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National demonstration against the rising cost of insurance
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shietpilot wrote: »Here, nobody is tarring anyone with any brush. I'm a big fan of modified cars but facts are facts, modified car drivers are higher risk drivers. I'm not saying they are poor drivers. However you don't want a bunch of lads with modified cars driving around with choons on full volume blasting away, it's the wrong sort of image.
I'm hoping it will turn out great and that the number of well-behaved drivers massively outweighs the bad ones but going by the Dublin Meets trend I wouldn't be surprised if it all went to sh*te.
Ah i know the Dublin meets craic doesn't help the image at all. But look, if fellas are going to be idiots when they have a chance to do some good, then there's not much we can do. I can't exclude people from this unfortunately, just have to hope for the best. I've done my bit by giving people a platform to show their anger in a respectful way, it's up to those in attendance in July to back me up.
If they don't, well that'll be a shame, but I'm just hoping for the best. I'll rest easy knowing I've done the best I can to better our lot a bit
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Kiangriffin wrote: »Ah i know the Dublin meets craic doesn't help the image at all. But look, if fellas are going to be idiots when they have a chance to do some good, then there's not much we can do. I can't exclude people from this unfortunately, just have to hope for the best. I've done my bit by giving people a platform to show their anger in a respectful way, it's up to those in attendance in July to back me up.
If they don't, well that'll be a shame, but I'm just hoping for the best. I'll rest easy knowing I've done the best I can to better our lot a bit
In fairness you've done a very good job so far! The Facebook group is blowing up with people saying they will come. Hopefully everyone does end up going there in the end and it will be a good turnout. I might drop down and see what the craic is anyway. Hopefully all goes well
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shietpilot wrote: »In fairness you've done a very good job so far! The Facebook group is blowing up with people saying they will come. Hopefully everyone does end up going there in the end and it will be a good turnout. I might drop down and see what the craic is anyway. Hopefully all goes well
Here's hoping, it's too far gone to stop it now anyway! lol0 -
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Is the Carlow TD going to be there? She's all over Facebook saying she wants the Euro to look into the Irish insurance industry
Talk is cheap so one TD jumps on the bandwagon and claims whatever and next week forgets it
Next weeks issue the TD´s jumps on is drinking in public or social welfare claims thats what TD´s do ride the hot topic until a new one arrives.
Europe wont do squat about the Irish motorist getting raped on Insurance.
The EU didnt stop the Irish government raping the Irish motorists over VRT on top of basic costs of cars so Irish pay often more than 30% more for new cars .
Neither did the EU help the Danish or Portugese motorists whos governments also rape them with high VRT tax
Until the Irish people wake up the TD´s mantra is " I am alright Jack how about you " and the people will always get the shaft without lube becuase they dont know how to command thier civil servants the TD
Many think the only way you can get a TD to know your mad is to protest outside thier office and homes thier locals thier resterants wherever there is a TD skulking and do it every day possible until they have to do something about it .
That doesnt work the TDs laugh at that .
Protest is acceptance of the done deed and soon blow over when they run of steam or sponduliks to complain anymore and take the shafting without the lube
The only thing that TD´s pay attension to is hand written letters .
All civil servant fear is the hand written letter the rest protests are to be ignored .
Each letter the TD gets he/she estimates represents several hundred other people as the rest of the people are too lazy to write
The TD´S are like the bull fighter in the ring they run circles around the petrol heads who do protests and laugh all the way to the bank .:pac:
However if a TD got 1000 letters about car insurance hike issues that would mean for him7her close to 50,000 people were angry and he7she would move that to top of his/her pile of most urget issues to solve ASAP.
Think of the hand written letter as the frag grenade up the TD rear end
Protests outside his gaff or his local thats par for the course the TD can ignore that as next weeks protest about nursery care or social welfare claims will do that stunt the next week and it water off a ducks back for the TD
Also you need to have some message and solution what do we motorists want
We wannna this this and this and no paper over the cracks solutions the TD`s do
For example what do we motorists want
Do we free insurance
Do we want insurance in the fuel per liter
Do we want flat rate insurance
Do we want insurarce from a government body and remove the car insurance industry from the equation partialy or totaly
or do we just wanna shout and roar do doughnuts and then bend over and take the shafting without lube :eek:
Until there is precise logical demands the the TD`s will take us morists for another ride so bend over
Me I would opt for demand per car flat rate €150 euro flat rate third party for injuries and death insurance from a government body such as injuries board.
Then every body could take this policy put for €150 from post office or other government places like l car tax office
Then the money goes to Injuries board directly .
The insurance disk would be same put ont he window .Partail year insurance would be easily possible such as weekly insurance with some admin costs but would suit those on low incomes.
Then those who want more insurance theft fire whatever could get seperate policy from Insurance companies or fromanother government bodyset up to supply that if Insurance were unable to supply that service
The government also could allow insurance companies collect the €150 included in every policy if they want .
Then at the end of the quater year or year the Insurance industry could forward the €150 to Injuries board .
If a new Setanta came to town and tried a SCAM they would only get away with fraction of the cash and the result would not be seven years of loot collected and leaving 35 million plus claims unpaid for MIBI to collect .
Yes the damage to property could risk not to be paid but injuries and death payouts would be basicaly insured
Also it might be possible to remove or reduce the parsites like MIBI from the equation with some tweaking of the system
For me until the Car insurance protesters find some people with Brians to have real workable solutions to the problem then its bend over time no lube time yet again0 -
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Talk is cheap so one TD jumps on the bandwagon and claims whatever and next week forgets it
Next weeks issue the TD´s jumps on is drinking in public or social welfare claims thats what TD´s do ride the hot topic until a new one arrives.
Europe wont do squat about the Irish motorist getting raped on Insurance.
The EU didnt stop the Irish government raping the Irish motorists over VRT on top of basic costs of cars so Irish pay often more than 30% more for new cars .
Neither did the EU help the Danish or Portugese motorists whos governments also rape them with high VRT tax
Until the Irish people wake up the TD´s mantra is " I am alright Jack how about you " and the people will always get the shaft without lube becuase they dont know how to command thier civil servants the TD
Many think the only way you can get a TD to know your mad is to protest outside thier office and homes thier locals thier resterants wherever there is a TD skulking and do it every day possible until they have to do something about it .
That doesnt work the TDs laugh at that .
Protest is acceptance of the done deed and soon blow over when they run of steam or sponduliks to complain anymore and take the shafting without the lube
The only thing that TD´s pay attension to is hand written letters .
All civil servant fear is the hand written letter the rest protests are to be ignored .
Each letter the TD gets he/she estimates represents several hundred other people as the rest of the people are too lazy to write
The TD´S are like the bull fighter in the ring they run circles around the petrol heads who do protests and laugh all the way to the bank .:pac:
However if a TD got 1000 letters about car insurance hike issues that would mean for him7her close to 50,000 people were angry and he7she would move that to top of his/her pile of most urget issues to solve ASAP.
Think of the hand written letter as the frag grenade up the TD rear end
Protests outside his gaff or his local thats par for the course the TD can ignore that as next weeks protest about nursery care or social welfare claims will do that stunt the next week and it water off a ducks back for the TD
Also you need to have some message and solution what do we motorists want
We wannna this this and this and no paper over the cracks solutions the TD`s do
For example what do we motorists want
Do we free insurance
Do we want insurance in the fuel per liter
Do we want flat rate insurance
Do we want insurarce from a government body and remove the car insurance industry from the equation partialy or totaly
or do we just wanna shout and roar do doughnuts and then bend over and take the shafting without lube :eek:
Until there is precise logical demands the the TD`s will take us morists for another ride so bend over
Me I would opt for demand per car flat rate €150 euro flat rate third party for injuries and death insurance from a government body such as injuries board.
Then every body could take this policy put for €150 from post office or other government places like l car tax office
Then the money goes to Injuries board directly .
The insurance disk would be same put ont he window .Partail year insurance would be easily possible such as weekly insurance with some admin costs but would suit those on low incomes.
Then those who want more insurance theft fire whatever could get seperate policy from Insurance companies or fromanother government bodyset up to supply that if Insurance were unable to supply that service
The government also could allow insurance companies collect the €150 included in every policy if they want .
Then at the end of the quater year or year the Insurance industry could forward the €150 to Injuries board .
If a new Setanta came to town and tried a SCAM they would only get away with fraction of the cash and the result would not be seven years of loot collected and leaving 35 million plus claims unpaid for MIBI to collect .
Yes the damage to property could risk not to be paid but injuries and death payouts would be basicaly insured
Also it might be possible to remove or reduce the parsites like MIBI from the equation with some tweaking of the system
For me until the Car insurance protesters find some people with Brians to have real workable solutions to the problem then its bend over time no lube time yet again
I don't get this?
"Me I would opt for demand per car flat rate €150 euro flat rate third party for injuries and death insurance from a government body such as injuries board"
Is this an additional €150 per policy or the complete policy costing €150?
It the latter, What happens when someone hits my car? Do I have to cover the cost myself?
The biggest problem regards insurance is fraudulent claims, Bitta whiplash or a sore back is guaranteed €xxxx and is never questioned.0 -
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irish bloke wrote: »+1 for everyone demonstrating.
Regardless of how, where & when you do it, at least you are doing something.
It’s very easy & dare I say it Irish to sit back in our armchairs, do nothing and critique it.
Many disagreed with some of the water protests methods too, and look where they got.
What exactly did water protesters achieve?
Its been delayed for a few years, but its still there. Politically its just a football, with anyone wishing to get a vote denouncing it, obviously appealing to the masses that don't understand basic economics. They didn't magically recover the immense sunk costs and a few of them, rightly or wrongly, are tying up the courts at the tax payers expense for sitting around a politicians car. To be clear, I don't agree with the way Irish Water was handled, but to say the protests actually achieved anything is dubious at best.
I genuinely hope this protest, should it go ahead, is nothing like the Irish Water protests.
A far more productive measure would be for someone to form a committee and door step the insurance companies. Get the facts, audit them with some people of intelligence / experience and present them back to the motoring public in clear terms, for better of worse. People are far more receptive of the answer to a 'Why' question as opposed to a flat line 'Because we say so' Go a step further, form a club and go in on a group buy for insurance. This avenue is possible and I've seen it achieve drastic reductions in premiums.0 -
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What exactly did water protesters achieve? Its been delayed for a few years, but its still there. Politically its just a football, with anyone wishing to get a vote denouncing it, obviously appealing to the masses that don't understand basic economics. They didn't magically recover the immense sunk costs and a few of them, rightly or wrongly, are tying up the courts at the tax payers expense for sitting around a politicians car. To be clear, I don't agree with the way Irish Water was handled, but to say the protests actually achieved anything is dubious at best.
I genuinely hope this protest, should it go ahead, is nothing like the Irish Water protests.
A far more productive measure would be for someone to form a committee and door step the insurance companies. Get the facts, audit them with some people of intelligence / experience and present them back to the motoring public in clear terms, for better of worse. People are far more receptive of the answer to a 'Why' question as opposed to a flat line 'Because we say so' Go a step further, form a club and go in on a group buy for insurance. This avenue is possible and I've seen it achieve drastic reductions in premiums.
Not interested in debating a political issue on the Motors forum, but the point I am trying to make is if we all just sit behind our keyboards and do nothing but type opinions all day, nothing will ever get done…0
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