Immigrant in London slams immigrants

Kermit.de.frog

http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/irishman-living-in-britain-vows-to-back-brexit-because-immigrants-are-coming-to-london-to-take-work-34757338.html


haha the gall...

“I left Ireland when I was 15 years of age, I had no other choice. Our work has been taken up by thousands and thousands of people crossing over into Britain and that’s the reason I’ll definitely be voting to leave.”

And leaving the EU would magically fix this how??

It's all a bit "Father Ted", Ted.

Maguined

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/irishman-living-in-britain-vows-to-back-brexit-because-immigrants-are-coming-to-london-to-take-work-34757338.html


haha the gall...



And leaving the EU would magically fix this how??

It's all a bit "Father Ted", Ted.

It would stop any EU citizen from freely entering the UK and would allow the UK to decide for itself it's own level of immigration and from which countries.

The UK decided for itself to allow the CTA between Ireland and the UK and if they they left the EU they could keep it or repeal it upon their own wishes rather than being obliged to obey the immigration policy decided by the EU.

Whether you are for or against remaining in the EU you simply cannot deny that being part of the EU means you do not have full control over immigration policies for your own country.

Birneybau

The Backwards Man

AFAIR the legislation for the CTA was incorporated into the free travel stuff years ago. It doesn't exist any more. Somebody tell that men he's voting to get himself fcuked out!

Maguined

The Backwards Man wrote: »

AFAIR the legislation for the CTA was incorporated into the free travel stuff years ago. It doesn't exist any more. Somebody tell that men he's voting to get himself fcuked out!

It continues to exist as long as neither Ireland or the UK join the Schengen area. If either joins then the CTA would cease to exist.

He could vote for the UK to leave the EU and then subsequently the UK could repeal the CTA but the first does not cause or affect the second directly.

A Dub in Glasgo

What a gob****e, no self awareness at all

The_Kew_Tour

Kinda why I always laugh at Polish People I know complaining about Ireland having too many foreigners

marienbad

The sense of entitlement goes on .

The Randy Riverbeast

Been a few weeks since looked this up so might be off a little. In the top 10 countries people emigrated from to the UK germany, Poland and Ireland are the only 3 EU countries. The Irish will be going nowhere, so reducing immigration in the UK mostly means less polish and Germans.

They haven't put much thought into it, next they'll want to give doctors a box of plasters to close the wound after surgery.

FTA69

What an ignorant gobsh*te.

philstar

what a hypocrite

mansize

I would question the validity of any CTA if there was a Brexit one county would be in the EU the other wouldn't

mansize

If Irish are allowed why not other European states?

mansize

Maguined wrote: »

It would stop any EU citizen from freely entering the UK and would allow the UK to decide for itself it's own level of immigration and from which countries.

The UK decided for itself to allow the CTA between Ireland and the UK and if they they left the EU they could keep it or repeal it upon their own wishes rather than being obliged to obey the immigration policy decided by the EU.

Whether you are for or against remaining in the EU you simply cannot deny that being part of the EU means you do not have full control over immigration policies for your own country.

They don't just get to decide you know. Treaties have to be drawn up with respect to existing laws

12Phase

mansize wrote: »

I would question the validity of any CTA if there was a Brexit one county would be in the EU the other wouldn't

That's actually how it was for decades before we joined though.

The downside is that while the CTA gives absolute freedom of movement between Ireland and the UK for Irish and British citizens, but it never, ever applied to goods and services.

That means you'll have customs borders and Ireland cannot unilaterally negotiate customs agreements as we are fully part of an EU customs union and single market.

For ever odd

1) Why was he looking for work at 15 years of age?
2) Judging from the photo, he was 15 around 20-25 years ago (guess), there were hardly any immigrants coming to Ireland at that time; And Mayo was hardly the number 1 destination to those that did.

mansize

Here is a detailed examination of the CTA and implications regarding Brexit

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/brexit-theresa-villiers-misleading-on-return-of-border-controls-1.2613920

Key point is UK couldn't stop New Irish Citizens without stopping all. And welfare issues are outside the CTA

mansize

12Phase wrote: »

That's actually how it was for decades before we joined though.

The downside is that while the CTA gives absolute freedom of movement between Ireland and the UK for Irish and British citizens, but it never, ever applied to goods and services.

That means you'll have customs borders and Ireland cannot unilaterally negotiate customs agreements as we are fully part of an EU customs union and single market.

We both joined the EEC/EU together

12Phase

mansize wrote: »

We both joined the EEC/EU together

The CTA existed long before that though.

The UK - Irish freedom of movement never actually ended on independence. We still treat each other's citizens as non-aliens. Those things extend far beyond EU rights and it's why we didn't join Schengen fully.

That's not a right that came from EU membership. What came from that was the removal of trade and customs barriers between the two (and opened up the rest of the EU too).

The Masculinist

He has a vote, which makes his opinion more important than yours in this matter.

A Dub in Glasgo

The Masculinist wrote: »

He has a vote, which makes his opinion more important than yours in this matter.

I have a vote as well and his opinion is of a dullard who has no sense of his own hypocrisy

The Masculinist

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I have a vote as well and his opinion is of a dullard who has no sense of his own hypocrisy

Like most humans he is selfish. The difference is he is being honest about it. "I want what's best for me so I will vote to leave".

dd972

As regards the dissonance of what this chap said a large swathe of Irish people in Britain may see themselves as emigrants from home (Ireland) yet paradoxically not as immigrants, given the fact they're from these islands, white, english speaking, have grown up surrounded by British media and culture,etc,etc. They're also not seen or regarded as immigrants by U.K people which reinforces this feeling that they're not immigrants like others are.

The Masculinist

Like our taoiseach he is just some lad at a GAA match. Can we just ignore his opinions and move on like?

mansize

The UK was not so welcoming to the Irish either... "no blacks, no Irish"

mansize

Hugh Orde:

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/hugh-orde-return-of-border-controls-after-brexit-is-inevitable-1.2666251?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

12Phase

They keep focusing on movement of people and security issues.

Labour, people, and security have always been cooperated on. I can't see the UK just removing itself entirely from the information systems and so on.

Also Ireland does not operate Schengen visas and never has so, whatever the EU's immigration rules are for non EU citizens are irrelevant anyway and always have been.

Sure someone from Germany desperate for fish and chips could attempt to get into the UK via Ireland but they wouldnt be able to legally work or have any EU rights there should it leave.

Non EU nationals would be subject to Irish customs and immigration rules as they always have been and those are cooperated on with the UK to an ever increasing degree under BIVS.

What would cause absolutely huge damage is the reimposotion of customs barriers. They'll have the effect of having border checkpoints, stopping people with their groceries and so on all over again.

Ireland and Britain haven't any preexisting common customs union. We got that from the European Union.

Ireland is in a customs union with the rest of the EU and if we open our backdoor to the UK it means that we would have a backdoor for UK goods and services into the European Union. That's not something we are likely to be allowed to agree while being in the EU as all customs agreements are done as a bloc.

FTA69

For ever odd wrote: »

1) Why was he looking for work at 15 years of age?
2) Judging from the photo, he was 15 around 20-25 years ago (guess), there were hardly any immigrants coming to Ireland at that time; And Mayo was hardly the number 1 destination to those that did.

1) Many Irishmen went to England in their mid-teens for work, I know a few lads who came here at 14 or 15 and were straight on site at that age. Often people left school at an early age and there was literally no other option available to them bar moving abroad.

2) Mayo has nothing to do with it. He's worried Eastern European migrants in the UK are making it difficult for Irish workers in the UK. I worked in construction for years over here and amongst many Irish tradesmen there is a real dislike for Eastern Europeans who are perceived as less competent and keen to undercut for jobs and work for lower rates.

Basically the same arguments which were made against us in the 1980s.

Richard Hillman

mansize wrote: »

The UK was not so welcoming to the Irish either... "no blacks, no Irish"

Still crying over 1 sign in a B&B 50 years ago :pac:

First Up

Maguined wrote: »

The UK decided for itself to allow the CTA between Ireland and the UK and if they they left the EU they could keep it or repeal it upon their own wishes rather than being obliged to obey the immigration policy decided by the EU.

So the UK has a CTA with Ireland. Ireland has a CTA with the rest of the EU. Therefore......

Think about it.

jimmy blevins

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I have a vote as well and his opinion is of a dullard who has no sense of his own hypocrisy

He's seeing his livelihood destroyed and more than likely hasn't had the optionions open to lot on here ie education and career opportunities.
The real hypocrisy is the contemptuous, im alright attitude to workers in semi skilled employment and trades whose wages have remained stagnent with reduced rights.

First Up

jimmy blevins wrote: »

He's seeing his livelihood destroyed and more than likely hasn't had the optionions open to lot on here ie education and career opportunities.
The real hypocrisy is the contemptuous, im alright attitude to workers in semi skilled employment and trades whose wages have remained stagnent with reduced rights.

More than likely? You know this how?

12Phase

I wouldn't worry too much about the Northern Secretary. At the end of the day she is an English Westminster MP and has to protect her seat.

The politics she's playing have nothing to do with NI.

The ironyof complaining about unelected elites in Brussels while being the modern equivalent of a viceroy administering a region that never elected you or even voted for your party! It's is pretty hilarious

Not to mention the House of Lords which makes the Seanad and European commission look like bastions of modern representative democracy.

Jayop

jimmy blevins wrote: »

He's seeing his livelihood destroyed and more than likely hasn't had the optionions open to lot on here ie education and career opportunities.
The real hypocrisy is the contemptuous, im alright attitude to workers in semi skilled employment and trades whose wages have remained stagnent with reduced rights.

Utter tripe. He went to England to make a better life for himself. Now he wants to deny others the right to do the same as himself. He's a massive hypocritical Bellend.

12Phase

Jayop wrote: »

Utter tripe. He went to England to make a better life for himself. Now he wants to deny others the right to do the same as himself. He's a massive hypocritical Bellend.

Pulling up the ladder as it's known.

steddyeddy

The UK is highly anti-inmigrant. This doesn't surprise me.

First Up

steddyeddy wrote: »

The UK is highly anti-inmigrant. This doesn't surprise me.

Yeah, even some of the immigrants by the look of it.

P. Breathnach

First Up wrote: »

So the UK has a CTA with Ireland. Ireland has a CTA with the rest of the EU. Therefore......

Think about it.

Ireland does not have a CTA with the rest of the EU. We stayed out of the Schengen agreement because the UK would not join, and if we had joined alone there would have need a need to introduce border controls between Ireland and the UK.

That is why I don't need my passport to go to Belfast or Birmingham, but I do need it to go to Berlin or Brussels.

steddyeddy

First Up wrote: »

Yeah, even some of the immigrants by the look of it.

All equally scum IMHO.

AnonoBoy

I once knew a Brazilian girl who left Ireland because she felt it wasn't "the real Ireland" any more because there were too many Asian people.

:rolleyes:

steddyeddy

You can't walk by a newspaper stand in the UK without seeing something about immigrants gracing the front cover of one of their broadsheet rags.

First Up

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Ireland does not have a CTA with the rest of the EU. We stayed out of the Schengen agreement because the UK would not join, and if we had joined alone there would have need a need to introduce border controls between Ireland and the UK.

That is why I don't need my passport to go to Belfast or Birmingham, but I do need it to go to Berlin or Brussels.

OK - not a CTA but we have universal access to all EU countries, as they have with us. In the event of a Brexit, any EU citizen can come here and then avail of our CTA with the UK. Therefore border controls with N. Ireland are inevitable if they want to monitor and control immigration, which seems to be the main motivation for many on the vote leave side. In other words, the end of our CTA with Britain.

First Up

steddyeddy wrote: »

All equally scum IMHO.

Very sociable of you. Does that apply to the 1.25 million Brits living in other EU countries?

scoey

What I'm gathering from all this talk is that Ireland is so closely linked to the Uk that if they vote to leave the EU, we should just leave too if things like a trade deal with the UK are not acceptable to the EU. We are far closer to the UK than we are to the likes of Germany or France in every way.

26 of the 32 counties of Ireland left the Uk about 100 years ago, the cultures are completely intertwined,are incredibly close and heavily interbred over the centuries etc. This guy's comments are pretty foolish but I do think there's a clear distinction between someone born in Ireland living in the Uk (or vice versa) and someone from Poland/China/whatever going to the Uk.

I expect that many here will not be able to agree with such a concept.

First Up

scoey wrote: »

What I'm gathering from all this talk is that Ireland is so closely linked to the Uk that if they vote to leave the EU, we should just leave too if things like a trade deal with the UK are not acceptable to the EU. We are far closer to the UK than we are to the likes of Germany or France in every way.

26 of the 32 counties of Ireland left the Uk about 100 years ago, the cultures are completely intertwined,are incredibly close and heavily interbred over the centuries etc. This guy's comments are pretty foolish but I do think there's a clear distinction between someone born in Ireland living in the Uk (or vice versa) and someone from Poland/China/whatever going to the Uk.

I expect that many here will not be able to agree with such a concept.

China is not in the EU. Britain has far more immigrants from its former colonies in Africa and Asia than it does from elsewhere in Europe.

Britain was very happy to accept the Polish Air Force in WW2, so pilots are OK but hard working plumbers - no thanks.

We spend half our time giving out about 800 years of British oppression but when it suits us, our cultures are completely intertwined.

This is great stuff lads.

511

steddyeddy wrote: »

You can't walk by a newspaper stand in the UK without seeing something about immigrants gracing the front cover of one of their broadsheet rags.

It isn't anti-immigrant enough, with all of those Pakistani child grooming gangs, South Asian youth acting like thugs from Compton and the white flight to avoid the areas they live in, I'm surprised Labour is still a strong as it is.

If I was living in Rotterham and Bradford, I'd long since be a BNP voter (I'd vote UKIP nowadays). The Brits aren't hostile to immigrants for no reason, they're hostile because immigrants and their offspring are acting the bollocks on their streets, Pakistani and Bangladeshi are particularly the biggest culprits.

It's not really surprising when you hear all sorts of horror stories from Pakistan about honour killings and atheist bloggers getting decapitated in Bangladesh. People are becoming more aware that multiculturalism sin't working in the UK and that's why there's a growing anti-immigrant sentiment.

At the end of day, it's not really their fault, it's their governments' fault for implementing a reckless immigration policy for the last 40-50 years and a lot of people want to live n the UK as they believe it's the land of milk and honey, but if you think Britain is hostile towards immigrants, you should see the rest of Europe, immigration control parties are doing much better than UKIP.

First Up

511 wrote: »

It isn't anti-immigrant enough, with all of those Pakistani child grooming gangs, South Asian youth acting like thugs from Compton and the white flight to avoid the areas they live in, I'm surprised Labour is still a strong as it is.

If I was living in Rotterham and Bradford, I'd long since be a BNP voter (I'd vote UKIP nowadays). The Brits aren't hostile to immigrants for no reason, they're hostile because immigrants and their offspring are acting the bollocks on their streets, Pakistani and Bangladeshi are particularly the biggest culprits.

It's not really surprising when you hear all sorts of horror stories from Pakistan about honour killings and atheist bloggers getting decapitated in Bangladesh. People are becoming more aware that multiculturalism sin't working in the UK and that's why there's a growing anti-immigrant sentiment.

At the end of day, it's not really their fault, it's their governments' fault for implementing a reckless immigration policy for the last 40-50 years and a lot of people want to live n the UK as they believe it's the land of milk and honey, but if you think Britain is hostile towards immigrants, you should see the rest of Europe, immigration control parties are doing much better than UKIP.

Hilarious. You do realise that Britain's immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh have nothing whatever to do with Britain's membership of the EU?

steddyeddy

First Up wrote: »

Very sociable of you. Does that apply to the 1.25 million Brits living in other EU countries?

I'm not talking about immigrants I'm talking about those who complain about them constantly.

The_Kew_Tour

511 wrote: »

It isn't anti-immigrant enough, with all of those Pakistani child grooming gangs, South Asian youth acting like thugs from Compton and the white flight to avoid the areas they live in, I'm surprised Labour is still a strong as it is.

If I was living in Rotterham and Bradford, I'd long since be a BNP voter (I'd vote UKIP nowadays). The Brits aren't hostile to immigrants for no reason, they're hostile because immigrants and their offspring are acting the bollocks on their streets, Pakistani and Bangladeshi are particularly the biggest culprits.

It's not really surprising when you hear all sorts of horror stories from Pakistan about honour killings and atheist bloggers getting decapitated in Bangladesh. People are becoming more aware that multiculturalism sin't working in the UK and that's why there's a growing anti-immigrant sentiment.

At the end of day, it's not really their fault, it's their governments' fault for implementing a reckless immigration policy for the last 40-50 years and a lot of people want to live n the UK as they believe it's the land of milk and honey, but if you think Britain is hostile towards immigrants, you should see the rest of Europe, immigration control parties are doing much better than UKIP.

London voted for a Mayor who is a Terrorist Sympathiser.

FTA69

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

London voted for a Mayor who is a Terrorist Sympathiser.

It didn't really though.

First Up

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not talking about immigrants I'm talking about those who complain about them constantly.

Fair enough.