Ulster Bank League 2016-2017 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

The Lost Sheep

May as well create new thread to discuss new coaching set ups/rumours as well as transfer rumours etc

Divisions for next season:
Division 1A:
Clontarf, Cork Constitution, Young Munster, UCD, Garryowen, Old Belvedere, Lansdowne, Terenure College, St. Mary's College, Dublin University

Division 1B:
Ballynahinch, Galwegians, Ballymena, Buccaneers, Old Wesley, Shannon, Dolphin, UL Bohemians, Naas, UCC

Division 2A:
Blackrock College, Belfast Harlequins, Banbridge, Cashel, Nenagh Ormond, Malone, Queen's University, Corinthians, Highfield, Sunday's Well

Division 2B:
Skerries, Thomond, City of Derry, Greystones, Armagh, MU Barnhall, Dunganon, Bective Rangers, Old Crescent, Wanderers

Division 2C:
Rainey Old Boys, Seapoint, Tullamore, Bruff, Midleton, Navan, Kanturk, Boyne, Sligo, Bangor

IRFU announced a few weeks ago that the existing league structure will remain in place until at least the end of the 2017/18 season.
But that there could be changes in the number of fully contracted players who can be in the match day squad in divisions 1 and that It may increase up to a max of four, of which two can be forwards.
The Participation Criteria will remain in place, including the requirement for a Second XV playing in an appropriate second team competition in their province.
The Club Support Scheme financial allocations will be aligned to participation criteria to reward clubs who achieve such criteria And The Player Points System will be retained.

Coaching changes
- Galwegians are looking for a new coaching team as Matt Brown is stepping down as head coach and John Muldoon is not continuing as assistant coach

- Gearoid Prendergast is the new head coach of Young Munster and he will be assisted by Ian Keatley, John Staunton and current captain Ger Slattery.

Transfer News
Any rumours??

wp_rathead

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Coaching changes
- Galwegians are looking for a new coaching team as Matt Brown is stepping down as head coach and John Muldoon is not continuing as assistant coach

I wonder would George Noupou consider being a Player-Coach, had good success with the Womens team who won All-Ireland Cup and he looks like he could well play another season or two himself

Stainalert

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

May as well create new thread to discuss new coaching set ups/rumours as well as transfer rumours etc

Divisions for next season:
Division 1A:
Clontarf, Cork Constitution, Young Munster, UCD, Garryowen, Old Belvedere, Lansdowne, Terenure College, St. Mary's College, Dublin University

Division 1B:
Ballynahinch, Galwegians, Ballymena, Buccaneers, Old Wesley, Shannon, Dolphin, UL Bohemians, Naas, UCC

Division 2A:
Blackrock College, Belfast Harlequins, Banbridge, Cashel, Nenagh Ormond, Malone, Queen's University, Corinthians, Highfield, Sunday's Well

Division 2B:
Skerries, Thomond, City of Derry, Greystones, Armagh, MU Barnhall, Dunganon, Bective Rangers, Old Crescent, Wanderers

Division 2C:
Rainey Old Boys, Seapoint, Tullamore, Bruff, Midleton, Navan, Kanturk, Boyne, Sligo, Bangor

IRFU announced a few weeks ago that the existing league structure will remain in place until at least the end of the 2017/18 season.
But that there could be changes in the number of fully contracted players who can be in the match day squad in divisions 1 and that It may increase up to a max of four, of which two can be forwards.
The Participation Criteria will remain in place, including the requirement for a Second XV playing in an appropriate second team competition in their province.
The Club Support Scheme financial allocations will be aligned to participation criteria to reward clubs who achieve such criteria And The Player Points System will be retained.

Coaching changes
- Galwegians are looking for a new coaching team as Matt Brown is stepping down as head coach and John Muldoon is not continuing as assistant coach

- Gearoid Prendergast is the new head coach of Young Munster and he will be assisted by Ian Keatley, John Staunton and current captain Ger Slattery.

Transfer News
Any rumours??

Dave Sherry & Shane McInerney (Both Garryowen) & Sean Coughlan to Old Belvedere
Adam Griggs (Lansdowne) to Old Wesley - Player coach
Patrick O'Driscoll (Lansdowne) to St Marys

godzillaie

Mark Best - Belfast Harlequins to Ballymena

turtleshead

Stainalert wrote: »

Dave Sherry & Shane McInerney (Both Garryowen) & Sean Coughlan to Old Belvedere
Adam Griggs (Lansdowne) to Old Wesley - Player coach
Patrick O'Driscoll (Lansdowne) to St Marys

Should probably read James McInerney..... Silly season has started in Limerick.....

Garryowen are also losing Jordan Coughlan, Shane Buckley, to Nottingham and rumours doing the rounds in Limerick are that they are losing Josh Hirsct who is going back to NZ and Aaron McCloskey is going back to Young Munster so that is practically their back 5 decimated but am sure they will pick up a few new players.

YM have picked up a few think Luke O'Halloran is supposed to have returned after a year with Shannon, McCloskey as mentioned above and will have Calvin Nash from the Crescent comp who will go straight into the first team, already played in a Junior Cup and Senior Cup finals, Cian Bohane is rumoured to have joined as well from Dolphin. They are losing Gearoid Lyons so will need to pick up a quality 10.

Shannon have signed a few out of school from Ard Scoil as expected but lost Tadhg Bennet and heard that Dave O'Donovan has retired

havent heard much about Bohs n the player front Prendergast and Don O'Sullivan left them to go to YM but Keith Mathews is due to take over as coach

The Lost Sheep

turtleshead wrote: »

Should probably read James McInerney..... Silly season has started in Limerick.....

Garryowen are also losing Jordan Coughlan, Shane Buckley, to Nottingham and rumours doing the rounds in Limerick are that they are losing Josh Hirsct who is going back to NZ and Aaron McCloskey is going back to Young Munster so that is practically their back 5 decimated but am sure they will pick up a few new players.

YM have picked up a few think Luke O'Halloran is supposed to have returned after a year with Shannon, McCloskey as mentioned above and will have Calvin Nash from the Crescent comp who will go straight into the first team, already played in a Junior Cup and Senior Cup finals, Cian Bohane is rumoured to have joined as well from Dolphin. They are losing Gearoid Lyons so will need to pick up a quality 10.

Shannon have signed a few out of school from Ard Scoil as expected but lost Tadhg Bennet and heard that Dave O'Donovan has retired

havent heard much about Bohs n the player front Prendergast and Don O'Sullivan left them to go to YM but Keith Mathews is due to take over as coach

Its silly season in Dublin/Limerick every season at this time of the year...
Davey O Donovan was mentioned in papers that he's retiring but I wouldn't be surprised to see him tog out if Shannon really needed a win in a few games next season....

RuPi

A fair bit of movement up in Ulster, all Development and fully contracted players assigned to Hinch and Ballymena with the majority of academy and sub academy given a choice where to go

Conall Boomer to Ballymena and Brett Herron assigned following his move to Ulster.

Banbridge have recruited well, Andy McGrath from Ballymena, Michael Cromie from Rotherham and Ian Porter from Connacht

Queen's retaining all their academy players and have got Jonny Stewart the Ireland School's scrum half.

Malone have Keiran Joyce and Michael Shiels from Ballymena, Marc McCrea returns from Jersey.

Armagh have Chris Colvin returning from New Zealand and Ali Birch from Rotherham.

James McKinney talking to a few clubs apparently after leaving Rotherham.

Rumours that City of Derry could be losing up to 8 of their Senior Squad.

godzillaie

RuPi wrote: »

A fair bit of movement up in Ulster, all Development and fully contracted players assigned to Hinch and Ballymena with the majority of academy and sub academy given a choice where to go

Conall Boomer to Ballymena and Brett Herron assigned following his move to Ulster.

Banbridge have recruited well, Andy McGrath from Ballymena, Michael Cromie from Rotherham and Ian Porter from Connacht

Queen's retaining all their academy players and have got Jonny Stewart the Ireland School's scrum half.

Malone have Keiran Joyce and Michael Shiels from Ballymena, Marc McCrea returns from Jersey.

Armagh have Chris Colvin returning from New Zealand and Ali Birch from Rotherham.

James McKinney talking to a few clubs apparently after leaving Rotherham.

Who has joined academy?

Boomer, McBurney, Stewart, any other names?

Zach McCall?
Marcus Rea?

RuPi

Both McCall and Rea have and both are at QUB next year. I think Conor Kelly from QUB was being considered, he was named in an Irish Development 7's squad a few weeks ago. Tommy O'Hagan from Rainey OB's is also joining the academy, primarily a loose head but I think can play both sides.

Matthew Rea from Ballymena (Marcus's older brother) has got a development deal.

There is always a few late joiners to the Academy, so wouldn't be surprised to see an exile popping up from somewhere and may be 1 of the Under 20's from Leinster who doesn't get an Academy deal. Jesse Iredale from Belvedere College had been mentioned.

godzillaie

RuPi wrote: »

Both McCall and Rea have and both are at QUB next year. I think Conor Kelly from QUB was being considered, he was named in an Irish Development 7's squad a few weeks ago. Tommy O'Hagan from Rainey OB's is also joining the academy, primarily a loose head but I think can play both sides.

Matthew Rea from Ballymena (Marcus's older brother) has got a development deal.

There is always a few late joiners to the Academy, so wouldn't be surprised to see an exile popping up from somewhere and may be 1 of the Under 20's from Leinster who doesn't get an Academy deal. Jesse Iredale from Belvedere College had been mentioned.

Iredale is u20 next year, heard he wa training with Ulster academy this summer alright.. essentially joining their u20 team. Best chance og making it pro for him is converting to prop IMO.

Heard Greg Jones heavily linked with Ulster after no Leinster deal pre World Cup.

so.
Tommy O'Hagan(Prop)
Zach McCall(Hooker)
Adam McBurney(Hooker)
Conal Boomer(Backrow)
Marcus Rea(Backrow)
Jonny Stewart(Scrumhalf)
Conor Kelly(Wing/Fullback)

Plus a few more.

Matthew Rea is an impressive AIL backrow, likely a 6 like his brother.

RuPi

Kelly was only muted not a definite. Aaron Hall an openside is in from the Under 18 Clubs, unsure of what club he is joining. Rory Butler a centre is also in, he was sub academy last year but had a long term injury, had played Ireland Schools, similar mould to Stuart McCloskey I think. He is leaving Ballymena for Queen's and Jack Owens also in the academy is moving to Malone, to try and loosely keep this UBL related.

Ricky Andrew is returning from Nottingham and has been linked to Rainey OB and Ballymena.

godzillaie

RuPi wrote: »

Kelly was only muted not a definite. Aaron Hall an openside is in from the Under 18 Clubs, unsure of what club he is joining. Rory Butler a centre is also in, he was sub academy last year but had a long term injury, had played Ireland Schools, similar mould to Stuart McCloskey I think. He is leaving Ballymena for Queen's and Jack Owens also in the academy is moving to Malone, to try and loosely keep this UBL related.

Ricky Andrew is returning from Nottingham and has been linked to Rainey OB and Ballymena.

Thanks, Hall/Butler are in academy?

I was wondering what happened to Butler?

RuPi

godzillaie wrote: »

RuPi wrote: »

Kelly was only muted not a definite. Aaron Hall an openside is in from the Under 18 Clubs, unsure of what club he is joining. Rory Butler a centre is also in, he was sub academy last year but had a long term injury, had played Ireland Schools, similar mould to Stuart McCloskey I think. He is leaving Ballymena for Queen's and Jack Owens also in the academy is moving to Malone, to try and loosely keep this UBL related.

Ricky Andrew is returning from Nottingham and has been linked to Rainey OB and Ballymena.

Thanks, Hall/Butler are in academy?

I was wondering what happened to Butler?

Yep both in the Academy.

godzillaie

RuPi wrote: »

Yep both in the Academy.

Thanks, like the look of Hall.

Assume John McCusker will be added, could still be in school.

RuPi

godzillaie wrote: »

RuPi wrote: »

Yep both in the Academy.

Thanks, like the look of Hall.

Assume John McCusker will be added, could still be in school.

Still in school as is Dalton, Hume and Clarke from the 18's this year. The 19's in Ulster should be fairly strong this year.

godzillaie

RuPi wrote: »

Still in school as is Dalton, Hume and Clarke from the 18's this year. The 19's in Ulster should be fairly strong this year.

Tom O'Toole still in school too?

Yeah they should be.

Braken

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Its silly season in Dublin/Limerick every season at this time of the year...
Davey O Donovan was mentioned in papers that he's retiring but I wouldn't be surprised to see him tog out if Shannon really needed a win in a few games next season....

I think Mulally is also gone from Shannon,Tobin who was badly injured 2 years ago is now back fully fit I hear...

The Lost Sheep

Ray Hogan and Ivan Muldoon new coaches in Nenagh I believe.

Tarf1234

Tarf transfers I've heard are Cian O'Donoghue from Lansdowne, Jack Power (UCD), Alan Hughes (Rock) and the O'Brien brothers (Old Wesley). Will hopefully do very well out of 20s recruitment 2.

The Sceptic

When are the fixtures been announced for 2016 / 2017?

RuPi

The Sceptic wrote: »

When are the fixtures been announced for 2016 / 2017?

Clubs have been told mid July but no exact date was given.

Stainalert

Hearing Wanderers have picked up a fair few players from Dublin 1A / 1B clubs

Tarf1234

Stainalert wrote: »

Hearing Wanderers have picked up a fair few players from Dublin 1A / 1B clubs

No surprise there. They seem to pick up a few fringe/ok players every year and succeed in doing nothing! I'll be interested to see how many have left Trin and where they are going. Rumour is a good few are moving on.

Tarf1234

Schedule apparently is out but I haven't seen it. I've been told there is a 7 week gap over xmas. Not sure of the exact dates thereof.

James Ryan has signed for UCD. Himself and Thornbury with a front row of Porter, McNulty and Loughman will make a very formidable tight 5. Dan Leavy, Paeder Timmons and Will Connors will be a sick pack if they can get them all out at once.

wows

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Schedule apparently is out but I haven't seen it. I've been told there is a 7 week gap over xmas. Not sure of the exact dates thereof.

James Ryan has signed for UCD. Himself and Thornbury with a front row of Porter, McNulty and Loughman will make a very formidable tight 5. Dan Leavy, Paeder Timmons and Will Connors will be a sick pack if they can get them all out at once.

they have Greg Jones too unless he moves North.

wouldn't expect to see Leavy much though.

The Lost Sheep

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Schedule apparently is out but I haven't seen it. I've been told there is a 7 week gap over xmas. Not sure of the exact dates thereof.

James Ryan has signed for UCD. Himself and Thornbury with a front row of Porter, McNulty and Loughman will make a very formidable tight 5. Dan Leavy, Paeder Timmons and Will Connors will be a sick pack if they can get them all out at once.

Gap could be ok at Christmas but at same time I always found crowds went up if you got right game rather close to Christmas....
Would be very very surprised if UCD ever got a pack like that out in a game.

And Brian McClearn is new coach with Wegians

Tarf1234

Don't expect that pack to take the field either was more just pointing out that it is a possibility.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if they get a little bit of Leavey.

The games around Christmas always seem to be an absolute nuisance to the players.

The Lost Sheep

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Don't expect that pack to take the field either was more just pointing out that it is a possibility.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if they get a little bit of Leavey.

The games around Christmas always seem to be an absolute nuisance to the players.

Look we've argued about it before but January 2nd games were a nuisance to some players but it could be argued it could help crowds.
How much of a break around Christmas/New Year do you want?
This season will be helped by No world cup.

What would your ideal season lay out be?

ArmchairQB

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Look we've argued about it before but January 2nd games were a nuisance to some players but it could be argued it could help crowds.
How much of a break around Christmas/New Year do you want?
This season will be helped by No world cup.

What would your ideal season lay out be?

Playing up until December 17th would be great as clubs could have Christmas parties following last game and back around the 7th of Jan is fine but not any earlier. No games during home internationals either as funny enough players enjoy the day out whether going or not.

Has James Ryan left Lansdowne? That is a strange move? Usually lads leave Uni to go to clubs very rarely the other way around. Must be the Andy Skeahan love in factor as new coach and a Michael's re-union. UCD must have serious options at 2nd row. Molony, McMahon, Thornbury, Ryan, Treacy from Under 20s last year and Reagan as well plus I know I am forgetting one or two? Is Jack Dwan there as well

wows

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Playing up until December 17th would be great as clubs could have Christmas parties following last game and back around the 7th of Jan is fine but not any earlier. No games during home internationals either as funny enough players enjoy the day out whether going or not.

Has James Ryan left Lansdowne? That is a strange move? Usually lads leave Uni to go to clubs very rarely the other way around. Must be the Andy Skeahan love in factor as new coach and a Michael's re-union. UCD must have serious options at 2nd row. Molony, McMahon, Thornbury, Ryan, Treacy from Under 20s last year and Reagan as well plus I know I am forgetting one or two? Is Jack Dwan there as well

I'd say Molony is finished playing for UCD.

Tarf1234

ArmchairQB wrote: »

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Look we've argued about it before but January 2nd games were a nuisance to some players but it could be argued it could help crowds.
How much of a break around Christmas/New Year do you want?
This season will be helped by No world cup.

What would your ideal season lay out be?

Playing up until December 17th would be great as clubs could have Christmas parties following last game and back around the 7th of Jan is fine but not any earlier. No games during home internationals either as funny enough players enjoy the day out whether going or not.

Has James Ryan left Lansdowne? That is a strange move? Usually lads leave Uni to go to clubs very rarely the other way around. Must be the Andy Skeahan love in factor as new coach and a Michael's re-union. UCD must have serious options at 2nd row. Molony, McMahon, Thornbury, Ryan, Treacy from Under 20s last year and Reagan as well plus I know I am forgetting one or two? Is Jack Dwan there as well

I wasn't trying to bring up the 2nd of Jan argument at all!!!

If I'm honest I think it would be nigh on impossible to have a 'perfect' layout with the amount of pro and A games on. We are always going to be hampered to a certain extent by the weather and pitch conditions as a result. From a quick chat with a couple of the lads they seem to be pretty happy with 7 weeks although that seems huge to me. I wouldn't have thought coaches would be as keen on 7 weeks off.

I'd be happy with Armchairs suggestion. Possibly Friday nights where possible on the last game prior to Xmas. I just think so close to after xmas is asking a lot of the players.

Ye very odd move from Ryan. He would have been potentially the key player for Lansdowne with Beirne gone too they'll be very light in the 2nd row if they don't recruit well. I really don't like the idea of having that many players at one club, it really shows the inequality of the current rules.

The Lost Sheep

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Playing up until December 17th would be great as clubs could have Christmas parties following last game and back around the 7th of Jan is fine but not any earlier. No games during home internationals either as funny enough players enjoy the day out whether going or not.

Has James Ryan left Lansdowne? That is a strange move? Usually lads leave Uni to go to clubs very rarely the other way around. Must be the Andy Skeahan love in factor as new coach and a Michael's re-union. UCD must have serious options at 2nd row. Molony, McMahon, Thornbury, Ryan, Treacy from Under 20s last year and Reagan as well plus I know I am forgetting one or two? Is Jack Dwan there as well

I don't know. It really depends on how weekends and day of Christmas Day etc line up.
There is most often not any games on weekends of home internationals but you also will want to avoid home European cup games.
Last season is fairly different to most considering it was a world cup year and a world cup meant a few more weekends where games were not played...

What would your ideal season layout be? In terms of dates of club games and then pro12/Europe/internationals.
You don't want games to clash with many of these etc etc

Tarf1234 wrote: »

I wasn't trying to bring up the 2nd of Jan argument at all!!!

If I'm honest I think it would be nigh on impossible to have a 'perfect' layout with the amount of pro and A games on. We are always going to be hampered to a certain extent by the weather and pitch conditions as a result. From a quick chat with a couple of the lads they seem to be pretty happy with 7 weeks although that seems huge to me. I wouldn't have thought coaches would be as keen on 7 weeks off.

I'd be happy with Armchairs suggestion. Possibly Friday nights where possible on the last game prior to Xmas. I just think so close to after xmas is asking a lot of the players.

Ye very odd move from Ryan. He would have been potentially the key player for Lansdowne with Beirne gone too they'll be very light in the 2nd row if they don't recruit well. I really don't like the idea of having that many players at one club, it really shows the inequality of the current rules.

7 weeks is probably too long but what would your ideal layout be in relation to dates of club games and potential clashes with pro games?

RuPi

Is skehan a bit of a surprise appointment? What is MacNamara's new role with Leinster? I knew he was going but not sure in what capacity. The 7 week break probably is too long but I imagine most coaches will use it like another pre season and give the players a week or two off and then get back into it. The academy inter pro's clash with the first week of AIL which may impact on a few clubs, certainly queens up here could be missing anything up to 8 players.

The Lost Sheep

RuPi wrote: »

Is skehan a bit of a surprise appointment? What is MacNamara's new role with Leinster? I knew he was going but not sure in what capacity. The 7 week break probably is too long but I imagine most coaches will use it like another pre season and give the players a week or two off and then get back into it. The academy inter pro's clash with the first week of AIL which may impact on a few clubs, certainly queens up here could be missing anything up to 8 players.

Is McNamara not Elite Player Development officer??
If 7 weeks is too long then what would you have for a break?
What would your ideal season layout be?
Academy interpros clashing is just the same as u20s clashing.....

connemara man

Brian McClean announced as Galwegians coach for the upcoming season

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/37731.php

ArmchairQB

RuPi wrote: »

Is skehan a bit of a surprise appointment? What is MacNamara's new role with Leinster? I knew he was going but not sure in what capacity. The 7 week break probably is too long but I imagine most coaches will use it like another pre season and give the players a week or two off and then get back into it. The academy inter pro's clash with the first week of AIL which may impact on a few clubs, certainly queens up here could be missing anything up to 8 players.

I was hugely surprised with Skehan appointment. Thought he underperformed massively at Michaels with all the talent that has cone thru there. I could be wrong but don't think it will work out well at UCD for him. He still remains as DOR at Michaels so hedging his bets

The Lost Sheep

connemara man wrote: »

Brian McClean announced as Galwegians coach for the upcoming season

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/37731.php

Mentioned above..

Part of an excellent under 18 all Ireland winning side that involved a large number of guys who played pro or at the very top of the club game

So with some complaining about season layout what would people have as the best in their opinion for the clubs? Bearing in mind provincial games, pro12 and Europe, International games and then the provincial A games

Interesting to see Inst have got Roger Wilson in to help coach and Lewis Stevenson as a player-coach. Should see them back senior very very soon with signings like that...
http://www.instonians.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2689:instonians-rfc-is-delighted-to-announce-its-coaching-structure-for-the-201617-season&catid=29:instonians-rfc-news&Itemid=187

ArmchairQB

Personally and I know alot of players and coaches would prefer if the professional leagues with the possible exception of European, Inter pros & Internationals were not considered when making up the league fixtures. Pro 12 & A games shouldn't stop club rugby games. The union and branches like to hedge their bets and get game time for players if not involved but that is becoming less and less and I know many clubs quietly disgruntled about it. Academy lads should be a bonus if around but teams are increasingly able to cope without them as after year 2 only those not being retained are usually the ones available. The IRFU insist on more professional standards and compliance from clubs but they continue to impose rules to keep them amateur whilst not being able to enforce the rules they have. The system now is worse than it ever was with some clubs in 1a and 1b having no regard what so ever for the rules as they know IRFU can't enforce them. Accomadation, Cars, money being thrown around altough heard from a player moving from a Munster club recently that one of the so called bigger clubs which you would think were culprits refused to pay any benefit aside from helping with a job. Player was schocked as wanted to play for them but went elsewhere for free accomadation. So not all clubs thankfully at it but at least half if not more of each 1a & 1b clubs. Anyway drifting and ranting away from the point. Professional leagues shouldn't in all cases dictate amateur leagues with the exceptions of fixtures as mentioned above as these are the games that players/members/coaches want to go and see and one of the reasons they are/were initially attracted to rugby

The Lost Sheep

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Personally and I know alot of players and coaches would prefer if the professional leagues with the possible exception of European, Inter pros & Internationals were not considered when making up the league fixtures. Pro 12 & A games shouldn't stop club rugby games. The union and branches like to hedge their bets and get game time for players if not involved but that is becoming less and less and I know many clubs quietly disgruntled about it. Academy lads should be a bonus if around but teams are increasingly able to cope without them as after year 2 only those not being retained are usually the ones available. The IRFU insist on more professional standards and compliance from clubs but they continue to impose rules to keep them amateur whilst not being able to enforce the rules they have. The system now is worse than it ever was with some clubs in 1a and 1b having no regard what so ever for the rules as they know IRFU can't enforce them. Accomadation, Cars, money being thrown around altough heard from a player moving from a Munster club recently that one of the so called bigger clubs which you would think were culprits refused to pay any benefit aside from helping with a job. Player was schocked as wanted to play for them but went elsewhere for free accomadation. So not all clubs thankfully at it but at least half if not more of each 1a & 1b clubs. Anyway drifting and ranting away from the point. Professional leagues shouldn't in all cases dictate amateur leagues with the exceptions of fixtures as mentioned above as these are the games that players/members/coaches want to go and see and one of the reasons they are/were initially attracted to rugby

But you have to take into account a lot of these provincial games as clashes between club AIL games and provincial and international games affects attendances and coverage of the club game.
A games affect many clubs in terms of player availability. You have to take all of these into account in some fashion.

ArmchairQB

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

But you have to take into account a lot of these provincial games as clashes between club AIL games and provincial and international games affects attendances and coverage of the club game.
A games affect many clubs in terms of player availability. You have to take all of these into account in some fashion.

A large portion of people attending pro 12 games are not even members of clubs and I think if KO was 2.30pm with pro 12 games on after or recorded and shown later you would have better club afternoons evenings. I personally think time to separate from pro game, either make the clubs more relevant and resource them or let them keep control,of their fixtures

The Lost Sheep

ArmchairQB wrote: »

A large portion of people attending pro 12 games are not even members of clubs and I think if KO was 2.30pm with pro 12 games on after or recorded and shown later you would have better club afternoons evenings. I personally think time to separate from pro game, either make the clubs more relevant and resource them or let them keep control,of their fixtures

don't think you would based on years of experience.
Talking about separating from the pro game is delusional. Resource clubs how and for what? Club game does need to be made more relevant but having clubs control their fixtures? What do you want by this?? How do you do this?

phog

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

But you have to take into account a lot of these provincial games as clashes between club AIL games and provincial and international games affects attendances and coverage of the club game.
A games affect many clubs in terms of player availability. You have to take all of these into account in some fashion.

I've been beating that drum for years and you've previously argued that the attendances aren't affected and that clubs are happy.

The Lost Sheep

phog wrote: »

I've been beating that drum for years and you've previously argued that the attendances aren't affected and that clubs are happy.

But what do you want done? You were looking for the impossible.
What season schedule do you think is best for all then if you have been going on about this for years?

What in your opinion would allow the clubs be happy, provinces be happy etc etc?
If you have been beating this drum for years then you have had loads of time to come up with the perfect solution to this.

phog

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

But what do you want done? You were looking for the impossible.
What season schedule do you think is best for all then if you have been going on about this for years?

What in your opinion would allow the clubs be happy, provinces be happy etc etc?
If you have been beating this drum for years then you have had loads of time to come up with the perfect solution to this.

Not getting into with you, as you just dismiss everything as being impossible or the clubs are happy.

Btw, it's not up to a punter to provide a solution, that's the role of the IRFU and all its entities.

The Lost Sheep

phog wrote: »

Not getting into with you, as you just dismiss everything as being impossible or the clubs are happy.

Btw, it's not up to a punter to provide a solution, that's the role of the IRFU and all its entities.

:rolleyes:
Fantastic argument. You want to bitch and moan saying its not right but when queried you wont man up and say whats wrong. A punter is every bit as much of a stakeholder as the clubs, the players, the competition organisers and the IRFU. You feel there is issues with the scheduling. Why not propose an alternative that you feel would work instead of complaining that what is in place isn't working

You complain about games clashing and then not being able to get to games. That shows you are certainly part of the process to create a solution that will help the clubs

Swan Curry

i really hope the irfu pay you to shill for them because **** me if you dedicate this much of your own free time to defending everything they do

The Lost Sheep

Swan Curry wrote: »

i really hope the irfu pay you to shill for them because **** me if you dedicate this much of your own free time to defending everything they do

:rolleyes: I don't defend all they do. That's just nonsense.
What must change IYO then? If they are doing such a poor job?

phog

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Fantastic argument. You want to bitch and moan saying its not right but when queried you wont man up and say whats wrong. A punter is every bit as much of a stakeholder as the clubs, the players, the competition organisers and the IRFU. You feel there is issues with the scheduling. Why not propose an alternative that you feel would work instead of complaining that what is in place isn't working

You complain about games clashing and then not being able to get to games. That shows you are certainly part of the process to create a solution that will help the clubs

No point rehashing an argument when you just repeat stuff like that can't be done, clubs are happy, etc. I like watching the AIL, the attendances are pitiful. It's up to someone with the power to change it to do something. If they, as you have previously claimed are happy with the status quo then imho the clubs will die.

The Lost Sheep

phog wrote: »

No point rehashing an argument when you just repeat stuff like that can't be done, clubs are happy, etc. I like watching the AIL, the attendances are pitiful. It's up to someone with the power to change it to do something. If they, as you have previously claimed are happy with the status quo then imho the clubs will die.

Nonsense. You are all about saying nothing. Attendances are not pitiful. Of course they could be better but what can be done? If you think they are so bad then what can be done by the clubs as they are most responsible for marketing their own games.
It isn't simply up to someone with the power to bring about change. Its for those who want change to get a movement for change started.
You don't think the current system is right so what are all these changes you want brought in that are so much better than the existing structures?
And quit with the hyperbole about clubs dying. The clubs game has had to change significantly over the past 25 years in many ways.
Underage sections in most clubs are extremely strong. The adult game has challenges but its the same in all sports.
You want all these changes but what actual realistic changes would you want implemented? If so concerned would you have the balls to get involved and start the process to make some changes happen?

Tarf1234

Can we just go back to last seasons thread and reread this all? Or does someone want to copy and paste it to this thread. IRFU can't do anything wrong the amateur volunteers should be the ones fixing the problem.

The Lost Sheep

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Can we just go back to last seasons thread and reread this all? Or does someone want to copy and paste it to this thread. IRFU can't do anything wrong the amateur volunteers should be the ones fixing the problem.

Far from the IRFU cant do wrong. Theyve done lots wrong and ive criticised them plenty but the clubs need to be doing more in lots of areas.
The club members are as much stakeholders in the league as the IRFU and have as much a role in making it as strong as possible as the IRFU do. To say otherwise is ridiculous