Farming post Brexit

jfh

So it looks like our neighbours are out.
That was a bit of a shock,

what are the implications?
GBP will fall. So beef trade fecked?
Will others follow suit, referendums called in other countries.
Northern Ireland & Scotland split from UK
Should we be worried or will it all go back to normal after couple of months

djmc

Today could be a good day to buy a car or tractor up the north
I'd say sterling will take some hit when market's open it already has against the dollar
As for farmers here I'm sure it will be used as an excuse to cut prices we receive but if prices are cut any further they won't get the product as they are already paying less than the cost of production.
It will be further compounded if there are cuts to CAP .

50HX

uk farming community are going to regret this one

agriculture unlike here is way down the pecking order in term GDP and thus grant support

me think it will be a few years before things settle after an intiial shock of exiting

nothing can happen over night

good luck to them...brave move and maybe this time 2018 we'll be here looking on in jealousy

AntrimGlens

This is not a good day for us up here. Do not like the implications of this one bit. I am actually in shock.

I said

Well that's the sky tv subscription cancelled.

Willfarman

I said wrote: »

Well that's the sky tv subscription cancelled.

Ah time for calm heads! No Knee jerk reaction., DONT PANIC DONT PANIC

patsy_mccabe

Gate open. Cattle gone.

_Brian

This has to be the death sentence for the EU.

Other right wing groups in countries like France will look to follow. Will France/Germany now carry an increased financial burden, this will be a deal breaker.

aparrently it's a two year process for them to leave. This will bring them up to 2019, doesn't this coincide with cap renegotion ?? I'd say cap funding for countries like Ireland will be badly hit.

We won't be allowed strike a trade deal with the U.K., Brussels won't want leaving to look like a big success and I expect them to play proper hard ball in trade negotiations.

I don't see a positive in this for us.

I'm thinking of my dad, he made quite a living smuggling everything that would go in a van or onto a truck.

Miname

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Gate open. Cattle gone.

Il give you twenty sterling a piece.

Reggie.

**** it. That's the borders back up. Not going to be a quiet weekend

Bullocks

Miname wrote: »

Il give you twenty sterling a piece.

In silver or gold only !!,

CloughCasey1

Reggie. wrote: »

**** it. That's the borders back up. Not going to be a quiet weekend

Do ye know something we don't Reggie?

Reggie.

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Do ye know something we don't Reggie?

Only the army will be deployed to the border again. Lots of manoeuvres in dundalk and bundoran regions the last few months. We are the only land border of eu to England now. How quick it will happen I can't say but we have been told to prepare.

CloughCasey1

How much beef and dairy produce is exported from Britain to rest of EU? Will that be affected and is it something we can tap in on?

_Brian

Wonder now will we pick up on multinationals based in the UK that need a base in the EU.
Might bring in some more good paying jobs with them ?? Surely another English speaking country would be the easiest move ??

tabby aspreme

Reggie. wrote: »

Only the army will be deployed to the border again. Lots of manoeuvres in dundalk and bundoran regions the last few months. We are the only land border of eu to England now. How quick it will happen I can't say but we have been told to prepare.

Enda will announce later today that "we won't stand idley bye "

20silkcut

_Brian wrote: »

This has to be the death sentence for the EU.

Other right wing groups in countries like France will look to follow. Will France/Germany now carry an increased financial burden, this will be a deal breaker.

aparrently it's a two year process for them to leave. This will bring them up to 2019, doesn't this coincide with cap renegotion ?? I'd say cap funding for countries like Ireland will be badly hit.

We won't be allowed strike a trade deal with the U.K., Brussels won't want leaving to look like a big success and I expect them to play proper hard ball in trade negotiations.

I don't see a positive in this for us.

I'm thinking of my dad, he made quite a living smuggling everything that would go in a van or onto a truck.

Whatever about the EU this is definitely the death sentence of the 300 year union of England and Scotland. Northern Ireland's position is looking increasingly tenuous in a more insular looking English parliament.
A quick browse through the last 1000 years of history shows that such upheaval in unions between countries is quite normal.
A partitioned Ireland and a joined England and Scotland is actually a very unusual unnatural scenario in the context of history.

Waffletraktor

_Brian wrote: »

Wonder now will we pick up on multinationals based in the UK that need a base in the EU.
Might bring in some more good paying jobs with them ?? Surely another English speaking country would be the easiest move ??

Depends on the deal struck but ye.

rangler1

The leave campaigners were promising cheaper food imports,
Our agri exports are going to take some hit if that happens

patsy_mccabe

You will see the price of cattle drop over night after this.:mad:

ganmo

rangler1 wrote: »

The leave campaigners were promising cheaper food imports,
Our agri exports are going to take some hit if that happens

Overnight our exports became 10% dearer!

_Brian

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You will see the price of cattle drop over night after this.:mad:

Ha, we chose a few heifers to offload just yesterday evening, plan was to sell in two weeks, don't think that will happen now.

blue5000

Just looking at a map of EU with UK gone we are very isolated, we are nearly as far from EU now as Iceland is from us.

I reckon the border will be on the coast of N. Ireland, we've all got used to free travel, and both N.Ireland and Scotland voted to remain in EU.

I think the price of beef could be the least of our problems. An awful lot depends on trade deals now.

At least I don't have shares in ryanair;););)

paddysdream

Listening to the radio this morning you would swear the world had ended.Rte seem to think this is the worst thing since the last worst thing that happened.
Could end up like the y2k scare,the "we are all gonna die from bird flu" scare,the post 9.11 terrorism scare,the sellafield cancer scare,the chernobyl scare,the ozone hole layer etc etc.
Bet you all that in 5 years time nobody will even remember the details.

Chances of the Irish army being deployed back on the border this year ?Laughable and an example of the hyperbole people feel is necessary to be seen to be taking this in a serious manner.
Nobody died and talks will drag out for years.

_Brian

Mortgage is a very sweet 0.45 on top of base rate with Ulster Bank.

How the hell is this going to work out ?? My mortgage will be with a non eu bank ??

Reggie.

paddysdream wrote: »

Chances of the Irish army being deployed back on the border this year ?Laughable and an example of the hyperbole people feel is necessary to be seen to be taking this in a serious manner.
Nobody died and talks will drag out for years.

Say what ya like but we have been preparing to be deployed. Anyone on the border region will have noticed that the border patrols from finner camp and dundalk bks started back up around 2 months ago.

paddysdream

Reggie. wrote: »

Say what ya like but we have been preparing to be deployed. Anyone on the border region will have noticed that the border patrols from finner camp and dundalk bks started back up around 2 months ago.

Actual exit ,if it even happens ,will take 2 plus years at a minimum.Thats without taking into account any Irish/British agreement re. our common border.
In reality the "border" ceased to exist years ago and chances are that it will not be reappearing anytime soon.
Increased border patrols sound like some civil servants wet dream to show how ready and aware he was of the terrible threat brexit would pose to the lives of those living in close proximity to non believers(in the all powerful cult of the EU)

orm0nd

keep calm,

nothing is going to happen overnight,

long term implications don't look too good however.

don't go making any rash decisions or changes

Reggie.

paddysdream wrote: »

Actual exit ,if it even happens ,will take 2 plus years at a minimum.Thats without taking into account any Irish/British agreement re. our common border.
In reality the "border" ceased to exist years ago and chances are that it will not be reappearing anytime soon.
Increased border patrols sound like some civil servants wet dream to show how ready and aware he was of the terrible threat brexit would pose to the lives of those living in close proximity to non believers(in the all powerful cult of the EU)

You stated the army would not be deployed and it was only scaremongering on people's part to say so and that it was an impossibility. I'm just saying we have been preparing for deployment for a while. The army likes to have all angles covered. Don't know if it will happen or the time frame it will happen as I stated earlier. You hardly think I want to be up there. The BSE birder controls were enough for me.

ganmo

paddysdream wrote: »

Actual exit ,if it even happens ,will take 2 plus years at a minimum.Thats without taking into account any Irish/British agreement re. our common border.
In reality the "border" ceased to exist years ago and chances are that it will not be reappearing anytime soon.
Increased border patrols sound like some civil servants wet dream to show how ready and aware he was of the terrible threat brexit would pose to the lives of those living in close proximity to non believers(in the all powerful cult of the EU)

Any ire/uk deal will have to be part of their eu negeoations. And if there is a border it will have to be in place before they leave so we can close the door after them

Willfarman

paddysdream wrote: »

Actual exit ,if it even happens ,will take 2 plus years at a minimum.Thats without taking into account any Irish/British agreement re. our common border.
In reality the "border" ceased to exist years ago and chances are that it will not be reappearing anytime soon.
Increased border patrols sound like some civil servants wet dream to show how ready and aware he was of the terrible threat brexit would pose to the lives of those living in close proximity to non believers(in the all powerful cult of the EU)

This is not the time for talking sense like that... This is worst thing to happen here since..

Well since the last worst thing.

Willfarman

orm0nd wrote: »

keep calm,

nothing is going to happen overnight,

long term implications don't look too good however.

don't go making any rash decisions or changes

Jesus I can't decide what to do with my rash!

Reggie.

Willfarman wrote: »

This is not the time for talking sense like that... This is worst thing to happen here since..

Well since the last worst thing.

Don't worry lads. If we end up on the border I'll look after ye first crossing with the did bit if machinery/cattle. After the appropriate admin fee is paid but there will be a boardsie discount of course

tabby aspreme

How long will it be until French farmers are blocking non Eu British imports

Willfarman

Reggie. wrote: »

Don't worry lads. If we end up on the border I'll look after ye first crossing with the did bit if machinery/cattle. After the appropriate admin fee is paid but there will be a boardsie discount of course

Remember Enda claiming to have the army mobilised to defend the ATMs in one of the worst things to happen lately.. Thank god we we have a steady hand on the helm. Enda would know what to with a rash now if a decision has to be made.

Waffletraktor

tabby aspreme wrote: »

How long will it be until French farmers are blocking non Eu British imports

Depends if rumors are correct if they want to ban potentially the Dutch and The Italians also!

Reggie.

Willfarman wrote: »

Remember Enda claiming to have the army mobilised to defend the ATMs in one of the worst things to happen lately.. Thank god we we have a steady hand on the helm. Enda would know what to with a rash now if a decision has to be made.

Ah Enda is sound

kowtow

_Brian wrote:

How the hell is this going to work out ?? My mortgage will be with a non eu bank ??

No change at all I would say.

kowtow

Note that UK markets are down much less than EU markets. Sterling is no worse than it was in the thinly traded Asian market overnight.

There's a very bumpy road ahead, but they are more agile as a country than they were yesterday. Also a huge political boil has been lanced so in some ways I would say the sense of a new freedom is tangible.

What was notable in the campaign is that even those who wanted to stay in could hardly be described as fans of the eu... there is no passion for it.

TITANIUM.

Reggie. wrote: »

You stated the army would not be deployed and it was only scaremongering on people's part to say so and that it was an impossibility. I'm just saying we have been preparing for deployment for a while. The army likes to have all angles covered. Don't know if it will happen or the time frame it will happen as I stated earlier. You hardly think I want to be up there. The BSE birder controls were enough for me.

Thanks be to god I was in the LEB for that.
Last time I was stationed on the border was 99. I'd say our 21 will be nearly up by the time we see boots on the ground up there not taking into account familiarisiation patrols etc. It's looking like it would be 2 years from next October at the earliest that any border would be re-established if ever. I'm hearing the same talk as yourself but allot of that is the lad's on the big bucks wanting to show that they have there contingency planning done. And tis us clowns will have to do the hard yards so they can tick a box.

122 million wiped off the ftse100. The largest historical drop of sterling v dollar. The brits might have allot of short term pain. I don't think it'll be the doomsday scenario that some are predicting but it'll make things more awkward if nothing else. People don't like change as a rule.

I wonder since the vote was so close is there any chance of a second referendum like we had with Lisbon?

kowtow

TITANIUM. wrote:

I wonder since the vote was so close is there any chance of a second referendum like we had with Lisbon?

No, but the delay to October of invoking article 50 is a very pragmatic step which would allow room for a Norway/ Swiss option or some sort of modified offer from the EU should any of those materialise.

pedigree 6

djmc wrote: »

Today could be a good day to buy a car or tractor up the north
I'd say sterling will take some hit when market's open it already has against the dollar
.

If it does drop I wouldn't limit yourself to buying a car on the day of the drop.
I'd exchange euro for sterling when/if it does drop and even it goes back up the next day or change your mind about buying you could potentially have nice profit.

Looks like the uk won't have to worry about a ban on round up now or nitrate regulations:P


The worlds not falling down.

Buford T. Justice XIX

I imagine there will be negotiations and a more attractive deal offered to Britain so they can reconsider their position in a second vote.

Seeing as Britain is our biggest trading partner by far, is it time for us to consider an Irexit?

Willfarman

pedigree 6 wrote: »

If it does drop I wouldn't limit yourself to buying a car on the day of the drop.
I'd exchange euro for sterling when/if it does drop and even it goes back up the next day or change your mind about buying you could potentially have nice profit.

Looks like the uk won't have to worry about a ban on round up now or nitrate regulations:P


The worlds not falling down.

80 p to the euro. Nothing to get excited about.

Buford T. Justice XIX

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rangler1

According to the vote, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales wanted to stay in,
Interesting times ahead for Great Britain

greenfield21

Well milk is already ****ed so I can't see things getting worse.

kowtow

rangler1 wrote:

According to the vote, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales wanted to stay in, Interesting times ahead for Great Britain

Wales voted out.. don't know why but they did.

Scotland voted in, NI also but with less determination than expected.

London likewise.

The real divide here, and it's an interesting one, is between those in the metropolitan bubble and those outside it. I suspect that divide exists in more EU countries than people would care to admit, our own included.

TITANIUM.

Reggie. wrote: »

You stated the army would not be deployed and it was only scaremongering on people's part to say so and that it was an impossibility. I'm just saying we have been preparing for deployment for a while. The army likes to have all angles covered. Don't know if it will happen or the time frame it will happen as I stated earlier. You hardly think I want to be up there. The BSE birder controls were enough for me.

Thanks be to god I was in the LEB for that.
Last time I was stationed on the border was 99. I'd say our 21 will be nearly up by the time we see boots on the ground up there not taking into account familiarisiation patrols etc. It's looking like it would be 2 years from next October at the earliest that any border would be re-established if ever. I'm hearing the same talk as yourself but allot of that is the lad's on the big bucks wanting to show that they have there contingency planning done. And tis us clowns will have to do the hard yards so they can tick a box.

122 million wiped off the ftse100. The largest historical drop of sterling v dollar. The brits might have allot of short term pain. I don't think it'll be the doomsday scenario that some are predicting but it'll make things more awkward if nothing else. People don't like change as a rule.

I wonder since the vote was so close is there any chance of a second referendum like we had with Lisbon?

kowtow

same_thing wrote:

its a london v the rest of england thing , london is very rich , the rest of england is not especially wealthy , london thrived under globalisation due to its banking industry , the rest of england saw immigrants drag down wages in what were already modest wage job sectors

I wasn't referring to urban vs rural but the "metropolitan elite"... politically correct and out of touch vs the "man on the street".... wherever they live... characatures I know, but not without reason.

Perhaps the metropolitan elite were too heavily stuck in the traffic and mud of Glastonbury to get to the polling station?

kowtow

Anyway, in an attempt to stick to the title of the post..

UK milk more competitive..

Us milk less competitive...

Oil down (milk proxy)

UK exports to Russia?

Roundup + nitrates are cheaper for a uk farm minister than CAP.

Ireland special supports from eu?

ECB may have to gun the printing presses to keep the project on the rails.

Greece deal? Effect of a soft deal for greece on Irish voters?