The Truth of the Lie

badabing106

I didn't see much press coverage for this. In the last week , Team Mcann lost their 400k libel action against the head Portugese Investigator about the book he published "the truth of the lie"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/scottishnews/7119947/More-hurt-for-Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-as-its-revealed-Portuguese-police-chief-has-written-SECOND-book-about-Maddie-disappearance.html

Felix Jones is God

Whether or not they had anything to do with her actual disappearance and death , I could never fathom why they weren't prosecuted for child neglect and endangerment,....esp if the Portuguese authorities were of the opinion they weren't squeaky clean

Arsemageddon

Why would anyone want to give publicity to a man seeking to profit from the abduction and presumably the death of a small child?

Felix Jones is God

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Why would anyone want to give publicity to a man seeking to profit from the abduction and presumably the death of a small child?

Whyever not? It seems the small childs parents have made quite a career from it

Claregirl

Do you have any other link - I'm highly allergic to the sun - it brings me out in hives

Felix Jones is God

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Whyever not? It seems the small child parents have made quite a career from it

They lost a child.

Whether they were negligent, whether it was an accident and cover up, whether it was abduction...I'm sure they'd rather have their child and no "career" as you describe...

badabing106

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Whether or not they had anything to do with her actual disappearance and death , I could never fathom why they weren't prosecuted for child neglect and endangerment,....esp if the Portuguese authorities were of the opinion they weren't squeaky clean

Clarence Mitchell, Cabinet Officer and head of the media monitoring unit in the British government , resigning from his position to speak on behalf of the McCanns as their press person, was very bizarre and telling in my opinion

Arsemageddon

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Whyever not? It seems the small childs parents have made quite a career from it

Because the man in question was previously convicted of committing perjury when he falsified official records about the police investigation into the disappearance of another child a short distance away from where Madeline McCann disappeared.

I don't particularly like the McCann's, but I don't believe they had anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter.

Felix Jones is God

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Because the man in question was previously convicted of committing perjury when he falsified official records about the police investigation into the disappearance of another child a short distance away from where Madeline McCann disappeared.

I don't particularly like the McCann's, but I don't believe they had anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter.

Well, it's quite obvious they played a very major part in their daughters disappearance

eviltwin

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Well, it's quite obvious they played a very major part in their daughters disappearance

How so?

Sweetemotion

eviltwin wrote: »

How so?

By leaving her.

Felix Jones is God

eviltwin wrote: »

How so?

Either they killed her, or left her alone and someone took her and killed her.....either way, they are ultimately responsible for what happened that night

luftmensch

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Either they killed her, or left her alone and someone took her and killed her.....either way, they are ultimately responsible for what happened that night

I think the person who took her is ultimately responsible.

deco nate

eviltwin wrote: »

How so?

By leaving the kids alone in the unlocked apartment, while the went on the piss with their mates

badabing106

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Why would anyone want to give publicity to a man seeking to profit from the abduction and presumably the death of a small child?

He made the book freely available onliine until Team McCann put an injunction on it. I'm sure his loss of job and career and the legal bills he has had to pay to defend himself are very higher and that he won't be making much of a living, compared to the Top job that he had. Maybe he iust wants to tell the truth of the lie

In fact it was team McCann who wanted to make a movie out of this.

Spanish Eyes

It is all moot now. No charges were ever brought, but the McCanns sure took that fella who wrote the book to the cleaners, and anyone else who said anything negative about them AFAIS.

Anyway, there is no way to suppress a book in this day and age. McGahern is dead may he rest in peace and his books were banned back in the day.

Apart from anything else, it is good that the author was allowed to write the book and not be sued for everything and more that he owned. It is only an opinion, and no one was arrested or charged.

Good decision in the interests balance IMV.

Ruxjit

Jet fuel can't melt steal beams.

Arsemageddon

badabing106 wrote: »

He made the book freely available onliine until Team McCann put an injunction on it. I'm sure his loss of job and career and the legal bills he has had to pay to defend himself are very higher and that he won't be making much of a living, compared to the Top job that he had. Maybe he iust wants to tell the truth of the lie

In fact it was team McCann who wanted to make a movie out of this.

To my mind the copper who wrote the book has always come across as extremely opportunistic and a bit of a loon.

badabing106

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Either they killed her, or left her alone and someone took her and killed her.....either way, they are ultimately responsible for what happened that night

.....or she died by accident while she was left alone in the apartment..... and the McCanns tried to cover it up ..Which is the official finding of the Portugese Police investigation



“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care for their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon. “These were the conclusions of a police report signed by me on September 10 2007,” he added.

badabing106

badabing106 wrote: »

“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care for their children"

Felix does not accept that it was an accident.

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Either they killed her, or left her alone and someone took her and killed her...

Felix, just what do you know that makes you dismiss the possibility of a "tragic accident"?

Spanish Eyes

The case of Amy Fitzpatrick, although a little older, sounds similar. Books, interviews etc at the time. Lots of searching too, but to no avail.

Still not found.

Her brother was killed too recently. Awful stuff.

Summer wind

The McCanns were 100% in the wrong. No parent in their right mind would leave one child on their own not to mind three.

Wibbs

badabing106 wrote: »

.....or she died by accident while she was left alone in the apartment..... and the McCanns tried to cover it up ..Which is the official finding of the Portugese Police investigation



“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care for their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon. “These were the conclusions of a police report signed by me on September 10 2007,” he added.

That has been my take on it and this was reinforced for me when the trained and highly respected sniffer dogs brought in smelled cadaver and blood scents in the apartment and the McCann's hire car. Dogs don't have an agenda and in every case those dogs were involved with before and after they were right on the money. Might have been the exception that proved the rule, but both dogs at two different locations? Nope. Not for me. How the poor child died I don't nor can't know, but that there was a cover up by someone? Yep I'm pretty sure of that. Whoever covered it up was and remains one cold bastard(s). I can understand initial panic and guilt, but to keep that consistent and expand on it? Beggars belief.

SEPT 23 1989

They never showed the blind panic emotion of parents who had their child abducted

At least not to me anyway

thattequilagirl

Deleted User wrote: »

Felix does not accept that it was an accident.



Felix, just what do you know that makes you dismiss the possibility of a "tragic accident"?

If it was a tragic accident

a) Why the cover up?

b) Why court so much publicity?

Unless by accident you mean they overdosed their daughter? Because that was a theory at the time, but that would be manslaughter at the least.

SEPT 23 1989

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They never showed the blind panic emotion of parents who had their child abducted

At least not to me anyway

Different people react to acute situations in different ways.

Lots of people interpreted them as looking unfeeling. I remember thinking they looked numb.

I don't understand why anyone would leave three little kids unattended, but they did, and they've paid the highest price possible for their neglect, they have the rest of their lives to be tormented by that.

I think they were neglectful and an opportunistic abductor did the rest. They're guilty of neglect, the abductor is guilty of the abduction.

I don't think they're killers, deliberately or accidentally. I think they come across as unlikeable, and that makes it easy for people to think that they are.

timthumbni

Summer wind wrote: »

The McCanns were 100% in the wrong. No parent in their right mind would leave one child on their own not to mind three.

I agree with you to an extent but is there any parents that haven't made mistakes with their kids? Lets not forget tHat the real criminal here is the one who took her.

the mcanns will have to live with this for the rest of their lives and assuming they had nothing to do with it then they will suffer every day for their loss.

I hate even thinking about it and I have no connection to it.

eviltwin

timthumbni wrote: »

I agree with you to an extent but is there any parents that haven't made mistakes with their kids? Lets not forget tHat the real criminal here is the one who took her.

the mcanns will have to live with this for the rest of their lives and assuming they had nothing to do with it then they will suffer every day for their loss.

I hate even thinking about it and I have no connection to it.

If someone took her.

I personally think the child died following an accident. I don't think they killed her. I don't believe she was abducted.

R P McMurphy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The case of Amy Fitzpatrick, although a little older, sounds similar. Books, interviews etc at the time. Lots of searching too, but to no avail.

Still not found.

Her brother was killed too recently. Awful stuff.

I think they have a pretty good idea what happened in that particular case and who was responsible.

thattequilagirl

thattequilagirl wrote: »

If it was a tragic accident

a) Why the cover up?

b) Why court so much publicity?

Unless by accident you mean they overdosed their daughter? Because that was a theory at the time, but that would be manslaughter at the least.

Oh I'm not saying it was an accident. It could have been. Was just challenging the comment that she was killed. It may have been an accident, it may have been murder, it may have been abduction.

iguana

Candie wrote: »

Different people react to acute situations in different ways.

Lots of people interpreted them as looking unfeeling. I remember thinking they looked numb.

I don't understand why anyone would leave three little kids unattended, but they did, and they've paid the highest price possible for their neglect, they have the rest of their lives to be tormented by that.

I think they were neglectful and an opportunistic abductor did the rest. They're guilty of neglect, the abductor is guilty of the abduction.

I don't think they're killers, deliberately or accidentally. I think they come across as unlikeable, and that makes it easy for people to think that they are.

I'd agree with all of that except that Madeline is the one who has paid (or is even still paying) the highest price.

timthumbni

eviltwin wrote: »

If someone took her.

I personally think the child died following an accident. I don't think they killed her. I don't believe she was abducted.

I know this theory. I don't think it was like this. I hope it wasn't like this. In the end I don't know and you don't know either.

iguana

iguana wrote: »

I'd agree with all of that except that Madeline is the one who has paid (or is even still paying) the highest price.

I meant they're paying the highest price that they can pay for their actions.

I can't bear to think of the price Madeleine paid, or continues to pay.

endacl

Where's the 'I have no idea. I'm not privy all the pertinent information. I only know what the tabloids print' option in the poll?

iguana

timthumbni wrote: »

I know this theory. I don't think it was like this. I hope it wasn't like this. In the end I don't know and you don't know either.

Why would you hope it wasn't that? If she didn't die in accident then she was abducted. And if she was abducted then the odds are something awful was done to her and she was murdered or something awful is still happening to her. Dying in an accident due to the benign neglect of her parents is a much, much better fate than that.

Tbh, I believe she was abducted and the theories that she died in an accident are at least partially wishful thinking. I don't honestly think the McCanns and all of their friends could have maintained a cover-up of that scale. I think that someone(s) saw how the children were left alone at night and took the opportunity to take her.

The Randy Riverbeast

endacl wrote: »

Where's the 'I have no idea. I'm not privy all the pertinent information. I only know what the tabloids print' option in the poll?

Either pick up a pitchfork and start detectiving or leave. This is no place for reason and evidence.

PandaX9

Wibbs wrote: »

That has been my take on it and this was reinforced for me when the trained and highly respected sniffer dogs brought in smelled cadaver and blood scents in the apartment and the McCann's hire car. Dogs don't have an agenda and in every case those dogs were involved with before and after they were right on the money.

I find it incredibly suspicious that the press at the time did not choose to highlight this point a bit more. The facts of the case have never added up to me nor have the circumstances of the disappearance. The witness statements by friends of the McCanns had also changed a couple of times within realtively short spaces of time. I understand that it can be difficult to recall certain events but it always struck me as odd.

The positive identification of the cadaver dogs to the McCann's rental car reminds me of the not too dissimilar Casey Anthony case from 2008-2011 where a toddler was missing for 31 days before her duct-tape covered corpse was found. The mother initially claimed that a nanny had abducted her before that was proven to be false. She also lied about a number of things including her place of work and relationship with her parents. The mother's car boot also had duct-tape with the toddler's DNA on it and according to the a few people, smelt like it had had decomposing remains in it at some point. Most shocking to me of all was that Casey Anthony was found not guilty of first degree murder, aggravated child abuse, and aggravated manslaughter of a child. She was found guilty of providing false information to law enforcement officials.

I don't believe the McCann parents are innocent in the Madeleine's disappearance and presumable death. Hopefully I'm wrong and they only thing they are guilty of is neglect but I'm very suspicious of both their behaviour and the investigation as a whole.

Spanish Eyes

The abduction theory makes me always think why just Madeleine?

There were two other kids 18 months old in the same room. Just that for anyone who might be interested.

deco nate

thattequilagirl wrote: »

If it was a tragic accident

a) Why the cover up?

b) Why court so much publicity?

Unless by accident you mean they overdosed their daughter? Because that was a theory at the time, but that would be manslaughter at the least.

To keep themselves out of court, keep on working. Plus they have friends in high places that have prevented them from being taken to court.

To make themselves look innocent.better question would be why do the spend so much money sueing anyone that questions them, rather than use the money that was donated to find out what happened to their kid?.!
Like they said it was for.
Yet they spend most of the money on this bs, and spin doctors.

Summer wind

timthumbni wrote: »

I agree with you to an extent but is there any parents that haven't made mistakes with their kids? Lets not forget tHat the real criminal here is the one who took her.

the mcanns will have to live with this for the rest of their lives and assuming they had nothing to do with it then they will suffer every day for their loss.

I hate even thinking about it and I have no connection to it.

I think leaving three children under the age of 4 alone in an unlocked apartment in a strange country while they went out is a lot more than a parent making a mistake with their children. It's an absolute disgrace that they were not prosecuted for putting their three children in such danger.

Arghus

None of us have a clue really.

deco nate

Candie wrote: »

I meant they're paying the highest price that they can pay for their actions.

I can't bear to think of the price Madeleine paid, or continues to pay.

BULL****, they left her and her siblings in an unlocked apartment while they went for food an a big piss up. Paying the price my hole. They also said at one point that it was just the same as having a BBQ in your back garden, yet they were in a holiday resort... With 100s of other people in the area of the apartment. and they deem it OK to leave the kids alone and the doors unlocked. Yea that's the same thing.
Also how about them ringing the UK right after the so-called abduction happened?

Some very strange time lines to their story

wadk

PandaX9 wrote: »

I find it incredibly suspicious that the press at the time did not choose to highlight this point a bit more. The facts of the case have never added up to me nor have the circumstances of the disappearance. The witness statements by friends of the McCanns had also changed a couple of times within realtively short spaces of time. I understand that it can be difficult to recall certain events but it always struck me as odd.

The positive identification of the cadaver dogs to the McCann's rental car reminds me of the not too dissimilar Casey Anthony case from 2008-2011 where a toddler was missing for 31 days before her duct-tape covered corpse was found. The mother initially claimed that a nanny had abducted her before that was proven to be false. She also lied about a number of things including her place of work and relationship with her parents. The mother's car boot also had duct-tape with the toddler's DNA on it and according to the a few people, smelt like it had had decomposing remains in it at some point. Most shocking to me of all was that Casey Anthony was found not guilty of first degree murder, aggravated child abuse, and aggravated manslaughter of a child. She was found guilty of providing false information to law enforcement officials.

I don't believe the McCann parents are innocent in the Madeleine's disappearance and presumable death. Hopefully I'm wrong and they only thing they are guilty of is neglect but I'm very suspicious of both their behaviour and the investigation as a whole.

Was it not proven she had cuts in that car at time of lease,

wadk

deco nate wrote: »

BULL****, they left her and her siblings in an unlocked apartment while they went for food an a big piss up. Paying the price my hole. They also said at one point that it was just the same as having a BBQ in your back garden, yet they were in a holiday resort... With 100s of other people and they deem it OK to leave the kids alone and the doors unlocked. Yea that's the same thing.
Also how about them ringing the UK right after the so-called abduction happened?

Some very strange time lines to their story

I suggest you look into an article on independent.ie re Amy fitzpatricks disappearance from an Irish detectives perspective
As a friend of mine said today
Useless the Spanish cops
Could possibly stick the Portuguese police there to
Sure why are the met finding it hard to get a break through
That's right
Portuguese law!

wadk

Your nonsense

deco nate

wadk wrote: »

I suggest you look into an article on independent.ie re Amy fitzpatricks disappearance from an Irish detectives perspective
As a friend of mine said today
Useless the Spanish cops
Could possibly stick the Portuguese police there to
Sure why are the met finding it hard to get a break through
That's right
Portuguese law!

Expand please before I reply

wadk

deco nate wrote: »

Expand please before I reply

Go away true detective
So you believe a Portuguese cop that writes a book!!!
Are you an Irish or British detective or reading to many true detective mags?

wadk

deco nate wrote: »

Expand please before I reply

You've also dismissed anybody else's thoughts or suggestions
Go on lug
Inform us if you may

deco nate

wadk wrote: »

Was it not proven she had cuts in that car at time of lease,

Cadaver dogs are just that, they will not respond to blood stains, they literally respond to death smells. Not cuts

wadk

deco nate wrote: »

Cadaver dogs are just that, they will not respond to blood stains, they literally respond to death smells. Not cuts

And??? Where's the fkn body so??

deco nate

wadk wrote: »

You've also dismissed anybody else's thoughts or suggestions
Go on lug
Inform us if you may

Your posts have added nothing, good luck with yourself.
I will not reply to any of your posts from here on in.