UN Findings - when will the Eighth be repealed?

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I think it's a-coming. The kind of things Enda, Leo and others have been saying over the past six months would have been frankly unthinkable five years ago. The details of stories like Miss Y and that poor brain-dead woman ending up in the news have shown people what having the 8th in the constitution means, beyond just no abortion 'on demand' (god I hate that phrase). It's also not as taboo a topic as it was previously, though obviously it's still not exactly small talk. Women being willing to talk about their abortions, probably especially the women who've had FFA pregnancies, is making a difference. And not to put too fine a point on it, but as the older generations die off, the population is going to skew more towards some form of pro-choice.

Too little too late for the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Irish women who've been denied an abortion or made travel for one though.

meeeeh

Parchment wrote: »

Honestly - i dont see an referendum passing. It breaks my heart as i am 100% pro-choice. Its very hard to see yourself being classed as a second class citizen in your own country. Its very hard to see other people making decisions about your health and wellbeing - many of them men.

I am involved in a pro-choice group and attend some of the rallies but often i feel like just blocking the whole issue out of my head as it hurts my heart too much to think about it. Its so depressing to see women have to fight for this in a first world country in 2016, to see our lives governed by men and religion still.

*sigh*

I actually object to that. Women are just as much governed by women in this regard. Lucinda Creighton is not a man and she was one of the loudest opponents of last law change. In the same way as Mick Wallace is bringing the latest bill on FFA to the dail. Making it women against men issue won't dissuade those men who are against repeal of 8th amendment but it might chase away those who would vote for it. As I stated before I don't believe the same type of campaign will work as in gay marriage referendum but I do hope that this referendum will be able to mobilize younger voters just as well as previous one. I think how many younger voters turn up will decide the result. And for that you need both men and women.

Annasopra

Now is the chance to have your own personal voice on this heard

Submissions to the citizens assembly in relation to the 8th amendment close at 5pm Tomorrow (Friday Decemeber 16th)

http://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Submissions/

I'd really encourage everyone to make a personal submission

The constitutional convention was a big influence on marriage equality.