manhole in the middle of the road, there were makeshift vendors selling bbqed corn on the cob, the buildings were lovely but it was being treated like a **** hole.

When I compare it to Dublin, ya, Paris may have some amazing places that trump everywhere in the world, but it has some awful hovels too. Dublin seems to have a good standard across the board. Dublin is very new and clean, parts of the rest of Europe look old and haggard.

It's great that Ireland has high standards but it's sad that a lot of good work by both the state and community organisations are dismissed in the constant effort by people with political motives to create an unwarranted feeling of injustice and depravation. It's as if some political groups fear they will lose their support base if people are allowed to feel that they should be working to contribute to a society which has helped them rather than the other way round.

Shooting dealers and addicts sounds like the kind of 'street justice' the IRA and similar paramilitaries would enforce in their areas of control. 18 years after the GFA, paramilitaries with political support still control urban deprived areas so Ireland is probably closer to falling into a warlord dominated third world society than it's comfortable to admit.

Filipinos could be forgiven for wondering how on earth Irish people could take their advantages for granted and do their best to make a mess of their society anyway.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

ScumLord

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Addicts are people who need help, who might actually be able to rebuild their lives with the correct help but, no, let's just shoot them instead.

The same could be said for a lot of low level dealers too. Most get into it to either guarantee their own supply, or to cover the costs of their addiction. They often don't have much else they can do and just get trapped in that industry.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

They don't, he actually says you can shoot any suspected drug addict. You don't even need proof the other person is an actual addict. It's a perfect opportunity for people to carry out revenge killings or even for he's supporters to kill off he's opposition.

jaykay74

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

Well the headline is

"Drug addicts in jail cells and dealers' bodies littering the streets: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines after the president tells citizens to 'go ahead and kill' drug users"

After winning elections in May this year he has urged citizens to kill suspected drug users and dealers

so I think casual users are fair game unless of course the Daily Mail are overblowing it.

Gmol

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

Asking for a friend

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ScumLord wrote: »

They don't, he actually says you can shoot any suspected drug addict. You don't even need proof the other person is an actual addict. It's a perfect opportunity for people to carry out revenge killings or even for he's supporters to kill off he's opposition.

jaykay74 wrote: »

Well the headline is

so I think casual users are fair game unless of course the Daily Mail are overblowing it.

Sweet Lord, and people want to bring that in here...? Would be carnage - you could walk into a pub, let loose and be branded a hero.

Gmol wrote: »

Asking for a friend

Just checking before I book that flight to Manilla....

NegativeCreep

The Philippines - A paradise for people with murderous tendencies.

Arcade_Tryer

NegativeCreep wrote: »

The Philippines - A paradise for people with murderous tendencies.

I think situations like these used to be referred to as murder. And genocide..

And while they were always viewed as necessary by those carrying out the acts, it's quite worrying that people in Ireland would condone such behavior! World going one way. People another.

RDM_83 again

timmyntc wrote: »

It worked in that all the other non-IRA dealers were put out of business, but I'm pretty sure the ra just wanted the market to themselves.

maudgonner wrote: »

Did it? Did it really?

Look at the difference between areas that are/were dominated by Republican vs Loyalists, Ballymena for example used to be ridden with Heroin.

Derry AFAIK has a decent bit of pills and hash floating around but compared to a city like Limerick or Athlone which have fairly similar demographic and levels of poverty it doesn't have anything even approaching the Heroin problem so on balance I think it probably works for harder drugs.

I think when people make these statements they have never lived in NI or are making a judgment of an area they don't know the background too.

The flying mouse

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte said he "does not care" about human rights and will maintain his "shoot-to-kill" order for drug dealers until the last day of his term.

Under his orders, the country has launched a massive hunt for people involved in drug sales and roughly 800 people are reported to have been killed since May, when Duterte came to power.

Following these killings in the country, police said that more than 500,000 people have surrendered to the local authorities and vowed to permanently give up use of illegal drugs.

The president has hit back at critics saying it is "none of their business".

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiUo5yGmMvOAhWE7BQKHVDXC1wQFggwMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.co.uk%2Fphilippines-rodrigo-duterte-says-shoot-kill-order-remain-until-last-day-his-term-1574657&usg=AFQjCNEbgv6hO96F012hOIHJ7AcI0wq0AA

What you think AH ? Is this the way to go, stop your drug dealing or die.

I don't know what to think, sounds good and effective, at the start, but suppose it be only a matter of time before the drugs gangs get better armed and start fighting back ,ie Mexico.

Would we not be better of just legalising and government controlling drugs than doing this ?