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The future of James Bond

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    #812
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120757406#Comment_120757406

    Ian Fleming created Bond as Ian Fleming's fantasy, let's not be particular here. IIRC the books describe a man no actor has ever resembled - but coincidentally resembled the author. They were throwaway pulp books written by someone exercising their dreams, thinly based on their time during ww2.

    Idris Elba would be a good Bond cos he's a great leading man, has a smouldering energy perfect for playing someone ostensibly sexual, and yeah it's a bit unconventional. But no two Bond ever looked like each other anyway.

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    #813
    silverharp
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    its just had its time, remember that most of the audience up to the 80's would have found a TV remote wowzer technology so the USP was the gadgets and the glamour, the stuff that made it great doesnt now or has been stripped out, can barely remember who the villains were in the last few films. The franchise is dead as far as I can see.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #814
    FunLover18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120757406#Comment_120757406

    How does his race impact his personality or who he is?



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    #815
    RickBlaine
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120757778#Comment_120757778

    In the first novel, Casino Royale, Vesper says this: "Bond reminds me rather of Hoagy Carmichael, but there is something cold and ruthless".

    A few novels later in Moonraker, the female lead says this: "Rather like Hoagy Carmichael in a way. That black hair falling down over the right eyebrow. Much the same bones. But there was something a bit cruel in the mouth, and the eyes were cold."

    Fleming had a drawing of Bond commissioned for a newpaper which also looked very similar to Carmichael aside from a slight receeding hairline which I don't think Fleming was happy with.

    Carmichael was an American signer. If you Google him, you should have a good idea of what Fleming had in mind for the appearance of Bond, especially the younger portrait on his wiki page.



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    #816
    Tony EH
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120757778#Comment_120757778

    Elba's too old. You'd get, what, two or three movies out of him at best, before he started to look silly in the role. They need to go younger.



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    #817
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120758993#Comment_120758993

    Oh yeah he has aged out of contention but just in principle, I think he has/had the quality you might want from an unconventional choice without it having no rationale. It's funny cos Daniel Craig, despite joining Bond in his 30s, always had an older looking face. He looked haggard even in Casino Royale.



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    #818
    Tony EH
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120759165#Comment_120759165

    Well, haggard should be the look for what is essentially an MI6 assassin. I liked Craig as Bond. It's just unfortunate that the films dropped in quality after 'Casino Royale'.



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    #819
    saabsaab
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120758408#Comment_120758408

    Here he is

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    #820
    silliussoddius
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    Timothy Dalton was probably the closest looks wise.

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    #821
    Homelander
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761910#Comment_120761910

    A very under-rated Bond and the man is a terrific actor, he's incredible in Penny Dreadful and 1923 in particular in recent years.



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    #822
    Sleepy
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    Dalton not only looked closest to Fleming's Bond, he had the "cold" portrayal down too. I've mentioned it before but I'd love to see him reprise the role in an "I'm too old for this ****" Bond - his Diamonds Are Forever if you will - really lean into Bond as being a sexist relic of the cold war.



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    #823
    Muller1991
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120778361#Comment_120778361

    I would love to see that. A retired Bond living in Jamaica or whatever and is brought back .... Oh Wait that sounds familiar lol.


    I would however love to see his Bond ( Dalton's ) get a farewell.



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    #824
    salmocab
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    I think they need to go in a different direction to the last few movies, the big budget spy arena is ruled by MI, I think someone here suggested a return to Cold War era and make a period movie. I like the idea of that I didn’t really enjoy the last few films, I enjoyed casino royale but couldn’t make head nor tail of quantum of solace.

    its gone stale and needs a new grab.



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    #825
    Sleepy
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    The script would be easy enough to do: have it that General Koskov wasn't killed at the end of Living Daylights (it was referenced as an off-screen event so easily ret-conned) and include him in some plot to do with the invasion of Ukraine, as the only MI6 agent living to have had dealings with him, Bond is called out of retirement...



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    #826
    RickBlaine
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭RickBlaine


    The Bond films, especially the Craig ones, get an absolute fortune from brands for including the latest cars, phones, watches, etc in the movie. The problem with doing a period piece is that you can't get sponsorship deals for the latest products.



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    #827
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120778725#Comment_120778725

    damn! excellent point

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    #828
    martco
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    my favourite ones are

    + On Her Majestys Secret Service (leave it alone, just like Jaws, no remakes/reboots please ffs, perfect Sun afternoon bit hungover telly)

    + Casino Royale (as good an opening few mins as ANY action movie I can think of...how he gets his licence, the artwork and music of the opening credits, the ridiculous parkour chase across the building site...just bangbangbang!) and Mads Mikelsen superbad baddie...as good as it'll ever get imo

    as for the future it's hard to see one right now. they couldn't even really maintain the level after Casino Royale so how they gonna achieve it now? with Craig gone because he really carried the whole Bourne thing very nicely. and all the bs about black bond and girl bond and gay bond and whatever yadda? please gimme a break. the origin has to be respected. he's a horrible c**t. so for me Daniel Craig in Casino Royale was the peak and can't be beat.

    the only one thought I had about a possible future was what about going the direction Disney went with Star Wars franchise in creating ANDOR? its a bloody good watch, highly recommend if not seen it. make a deeper weekly detailed day to day Bond, what created him? get into the various relationships, politics, and his nemesis's. a chance to develop some of the characters around him. etc.



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    #829
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    How about a retro Bond with him in a coma but the main action in the 60's . When he recovers to today he has to continue the chase..



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    #830
    ~Rebel~
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120780022#Comment_120780022
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    #831
    saabsaab
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120780124#Comment_120780124

    The spy who came back from the cold. Yeah Baby!



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    #832
    Oscar_Madison
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    Live…..and let Bond Die.



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    #833
    RickBlaine
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭RickBlaine


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120757406#Comment_120757406

    I've been a Bond fan all my life and I recently watched The Wire and Luther. I can confidently say that Elba has all the qualities that would make him an excellent Bond. For me a Bond actor can't just be someone who looks good in a tux but he also needs to have the acting ability and screen charisma to give Bond a strong personality and screen presence. He also needs to have an element of danger to him and be intimidating when necessary. Elba has all that in abundance.

    I don't agree with casting a black actor as Bond just for the sake of casting a black actor. But an actor who is otherwise perfect for Bond shouldn't be discounted just because he is black.



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    #834
    saabsaab
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120781438#Comment_120781438

    He might be a bit on the older side now?



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    #835
    pixelburp
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    Given Bond tends to follow trends rather than set them... maybe Elba could be Bond yet: an older version trying to find peace, settle down - in the vein of Logan or the John Wick movies? The assumption has been the new Bond might be younger, but seems like a grizzled version in his 50s might be more on brand with the rest of Hollywood.



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    #836
    RickBlaine
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭RickBlaine


    Elba is probably too old to have a long run of films like Moore or Craig but he good have had a decent trilogy but I think EON is moving too slowly at the moment.



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    #837
    Tony EH
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    If Elba is going to be considered he'll, more than likely, be around 52 by the time of his first effort. That's just too old for a James Bond run of movies. Moore was only 5 years older than that when he last appeared as Bond and it was beyond ridiculous at that stage.



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    #838
    salmocab
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    Moore was my favourite Bond, nice mix of misogyny and comedy. They were nice easy going movies, the new ones have felt too slick.



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    #839
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    How about a Gleeson?

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    #840
    Dub.
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭Dub.


    Met Dalton back when he was 007 in the Grafton St shopping mall. He was buying film for his wife`s compact camera. We had a brief conversation about cameras and left it at that. Didn`t even mention Bond.



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    #841
    Bobby_Bolivia
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    I very strongly disagree with the idea of race-swapping Bond, but Idris Elba would be the only person I'd have made the concession for, as I think he would have been an excellent Bond. However, he is far too old for the role now.



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