Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Book readers"

CMOTDibbler

baza Rakus wrote: »

Feminist Killjoys? I don't know that house, are they from the Iron Islands?

I think they were originally from Dorne. The Tower of (Kill)joy was their seat until the male line was wiped out leaving only the female (or feminist killjoys).

DeadHand

PopePalpatine wrote: »

What book plotlines do you think were "mutilated by feminist killjoys"? The original plot of the Sand Snakes in the books was to put Myrcella on the Iron Throne. Was it because the "alpha male" Ramsey Snow was humiliated by a woman right before he died?

There you go putting words in my mouth in an attempt to tar me as some kind of bitter Neanderthal.

What a stupid, prejudicial, condescending, disingenuous post.

To clarify, I'm perfectly happy with most of the plot. Sansa winning out was believable and satisfying as we saw her get smacked around and outplayed for so long but survive, evolve and prevail. Helped by the fact the actress did should an excellent job. Ditto Arya. Ditto Dany. The Yara Greyjoy plot line works too in that she's had/has her difficulties with Balon and Euron but the protrayal is so good you can believe in her. Ladies Mormont and Oleanna are absolute crackers.

Brienne vs. The Hound was partly a sop to the same crowd but was so brilliantly done I neither regret it or complain about it.

What hasn't been well done has been the Sandsnakes vs. Doran or, indeed, anything to do with them. Read back a few posts and you'll see I advanced a clearly superior way to abridge and progress the Dorne storyline. Now, D&D are obviously smarter and better storytellers than I so other factors must be at play here. It's clear they were by political considerations to ruin this aspect of the plot. Ellaria and the teenage mutant ninja turtles had to win against all logic and plot sense to placate certain sections.

DeadHand

As always, easier to sneer than argue.

CMOTDibbler

DeadHand wrote: »

There you go putting words in my mouth in an attempt to tar me as some kind of bitter Neanderthal.

What a stupid, prejudicial, condescending, disingenuous post.

To clarify, I'm perfectly happy with most of the plot. Sansa winning out was believable and satisfying as we saw her get smacked around and outplayed for so long but survive, evolve and prevail. Helped by the fact the actress did should an excellent job. Ditto Arya. Ditto Dany. The Yara Greyjoy plot line works too in that she's had/has her difficulties with Balon and Euron but the protrayal is so good you can believe in her. Ladies Mormont and Oleanna are absolute crackers.

Brienne vs. The Hound was a slight sop to the same crowd but was so brilliantly done I neither regret it or complain about it.

What hasn't been well done has been the Sandsnakes vs. Doran or, indeed, anything to do with them. Read back a few posts and you'll see I advanced a clearly superior way to abridge and progress the Dorne storyline. Now, D&D are obviously smarter and better storytellers than I so other factors must be at play here. It's clear they were by political considerations to ruin this aspect of the plot. Ellaria and the teenage mutant ninja turtles had to win against all logic and plot sense to placate certain sections.

And I put forward the equally clear and obvious likelihood that they've replaced Arianne with Ellaria.

With so many prominent and strong female characters: Sansa, Arya, Brienne, Danaerys, Cersei and Olenna (never mind Margaery and Catelyn) they were under pressure for another?

DeadHand

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

And I put forward the equally clear and obvious likelihood that they've replaced Arianne with Ellaria.

With so many prominent and strong female characters: Sansa, Arya, Brienne, Danaerys, Cersei and Olenna (never mind Margaery and Catelyn) they were under pressure for another?

So many prominent and strong female characters haven't stopped feminists whinging about the show at every available opportunity. They are proceeding with caution lest the harpies descend yet again: the mess that is the Dorne storyline is a symptom of this caution.

PopePalpatine

DeadHand wrote: »

So many prominent and strong female characters haven't stopped feminists whinging about the show at every available opportunity. They are proceeding with caution lest the harpies descend yet again: the mess that is the Dorne storyline is a symptom of this caution.

So a few extreme feminists kick up a fuss about scenes like Sansa getting raped, Sansa nearly getting raped, Craster raping all of his daughters to create more daughters to rape etc. HBO obviously had no problem including all of those regardless of the predicted feminist backlash, I can't see why they wouldn't have carried on with Doran putting the Sand Snakes and Ellaria to death for their treachery and then teaming up with Varys.

baza Rakus

Do The Harpies you refer to form a political block? Or are they group who lobby HBO to carry out their evil doins? Or are they The Harpies of Greek folklore, who carry evil doers to The Furies?? And don't even get me started on Davey Arthur!

I can't keep up with all this mixing of current politics and fantastical myths!

CMOTDibbler

DeadHand wrote: »

As always, easier to sneer than argue.

Sense of humour deficit? Beer is the cure. :pac:

intheclouds

Feminist Killjoys?

Sounds like a heavy metal band.

Can't see what relationship it has with Game of Thrones?

Does anyone really think the show is being written to placate anyone? Brienne was an ass kicker in the books too? I'm confused.

duploelabs

Did Alt Shift X just not bother with the last episode?

Yakuza

rawn wrote: »

I thought the actor playing young Ned was spot on - really enjoyed his scenes! I think the cost of the CGI would have been too much compared to simply using a younger actor.

RobbingBandit

Gotta wonder how different will the book be when it is finally released. Sansa and Arya for one will have very different arcs to the show I think. Same with Cersei Jamie and Kingslanding. Cersei used the wildfire stock to blow up the tower of the hand so how will she tackle the high sparrow and high garden. Hope the book is out by Christmas.

Thargor

She didnt use all the Wildfyre though, she just got the pyromancers to burn the tower, theres a vast stockpile of Wildfyre in Kings Landing to be used at some point.

baza Rakus

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Gotta wonder how different will the book be when it is finally released. Sansa and Arya for one will have very different arcs to the show I think. Same with Cersei Jamie and Kingslanding. Cersei used the wildfire stock to blow up the tower of the hand so how will she tackle the high sparrow and high garden. Hope the book is out by Christmas.

Aye xmas 2020 at this rate.

Paddy Cow

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Gotta wonder how different will the book be when it is finally released. Sansa and Arya for one will have very different arcs to the show I think. Same with Cersei Jamie and Kingslanding. Cersei used the wildfire stock to blow up the tower of the hand so how will she tackle the high sparrow and high garden. Hope the book is out by Christmas.

In the books was LF going to marry Sansa to someone called Harry? I don't think Arya's story will be that different.

rawn

Paddy Cow wrote:

In the books was LF going to marry Sansa to someone called Harry? I don't think Arya's story will be that different.

Yeah but i think his plan regarding sansa is much the same. Give her as many claims to lands as possible then marry her

RobbingBandit

I think his plan is to ruin Sansa so she'll settle for him, while she is in the guise of his bastard alyane littlefinger is in control but if she becomes Sansa again the power reverts to her name and claim on the north.

Cervantes2

Loved the episode.
Just a question: Does Cersei know that Olenna Tyrell helped poison Joffrey? I can't remember if that came up in the previous seasons?

Owryan

Cervantes2 wrote: »

Loved the episode.
Just a question: Does Cersei know that Olenna Tyrell helped poison Joffrey? I can't remember if that came up in the previous seasons?

Don't think so, pretty sure she still thinks it was Sansa/Tyrion, afair she mentioned it in an episode this season

Dravokivich

Cervantes2 wrote: »

Loved the episode.
Just a question: Does Cersei know that Olenna Tyrell helped poison Joffrey? I can't remember if that came up in the previous seasons?

Up until the close of season 6 the show only alluded to littlefinger being involved as far as I can recall.

intheclouds

Dravokivich wrote: »

Up until the close of season 6 the show only alluded to littlefinger being involved as far as I can recall.

Alluded to it?

Was it not obvious Littlefinger was heavily involved by the whole Ser Dontos/Sansa escape while Joffrey was choking to death and then Littlefinger killing Ser Dontos as soon as Sansa was aboard?

Dravokivich

intheclouds wrote: »

Alluded to it?

Was it not obvious Littlefinger was heavily involved by the whole Ser Dontos/Sansa escape while Joffrey was choking to death and then Littlefinger killing Ser Dontos as soon as Sansa was aboard?

I meant with regards to not pointing to anyone else.

Paddy Cow

Dravokivich wrote: »

I meant with regards to not pointing to anyone else.

Olenna was involved as well. She was playing with Sansa's necklace just before Joffrey topped it and I'm pretty sure there was a scene where she said something along the lines to Margery of "did you really think I'd let you marry him?" (or maybe I'm making that up in my mind??? )

xper

In the conversation between Littlefinger and Lady Olenna when they meet at his thrashed brothel in season 5, she says " ... We killed a king together ..."
YouTube

intheclouds

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Olenna was involved as well. She was playing with Sansa's necklace just before Joffrey topped it and I'm pretty sure there was a scene where she said something along the lines to Margery of "did you really think I'd let you marry him?" (or maybe I'm making that up in my mind??? )

xper wrote: »

In the conversation between Littlefinger and Lady Olenna when they meet at his thrashed brothel in season 5, she says " ... We killed a king together ..."
YouTube

Both of these things.

Olenna and Littlefinger were in it together.

jennyjoy

I hate and love Cersei so much

jennyjoy

It was by far the best episode in the show other than when Joffrey died