Philippines - shoot dealers and addicts

15-07-2016 02:56PM

That must be a world record. Just a year ago it took us 1.5 hours to get from Terminal 3 to barangay Sto Nino, which is opposite the entrance to Terminal 1 / the Duty Free.

HiJacques · 15-07-2016 02:56PM

This is an example of where people like Hatrickpatrick can be forgiven for ignoring what goes on in the rest of the world.

It has nothing to do with those living in the first world where there are bigger problems like how a family of six from Coolock can be expected to survive in a 3 bed semi 20 minutes away by taxi from the nearest of the kid's fathers.

15-07-2016 03:02PM

HiJacques wrote: »

It has nothing to do with those living in the first world where there are bigger problems like how a family of six from Coolock can be expected to survive in a 3 bed semi 20 minutes away by taxi from the nearest of the kid's fathers.

It will open yours eyes to real poverty which no longer exists in Ireland.

Dpg21 · 15-07-2016 03:09PM

Tow wrote: »

It will open yours eyes to real poverty which no longer exists in Ireland.

Very true, I loved the Philippines but I was actually shocked at the poverty in some parts of Manila, I felt so sorry for all the homeless kids:(

Dpg21 · 15-07-2016 03:14PM

skywanderer wrote: »

It was around 17 mins although the Uber receipt says almost 22mins, loading and unloading my luggage would have accounted for that. The same journey a few days before would have taken 2hrs+. Add 7 hours for Philippines time and the journey took place at peak rush hour also.

Haha that's crazy, I was so exhausted when I arrived, had been travelling for 35+ hours, thought I was been smart by booking a hostel near the airport so I could sleep, but then it still took over two hours lol

ScumLord · 15-07-2016 03:16PM

Tow wrote: »

It will open yours eyes to real poverty which no longer exists in Ireland.

I was shocked by poverty I've seen in parts of Spain and Paris. I remember going down streets in Paris where the sides of the road where piled high with rubbish, there was water gushing out of a manhole in the middle of the road, there were makeshift vendors selling bbqed corn on the cob, the buildings were lovely but it was being treated like a **** hole.

When I compare it to Dublin, ya, Paris may have some amazing places that trump everywhere in the world, but it has some awful hovels too. Dublin seems to have a good standard across the board. Dublin is very new and clean, parts of the rest of Europe look old and haggard.

15-07-2016 03:21PM

skywanderer wrote: »

...a taxi trip which should have taken me over 2 hours across Metro Manila took 17 minutes as the entire city emptied out and people stayed home and off the roads. Their was a distinct eeriness to the whole thing as the Military were on high alert because people were prepared to fight if Duterte did not get elected and a Revolution would have taken place along EDSA; as it subsequently transpired Duterte got elected with 7 million votes to spare.

The Philippines is not a huge country but has 105million people and is bursting at the rafters; corruption is its biggest problem and this guy Duterte is tackling the problems head on; one bullet at a time. It is the only way to do it and while he upsets liberals; he is certainly getting results.

It kinda sounds like he is turning the place into a giant game of Battle Royale.

Now that may be one in the eye for the liberals and slash taxi times...but still...the whole drugs thing sounds like lunacy.

ScumLord · 15-07-2016 03:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It kinda sounds like he is turning the place into a giant game of Battle Royale.

Now that may be one in the eye for the liberals and slash taxi times...but still...the whole drugs thing sounds like lunacy.

Even Islamic countries were turning around to the fact aggressive anti drug laws don't work. Iran has abandoned chopping bit's of heroin addicts and apparently has one of the best rehabilitation programs in the world now considered how much heroin goes through the country.

This all looks like a smoke screen, drug users are like Jews in ancient societies, an easy target to set the mob on.

HalloweenJack · 15-07-2016 03:31PM

I don't have a problem with the drug dealer part per se but shooting addicts is ridiculous. Addicts are people who need help, who might actually be able to rebuild their lives with the correct help but, no, let's just shoot them instead.

What about alcoholics, do they count as addicts?

skywanderer · 15-07-2016 03:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It kinda sounds like he is turning the place into a giant game of Battle Royale.

Now that may be one in the eye for the liberals and slash taxi times...but still...the whole drugs thing sounds like lunacy.

He did nothing to slash taxi times or the worlds worst traffic; What I experienced was because it was on election day and millions had left the capital Manila to go to vote in the far flung provinces and thousands stayed home and thus no traffic.

HiJacques · 15-07-2016 05:24PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I was shocked by poverty I've seen in parts of Spain and Paris. I remember going down streets in Paris where the sides of the road where piled high with rubbish, there was water gushing out of a manhole in the middle of the road, there were makeshift vendors selling bbqed corn on the cob, the buildings were lovely but it was being treated like a **** hole.

When I compare it to Dublin, ya, Paris may have some amazing places that trump everywhere in the world, but it has some awful hovels too. Dublin seems to have a good standard across the board. Dublin is very new and clean, parts of the rest of Europe look old and haggard.

It's great that Ireland has high standards but it's sad that a lot of good work by both the state and community organisations are dismissed in the constant effort by people with political motives to create an unwarranted feeling of injustice and depravation. It's as if some political groups fear they will lose their support base if people are allowed to feel that they should be working to contribute to a society which has helped them rather than the other way round.

Shooting dealers and addicts sounds like the kind of 'street justice' the IRA and similar paramilitaries would enforce in their areas of control. 18 years after the GFA, paramilitaries with political support still control urban deprived areas so Ireland is probably closer to falling into a warlord dominated third world society than it's comfortable to admit.

Filipinos could be forgiven for wondering how on earth Irish people could take their advantages for granted and do their best to make a mess of their society anyway.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2016 05:26PM

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

ScumLord · 15-07-2016 05:32PM

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Addicts are people who need help, who might actually be able to rebuild their lives with the correct help but, no, let's just shoot them instead.

The same could be said for a lot of low level dealers too. Most get into it to either guarantee their own supply, or to cover the costs of their addiction. They often don't have much else they can do and just get trapped in that industry.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

They don't, he actually says you can shoot any suspected drug addict. You don't even need proof the other person is an actual addict. It's a perfect opportunity for people to carry out revenge killings or even for he's supporters to kill off he's opposition.

jaykay74 · 15-07-2016 05:33PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

Well the headline is

"Drug addicts in jail cells and dealers' bodies littering the streets: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines after the president tells citizens to 'go ahead and kill' drug users"

After winning elections in May this year he has urged citizens to kill suspected drug users and dealers

so I think casual users are fair game unless of course the Daily Mail are overblowing it.

Gmol · 15-07-2016 05:33PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not in the mood for reading back, so quick question:

Has anyone asked how the define between an addict and a casual user?

Asking for a friend

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2016 06:24PM

ScumLord wrote: »

They don't, he actually says you can shoot any suspected drug addict. You don't even need proof the other person is an actual addict. It's a perfect opportunity for people to carry out revenge killings or even for he's supporters to kill off he's opposition.

jaykay74 wrote: »

Well the headline is

so I think casual users are fair game unless of course the Daily Mail are overblowing it.

Sweet Lord, and people want to bring that in here...? Would be carnage - you could walk into a pub, let loose and be branded a hero.

Gmol wrote: »

Asking for a friend

Just checking before I book that flight to Manilla....

NegativeCreep · 15-07-2016 06:43PM

The Philippines - A paradise for people with murderous tendencies.

Arcade_Tryer · 15-07-2016 06:51PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

The Philippines - A paradise for people with murderous tendencies.

I think situations like these used to be referred to as murder. And genocide..

And while they were always viewed as necessary by those carrying out the acts, it's quite worrying that people in Ireland would condone such behavior! World going one way. People another.

RDM_83 again · 15-07-2016 07:35PM

timmyntc wrote: »

It worked in that all the other non-IRA dealers were put out of business, but I'm pretty sure the ra just wanted the market to themselves.

maudgonner wrote: »

Did it? Did it really?

Look at the difference between areas that are/were dominated by Republican vs Loyalists, Ballymena for example used to be ridden with Heroin.

Derry AFAIK has a decent bit of pills and hash floating around but compared to a city like Limerick or Athlone which have fairly similar demographic and levels of poverty it doesn't have anything even approaching the Heroin problem so on balance I think it probably works for harder drugs.

I think when people make these statements they have never lived in NI or are making a judgment of an area they don't know the background too.

The flying mouse · 18-08-2016 03:43PM

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte said he "does not care" about human rights and will maintain his "shoot-to-kill" order for drug dealers until the last day of his term.

Under his orders, the country has launched a massive hunt for people involved in drug sales and roughly 800 people are reported to have been killed since May, when Duterte came to power.

Following these killings in the country, police said that more than 500,000 people have surrendered to the local authorities and vowed to permanently give up use of illegal drugs.

The president has hit back at critics saying it is "none of their business".

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiUo5yGmMvOAhWE7BQKHVDXC1wQFggwMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.co.uk%2Fphilippines-rodrigo-duterte-says-shoot-kill-order-remain-until-last-day-his-term-1574657&usg=AFQjCNEbgv6hO96F012hOIHJ7AcI0wq0AA

What you think AH ? Is this the way to go, stop your drug dealing or die.

I don't know what to think, sounds good and effective, at the start, but suppose it be only a matter of time before the drugs gangs get better armed and start fighting back ,ie Mexico.

Would we not be better of just legalising and government controlling drugs than doing this ?

murpho999 · 18-08-2016 03:46PM

Populist rubbish that will lead to the death of innocent people. This man sounds dangerous.

Skylinehead · 18-08-2016 03:46PM

Fixed the incredibly shouty thread title

The King of Moo · 18-08-2016 03:48PM

It's a good thing that drug dealers easily identifiable by their canes, feathered hats, and fur coats, otherwise there'd be a risk of innocent people getting shot!

Peregrine · 18-08-2016 03:49PM

A recipe for disaster.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-08-2016 03:50PM

The flying mouse wrote: »

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte said he "does not care" about human rights and will maintain his "shoot-to-kill" order for drug dealers until the last day of his term.

Under his orders, the country has launched a massive hunt for people involved in drug sales and roughly 800 people are reported to have been killed since May, when Duterte came to power.

Following these killings in the country, police said that more than 500,000 people have surrendered to the local authorities and vowed to permanently give up use of illegal drugs.

The president has hit back at critics saying it is "none of their business".

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiUo5yGmMvOAhWE7BQKHVDXC1wQFggwMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.co.uk%2Fphilippines-rodrigo-duterte-says-shoot-kill-order-remain-until-last-day-his-term-1574657&usg=AFQjCNEbgv6hO96F012hOIHJ7AcI0wq0AA

What you think AH ? Is this the way to go, stop your drug dealing or die.

I don't know what to think, sounds good and effective, at the start, but suppose it be only a matter of time before the drugs gangs get better armed and start fighting back ,ie Mexico.

Would we not be better of just legalising and government controlling drugs than doing this ?

Already havea thread on this:

it;s not just abusers, it;s users as well. Alcohol is a drug. No prizes for guessing what he's just legalised.

Help!!!! · 18-08-2016 03:58PM

Every adult should be allowed to have 1-2 marijuana plants in their home for personal use. It would keep people away from dealers so less chance of being around harder drugs.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-08-2016 04:02PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Every adult should be allowed to have 1-2 marijuana plants in their home for personal use. It would keep people away from dealers so less chance of being around harder drugs.

Harder drugs such as...?

kowloon · 18-08-2016 04:03PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Every adult should be allowed to have 1-2 marijuana plants in their home for personal use. It would keep people away from dealers so less chance of being around harder drugs.

What about people who are terrible gardeners?

Help!!!! · 18-08-2016 04:08PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Harder drugs such as...?

Heroin, cocaine met etc

18-08-2016 04:11PM

Inner Dublin City would certainly be looking very sparse if this was done here.

Philippines - shoot dealers and addicts

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