What's goin on with you guys lotto over there?

Alf Stewart.

From time to time, I like to keep myself informed on foreign news events, scanning news sites from Europe and what not. .

Anyways, while suppin on a "4 X" I stumbles across this strange tale on the Irish lottery, and how a "winner" in a place called Sligo doesn't seem to be currently able to get his prize.

Lotto bosses are remaining tight-lipped over a legal dispute with the 'winner' of a €8.24m jackpot fortune.

The National Lottery has confirmed it has yet to pay out the winnings of the rollover jackpot won on March 5.

As the Irish Independent reported a month ago, the lottery confirmed that it was dealing with the 'ticket holder'.

But nine weeks after the 'win' the money still hasn't been handed over.

Lottery chiefs issued a new statement yesterday confirming the money had not been collected but refused to say why.

A spokesman said: The National Lottery never comments on the specifics of the claims procedure to protect both the privacy of the claimant and the security of the National Lottery's claims process.

"As is standard practice, any claimant has 90 days in which to claim their prize and we are continuing to engage with the ticketholder. In line with our normal policy, we will not be issuing further comment until the prize has been collected."

I wonder what's causin the drama?

Personally, if it was led I'd just be telling em, if you're gonna be a tit about it, gimme me flamin stake back. :mad:

Thoughts?

Stolen ticket?
Under age player?
Owner of the ticket dispute?

Odd one.

gramar

I dunno mate but they'd better sort it out soon or Ailsa they'll lose the prize.

maudgonner

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

From time to time, I like to keep myself informed on foreign news events, scanning news sites from Europe and what not. .

Anyways, while suppin on a "4 X" I stumbles across this strange tale on the Irish lottery, and how a "winner" in a place called Sligo doesn't seem to be currently able to get his prize.


I wonder what's causin the drama?

Personally, if it was led I'd just be telling em, if you're gonna be a tit about it, gimme me flamin stake back. :mad:

Thoughts?

Stolen ticket?
Under age player?
Owner of the ticket dispute?

Odd one.

Heard on the radio this morning that it was bought by a group on a stag do. Messy (the situation, and probably the lads after a feed of drink).

amdublin

My theory, and it's just a theory, is that the ticket which has the numbers is not in great condition - for example, it's been through the washing machine or something.


So while the numbers look valid, the ticket may not be valid (per their terms & conditions I believe).


A bit like if you present your passport in really bad condition at the airport.


That's my thought!

amdublin

maudgonner wrote: »

Heard on the radio this morning that it was bought by a group on a stag do. Messy (the situation, and probably the lads after a feed of drink).

So the ownership of the ticket is in dispute???


Do you have a link to this? I thought the lotto was saying it was not anything to do re ownership??

Ragnar Lothbrok

maudgonner wrote: »

Heard on the radio this morning that it was bought by a group on a stag do. Messy (the situation, and probably the lads after a feed of drink).

Yeah, heard this too on the Anton Savage show this morning.

maudgonner

amdublin wrote: »

So the ownership of the ticket is in dispute???


Do you have a link to this? I thought the lotto was saying it was not anything to do re ownership??

As Ragnar said, it was on Anton Savage - shortly after 9 o'clock so it should be available on Listen Back by now.

SEPT 23 1989

maybe one of them wrote a ladies phone number on the ticket and invalidated it

amdublin

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/8million-lotto-row-jackpot-bought-7951030


Does it seem strange to you that a stag party bought a ticket....and actually checked the numbers on the same night??


Wouldn't have thought buying (and definitely not checking) a lotto ticket would be a stag partys priority....

allthedoyles

Think it was bought by a group of hens

amdublin

If the stag party thing is true maybe it's covered in beer stains or something (seriously)

mahoganygas

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

maybe one of them wrote a ladies phone number on the ticket and invalidated it

She would want to have been a 10.

Or at least an 8.24.

El_Dangeroso

I don't believe you are Australian OP.

Firstly Summer Bay is near Perth in WA not NSW.

Secondly everyone knows the correct abbreviation is Straya not 'stralia.

maudgonner

amdublin wrote: »

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/8million-lotto-row-jackpot-bought-7951030


Does it seem strange to you that a stag party bought a ticket....and actually checked the numbers on the same night??


Wouldn't have thought buying (and definitely not checking) a lotto ticket would be a stag partys priority....

It was a big jackpot though (8.2m) and those tend to become more of an event. I can see how a group of lads would say 'Come on, we'll buy a few tickets and become millionaires!" and check the numbers later on to see if they won.

maudgonner

amdublin wrote: »

If the stag party thing is true maybe it's covered in beer stains or something (seriously)

That's possible. But I'd say it's more likely that there's a dispute over who was in the syndicate and who wasn't. AFAIK all the syndicate members have to sign the back of the ticket but the article says one person came forward to claim it.

ETA: Yep, here's the rules for syndicate wins.

Alf Stewart.

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I don't believe you are Australian OP.

I don't give a flyin emu what anyone believes I am, just don't call me a pom, or a kiwi.

Firstly Summer Bay is near Perth in WA not NSW.

Perth? Its closer to bloody Jakarta than it is to NSW mate, besides, everyone knows Summerbay is near Yabbie Creek.

Secondly everyone knows the correct abbreviation is Straya not 'stralia.

So I sat at the back of abbreviation class, actin a larkin. No crime committed ere.

mud

gramar wrote: »

I dunno mate but they'd better sort it out soon or Ailsa they'll lose the prize.

Yeah mate, they'll totally Roo the day if they don't Sally forth and claim the prize.

smash

My guess is that someone in the group didn't contribute their Euro...

Alf Stewart.

smash wrote: »

My guess is that someone in the group didn't contribute their Euro...

Not sure on that theory, I reckon standard lotto protocol is the ticket needs signed at the back, and the lotto people don't get involved in a dispute such as someone chipping in.

Never having won anything more than what the local newsagent bloke could pay out of his till, I'm entirely open to correction though.

smash

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Not sure on that theory, I reckon standard lotto protocol is the ticket needs signed at the back, and t lotto people don't get involved in a dispute such as.someone chipping in.

Scenario....
"Lads who wants to do the lotto?"
"Sound good"
"Ok well I'll just skip this round and buy the ticket instead"

Only one person bought the ticket. Messy!

Eircom_Sucks

i heard it was a foreign national who bought it

and its become an immigration issue , asking him for correct papers to show he's legally allowed to be here

i heard it off 2 sources ( doesn't mean its correct ) just my 2 cents

maudgonner

How does your immigration status affect whether you can win the Lotto? Is it in the T&Cs that you have to be legally resident?

Eircom_Sucks

maudgonner wrote: »

How does your immigration status affect whether you can win the Lotto? Is it in the T&Cs that you have to be legally resident?

i don't know i don't do the lotto

but its thought that this person isn't legally a resident here

mud

maudgonner wrote: »

How does your immigration status affect whether you can win the Lotto? Is it in the T&Cs that you have to be legally resident?

I can't see anything that would indicate that you have to be resident in Ireland in the rules.

https://www.lottery.ie/Lottery/media/LotteryMediaLibrary/Games/GameInfo/PDFs/PLI-RULES-LOTTO-6-OF-47-Sept-(FINAL)-2015-ISSUE-3.pdf

gramar

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

i don't know i don't do the lotto

but its thought that this person isn't legally a resident here

Another example of immigrants stealing our money.

Alf Stewart.

Can't imagine it'd be an immigration issue.

I mean, what next? Showing passports and papers when visiting the newsagents to do the lotto?

If immigration aint in the rules, the ticket holder would surely win a case against them in a court?

smash

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

i heard it was a foreign national who bought it

and its become an immigration issue , asking him for correct papers to show he's legally allowed to be here

i heard it off 2 sources ( doesn't mean its correct ) just my 2 cents

From the news reports:

One person has come forward claiming to be the winner - but the delay could centre on who owns the ticket and how many members of the syndicate are entitled to a share.

The paper reports the 14-strong group decided to buy a Lotto ticket while on the boozy weekend in Sligo town.

But Lotto bosses are refusing to give any details on why the money has not been paid out - leading to claims there is a dispute.

Looks pretty clear cut and not to do with nationality.

pickarooney

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I don't believe you are Australian OP.

Firstly Summer Bay is near Perth in WA not NSW.

Secondly everyone knows the correct abbreviation is Straya not 'stralia.

I'm pretty sure summer bay is near The City

Alf Stewart.

The paper reports the 14-strong group decided to buy a Lotto ticket while on the boozy weekend in Sligo town.

There's only one fair and equitable way out of this dispute.

Pick a Number between one and 14 lads.

spurshero

Apparently when you buy a lotto ticket the person who prints it is supposed to scan it for you as well to make it official before payment . But this ticket was sold without being scanned and that makes it unofficial hence the dispute. I don't know if this is true or not but that's what I was told

smash

spurshero wrote: »

Apparently when you buy a lotto ticket the person who prints it is supposed to scan it for you as well to make it official before payment . But this ticket was sold without being scanned and that makes it unofficial hence the dispute. I don't know if this is true or not but that's what I was told

Who the hell told you that? Have you ever seen anyone scanning a ticket to register it? No... because it's not how it works. Sure the shop have already had their payout an all.

maudgonner

spurshero wrote: »

Apparently when you buy a lotto ticket the person who prints it is supposed to scan it for you as well to make it official before payment . But this ticket was sold without being scanned and that makes it unofficial hence the dispute. I don't know if this is true or not but that's what I was told

If that was the case I don't think the shopkeeper would be commenting to the papers:

The shopkeeper who sold the winning ticket says everyone in Sligo where it was sold remains 'mystified' by the apparent stand-off.

(Taken from the indo article in the OP). If the shop was involved in any dispute you can bet they would be keeping their mouths shut.

valoren

A stag in Sligo?

I'd expect a minimum of €8 million in remuneration to attend it

maudgonner

valoren wrote: »

A stag in Sligo?

I'd expect a minimum of €8 million in remuneration to attend it

They were from Donegal though. So it must have been like being let out of prison on day release.



(JOKE! Joke. Donegal is lovely )

whiskeyman

smash wrote: »

From the news reports:

One person has come forward claiming to be the winner - but the delay could centre on who owns the ticket and how many members of the syndicate are entitled to a share.

The paper reports the 14-strong group decided to buy a Lotto ticket while on the boozy weekend in Sligo town.

But Lotto bosses are refusing to give any details on why the money has not been paid out - leading to claims there is a dispute.

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If there's a dispute among the 'syndicate', surely the lottery still have to pay out to whoever arrives with the winning ticket as long as their name is on it?

Seems odd the stop is placed at this point - kind of leads to an issue with the ticket itself?

crazygeryy

Whats going on with you guys lotto over there.

Is English your 5th language?

smash

whiskeyman wrote: »

If there's a dispute among the 'syndicate', surely the lottery still have to pay out to whoever arrives with the winning ticket as long as their name is on it?

Seems odd the stop is placed at this point - kind of leads to an issue with the ticket itself?

If the syndicate can't decide who's in or out and who actually owns the ticked despite who purchased it then yes the dispute is with the syndicate, and in this case, the lotto won't pay out until there's an agreed winner.

tuisginideach

smash wrote: »

Who the hell told you that? Have you ever seen anyone scanning a ticket to register it? No... because it's not how it works. Sure the shop have already had their payout an all.

Yes, when the ticket is printed the shopkeeper always (when I buy it anyway) scans it in front of the machine before giving it to me.

smash

tuisginideach wrote: »

Yes, when the ticket is printed the shopkeeper always (when I buy it anyway) scans it in front of the machine before giving it to me.

You mean scans it at the till so you can pay for it? I've never purchased or witnessed a ticket being scanned after purchase to activate it.

Badly Drunk Boy

crazygeryy wrote: »

Whats going on with you guys lotto over there.

Is English your 5th language?

Yeah, we're all off our linguistic heads from the Gaelscoileanna! And then with learning the Chinese, the Spanish, and the Polish (to keep the foreign girls feeling welcome), we're forgetting to talk Unglish good.


Hiya!

Timberrrrrrrr

tuisginideach wrote: »

Yes, when the ticket is printed the shopkeeper always (when I buy it anyway) scans it in front of the machine before giving it to me.

They scan it (as with all.purchases) for the till but it's nothing to do with validating the tickets

seamus

smash wrote: »

If the syndicate can't decide who's in or out and who actually owns the ticked despite who purchased it then yes the dispute is with the syndicate, and in this case, the lotto won't pay out until there's an agreed winner.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. When the prize is collected, each member of the syndicate signs a declaration that they have authorised person X to claim the prize and that the lotto is free from further claims.

If someone comes to collect a prize and lotto become aware that it may be part of a syndicate, then they're not going to pay out on the prize until they've received this authorisation from all members of the syndicate.

Most likely one or two lads were in the jacks at the time, or didn't want to get in on it or something, but are now laying claim to a share of the money.

Suffice to say a few wedding invitations will be revoked after this.

whiskeyman

smash wrote: »

If the syndicate can't decide who's in or out and who actually owns the ticked despite who purchased it then yes the dispute is with the syndicate, and in this case, the lotto won't pay out until there's an agreed winner.

But who is the 'agreed' winner is down to the courts... if it goes that far?

Don't the lotto only care about the winning ticket with the person(s) who signed it coming forward?

If someone wins €5m on the lotto and walks into Lotto HQ to claim and I walk in behind them swearing I'm part of a syndicate involved, I doubt they'll stop the claimant collecting?

smash

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, that's pretty much it. When the prize is collected, each member of the syndicate signs a declaration that they have authorised person X to claim the prize and that the lotto is free from further claims.

If someone comes to collect a prize and lotto become aware that it may be part of a syndicate, then they're not going to pay out on the prize until they've received this authorisation from all members of the syndicate.

Most likely one or two lads were in the jacks at the time, or didn't want to get in on it or something, but are now laying claim to a share of the money.

Suffice to say a few wedding invitations will be revoked after this.

They have 90 days to claim. Even after coming forward, if not resolved they'll get nothing.

smash

whiskeyman wrote: »

But who is the 'agreed' winner is down to the courts... if it goes that far?

Don't the lotto only care about the winning ticket with the person(s) who signed it coming forward?

If someone wins €5m on the lotto and walks into Lotto HQ to claim and I walk in behind them swearing I'm part of a syndicate involved, I doubt they'll stop the claimant collecting?

It's not down to the courts. Do you think the lotto write a cheque for cash? They need the winners names.

screamer

Strange to hear that as yesterday the news stated there was no syndicate involved.......

maudgonner

whiskeyman wrote: »

If there's a dispute among the 'syndicate', surely the lottery still have to pay out to whoever arrives with the winning ticket as long as their name is on it?

Seems odd the stop is placed at this point - kind of leads to an issue with the ticket itself?

The rules are here. Everybody in the syndicate needs to sign the back of the ticket and fill out a form. They need to nominate one person to have the cheque paid to them.

So if one person docked up at Lottery HQ looking to claim the cheque, but the Lottery found out it belonged to a syndicate they would wait until the syndicate got their act together before paying out. Or at least that's my understanding of it.

ghostdancer

smash wrote: »

Looks pretty clear cut and not to do with nationality.

well then we'll just have to make up something else to have a go at them immigrants getting our money!! :mad::mad::mad:

Timberrrrrrrr

smash wrote: »

They have 90 days to claim. Even after coming forward, if not resolved they'll get nothing.

Once the ticket is handed in the money is "claimed" because there is a dispute it is probably held in escrow until proper ownership is sorted.

ronnie085

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I don't believe you are Australian OP.

Firstly Summer Bay is near Perth in WA not NSW.

Secondly everyone knows the correct abbreviation is Straya not 'stralia.

Is summer Bay not near Sydney. Took a visit to the beach their many years ago. Sorry for off topic just doubting myself now

maudgonner

whiskeyman wrote: »

But who is the 'agreed' winner is down to the courts... if it goes that far?

Don't the lotto only care about the winning ticket with the person(s) who signed it coming forward?

If someone wins €5m on the lotto and walks into Lotto HQ to claim and I walk in behind them swearing I'm part of a syndicate involved, I doubt they'll stop the claimant collecting?

No, it affects the tax free status. In order to get the money tax free you need to be an official part-winner. So it's not as simple as having one person collect and then divvying it out afterwards.