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What's goin on with you guys lotto over there?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    spurshero wrote: »
    Apparently when you buy a lotto ticket the person who prints it is supposed to scan it for you as well to make it official before payment . But this ticket was sold without being scanned and that makes it unofficial hence the dispute. I don't know if this is true or not but that's what I was told

    If that was the case I don't think the shopkeeper would be commenting to the papers:
    The shopkeeper who sold the winning ticket says everyone in Sligo where it was sold remains 'mystified' by the apparent stand-off.

    (Taken from the indo article in the OP). If the shop was involved in any dispute you can bet they would be keeping their mouths shut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭valoren


    A stag in Sligo?

    I'd expect a minimum of €8 million in remuneration to attend it ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    valoren wrote: »
    A stag in Sligo?

    I'd expect a minimum of €8 million in remuneration to attend it ;)

    They were from Donegal though. So it must have been like being let out of prison on day release.



    (JOKE! Joke. Donegal is lovely :D)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    smash wrote: »
    From the news reports:

    One person has come forward claiming to be the winner - but the delay could centre on who owns the ticket and how many members of the syndicate are entitled to a share.

    The paper reports the 14-strong group decided to buy a Lotto ticket while on the boozy weekend in Sligo town.

    But Lotto bosses are refusing to give any details on why the money has not been paid out - leading to claims there is a dispute.

    .


    If there's a dispute among the 'syndicate', surely the lottery still have to pay out to whoever arrives with the winning ticket as long as their name is on it?

    Seems odd the stop is placed at this point - kind of leads to an issue with the ticket itself?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭crazygeryy


    Whats going on with you guys lotto over there.

    Is English your 5th language?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    If there's a dispute among the 'syndicate', surely the lottery still have to pay out to whoever arrives with the winning ticket as long as their name is on it?

    Seems odd the stop is placed at this point - kind of leads to an issue with the ticket itself?

    If the syndicate can't decide who's in or out and who actually owns the ticked despite who purchased it then yes the dispute is with the syndicate, and in this case, the lotto won't pay out until there's an agreed winner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭tuisginideach


    smash wrote: »
    Who the hell told you that? Have you ever seen anyone scanning a ticket to register it? No... because it's not how it works. Sure the shop have already had their payout an all.

    Yes, when the ticket is printed the shopkeeper always (when I buy it anyway) scans it in front of the machine before giving it to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Yes, when the ticket is printed the shopkeeper always (when I buy it anyway) scans it in front of the machine before giving it to me.

    You mean scans it at the till so you can pay for it? I've never purchased or witnessed a ticket being scanned after purchase to activate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,424 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    Whats going on with you guys lotto over there.

    Is English your 5th language?

    Yeah, we're all off our linguistic heads from the Gaelscoileanna! And then with learning the Chinese, the Spanish, and the Polish (to keep the foreign girls feeling welcome), we're forgetting to talk Unglish good.


    Hiya!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,294 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Yes, when the ticket is printed the shopkeeper always (when I buy it anyway) scans it in front of the machine before giving it to me.

    They scan it (as with all.purchases) for the till but it's nothing to do with validating the tickets


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    smash wrote: »
    If the syndicate can't decide who's in or out and who actually owns the ticked despite who purchased it then yes the dispute is with the syndicate, and in this case, the lotto won't pay out until there's an agreed winner.
    Yeah, that's pretty much it. When the prize is collected, each member of the syndicate signs a declaration that they have authorised person X to claim the prize and that the lotto is free from further claims.

    If someone comes to collect a prize and lotto become aware that it may be part of a syndicate, then they're not going to pay out on the prize until they've received this authorisation from all members of the syndicate.

    Most likely one or two lads were in the jacks at the time, or didn't want to get in on it or something, but are now laying claim to a share of the money.

    Suffice to say a few wedding invitations will be revoked after this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    smash wrote: »
    If the syndicate can't decide who's in or out and who actually owns the ticked despite who purchased it then yes the dispute is with the syndicate, and in this case, the lotto won't pay out until there's an agreed winner.

    But who is the 'agreed' winner is down to the courts... if it goes that far?

    Don't the lotto only care about the winning ticket with the person(s) who signed it coming forward?

    If someone wins €5m on the lotto and walks into Lotto HQ to claim and I walk in behind them swearing I'm part of a syndicate involved, I doubt they'll stop the claimant collecting?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    seamus wrote: »
    Yeah, that's pretty much it. When the prize is collected, each member of the syndicate signs a declaration that they have authorised person X to claim the prize and that the lotto is free from further claims.

    If someone comes to collect a prize and lotto become aware that it may be part of a syndicate, then they're not going to pay out on the prize until they've received this authorisation from all members of the syndicate.

    Most likely one or two lads were in the jacks at the time, or didn't want to get in on it or something, but are now laying claim to a share of the money.

    Suffice to say a few wedding invitations will be revoked after this.

    They have 90 days to claim. Even after coming forward, if not resolved they'll get nothing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    But who is the 'agreed' winner is down to the courts... if it goes that far?

    Don't the lotto only care about the winning ticket with the person(s) who signed it coming forward?

    If someone wins €5m on the lotto and walks into Lotto HQ to claim and I walk in behind them swearing I'm part of a syndicate involved, I doubt they'll stop the claimant collecting?

    It's not down to the courts. Do you think the lotto write a cheque for cash? They need the winners names.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    Strange to hear that as yesterday the news stated there was no syndicate involved.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    If there's a dispute among the 'syndicate', surely the lottery still have to pay out to whoever arrives with the winning ticket as long as their name is on it?

    Seems odd the stop is placed at this point - kind of leads to an issue with the ticket itself?

    The rules are here. Everybody in the syndicate needs to sign the back of the ticket and fill out a form. They need to nominate one person to have the cheque paid to them.

    So if one person docked up at Lottery HQ looking to claim the cheque, but the Lottery found out it belonged to a syndicate they would wait until the syndicate got their act together before paying out. Or at least that's my understanding of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    smash wrote: »
    Looks pretty clear cut and not to do with nationality.

    well then we'll just have to make up something else to have a go at them immigrants getting our money!! :mad::mad::mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,294 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    smash wrote: »
    They have 90 days to claim. Even after coming forward, if not resolved they'll get nothing.

    Once the ticket is handed in the money is "claimed" because there is a dispute it is probably held in escrow until proper ownership is sorted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭ronnie085


    I don't believe you are Australian OP.

    Firstly Summer Bay is near Perth in WA not NSW.

    Secondly everyone knows the correct abbreviation is Straya not 'stralia.
    Is summer Bay not near Sydney. Took a visit to the beach their many years ago. Sorry for off topic just doubting myself now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    But who is the 'agreed' winner is down to the courts... if it goes that far?

    Don't the lotto only care about the winning ticket with the person(s) who signed it coming forward?

    If someone wins €5m on the lotto and walks into Lotto HQ to claim and I walk in behind them swearing I'm part of a syndicate involved, I doubt they'll stop the claimant collecting?

    No, it affects the tax free status. In order to get the money tax free you need to be an official part-winner. So it's not as simple as having one person collect and then divvying it out afterwards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    smash wrote: »
    It's not down to the courts. Do you think the lotto write a cheque for cash? They need the winners names.

    I'm still not getting it Smash :o

    I know they need the winners names.
    But just say I do a work syndicate - and I organise it.
    If I buy the ticket... sign the ticket and then we win.
    If I alone go in, is the onus on me to declare to the Lottery who the winners are, irregardless of what others say?


    I thought in previous cases, the payouts occurred and then any grievances over who is in / out over the syndicate are taken to court afterwards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Once the ticket is handed in the money is "claimed" because there is a dispute it is probably held in escrow until proper ownership is sorted.

    Nope, they have 90 days to claim. The ticket hasn't been handed in yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Actually, just saw that it was €20 amount placed on it.
    And that's between the 'group' of 14.

    I wonder did only 10 put in €2? and there's an issue with the other 4 even being on it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I don't believe you are Australian OP.

    Firstly Summer Bay is near Perth in WA not NSW.

    Secondly everyone knows the correct abbreviation is Straya not 'stralia.

    Summer bay is fictitious. The beach used for filming is called Palm Beach and is approx 20km from Sydney which is in NSW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,294 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    smash wrote: »
    Nope, they have 90 days to claim. The ticket hasn't been handed in yet.

    The ticket obviously has been handed in because the lottery are aware of a dispute. There was a case a few years ago like this and the money was held until a court made a judgement on ownership of the winnings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    I'm still not getting it Smash :o

    I know they need the winners names.
    But just say I do a work syndicate - and I organise it.
    If I buy the ticket... sign the ticket and then we win.
    If I alone go in, is the onus on me to declare to the Lottery who the winners are, irregardless of what others say?

    And there's the problem. It sounds like there's a dispute about who the winners are!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    I'm still not getting it Smash :o

    I know they need the winners names.
    But just say I do a work syndicate - and I organise it.
    If I buy the ticket... sign the ticket and then we win.
    If I alone go in, is the onus on me to declare to the Lottery who the winners are, irregardless of what others say?


    I thought in previous cases, the payouts occurred and then any grievances over who is in / out over the syndicate are taken to court afterwards.

    I would imagine it was flagged to the Lottery somehow - either the claimant admitted it or someone else from the group let them know. So the Lottery put the brakes on until everything.

    It also says on the back of the ticket that if you file a fraudulent claim you're subject to criminal prosecution - not declaring a syndicate might fall under that and have prompted to claimant to tell them about the syndicate. Pure speculation though :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    The ticket obviously has been handed in because the lottery are aware of a dispute. There was a case a few years ago like this and the money was held until a court made a judgement on ownership of the winnings.

    No, all they have to do is call and say "we won, here's the ticket number"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,294 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    smash wrote: »
    No, all they have to do is call and say "we won, here's the ticket number"

    From the op
    The National Lottery has confirmed it has yet to pay out the winnings of the rollover jackpot won on March 5.

    As the Irish Independent reported a month ago, the lottery confirmed that it was dealing with the 'ticket holder'.

    If someone rings in and says they have the ticket then lottery hq will say bring ticket in. They won't even entertain a claim until they see a ticket.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    smash wrote: »
    If the syndicate can't decide who's in or out and who actually owns the ticked despite who purchased it then yes the dispute is with the syndicate, and in this case, the lotto won't pay out until there's an agreed winner.

    Actually there was case in Ballyvary, Mayo a few years ago where 4/5 guys were in lotto syndicate in a pub.
    One guy hadn't chipped in for number of months.

    lo and behold when they win he comes out of the woodwork to claim his share.
    It got messy, ended up in high court where he won, but was appealed to Supreme Court where he lost.
    His legal fees I think would have nearly outweighed what he would have won.
    smash wrote: »
    It's not down to the courts. Do you think the lotto write a cheque for cash? They need the winners names.

    The courts can decide who is and isn't a party to an agreement.
    It basically looks at it as a kind of contract AFAIK.

    http://www.mayonews.ie/news/5547-bohola-man-loses-landmark-lotto-case

    I am not allowed discuss …



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