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Protestant/Catholic megathread
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05-05-2016 7:43am#1
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Unfortunately the differences between Catholic and Protestant are well embedded in the genes in Ireland. To consider the religious aspect, most Christians adhere to the branch of Christianity they were baptised in, with some exceptions of course.
It follows then that our particular beliefs have been decided by chance at the particular baptismal font. Proclaiming our version of Christianity is the 'correct one' is, either overtly or subtly, stating that the 'other guy' is 'incorrect'.
No matter whether we are Catholic or Protestant or indeed any other religion , we all are 'the other guy' too. I would suggest we are 'all right' provided we are sincere in our respective beliefs - we will be judged according to our particular 'light', ie what we were shown to be true.
Just a thought and an opinion.
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solodeogloria wrote: »Good morning!
I see the fact that the Christianity forum is multi-denominational. We should be more interested in the gospel of Jesus Christ rather than a particular church particularly with the advance of atheism and other religious philosophical systems in society. I feel that Roman Catholics need to understand that the days of their privilege in Irish society are over and they need to engage with Irish society in a fresh way. Why not grab the opportunity to do that and to learn from other Christians?
I make no apologies that I am a Protestant and that I stand wholeheartedly for the cause of the Reformation and continued Reformation in our churches. It is unlikely that I will ever become a Roman Catholic, but I do hope to understand.
I think we should reason things through together for the benefit of understanding in a loving tone. The feeling I get often from this forum is that people sneer and look down at my particular understanding of Christianity. We should be using this opportunity to build each other up with our speech (Ephesians 4:29).
Why not use our corralling as a good thing rather than using it to point score? I've seen this on the thread about the decline of Christianity in England and Wales in particular.
If the Christianity forum just becomes a place for denominational willy waving about who is the best, then it's not a fruitful place for anyone.
Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria
Well put solo.
Unfortunately there are those who assert that the RCC is the one true church,failing to recognise that there was a church before anything even began in Rome, never mind an organised denomination. As a result of this view, there is the mindset that the rest of us are heretical and worthy of burning at the stake.
That we dare to not fall into line with the doctrines of the RCC is one thing but to have the audacity to challenge it's teachings in the light if scripture deserves nothing more than to be sneered at and ignored.
Thankfully, there was always a church outside of the main denominations that held as much as possible to the truth and as a consequence suffered for the sake of the gospel.0 -
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This might not be the best place to ask this question, but here goes.
On the radio this morning some Olympian swimmer from the USA was being interviewed.
When asked about his family, he replied that his father's side was Greek, and his mother's side were Scotch-Irish.
Is this code for Presbyterian? You hear it referred to occasionally, usually in relation to people in America, but I've never been sure what Scotch Irish actually is?
A Potted History of the Scots-Irish (Scotch refers to whiskey )
This refers to Scottish settlers who settled in Northern Ireland, then, a generation or two later, emigrated to America (for both economic and religious freedom issues). They were the first great wave of Irish immigrants to the US, but their descendants later designated themselves as 'Scots-Irish' to differentiate themselves from later waves of immigration during the Famine.
Millions of Americans are descended from these settlers, and they did, of course, provide the first Irish-American President (not John F Kennedy, but Andrew Jackson, whose parents were from near Carrickfergus).
The Scots-Irish were initially Presbyterian, but that soon changed in a generation or so. Although they entered America through places like Delaware, they formed the backbone of settlements in the Appalachians and the South. There were no universities there, and Presbyterian ministers at that time had to be College-educated. So most of the Scots-Irish ended up as Baptist or Methodist - giving the Bible Belt its religion and the music tradition of bluegrass (which spawned the musical Gehenna of Country and Western). They also became pretty good at making moonshine.0 -
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You mean splitting the Christianity forum something like this?
Rough example . . .
Christianity - Roman Catholic.
Christianity - R.C. (Latin Mass).
Christianity - Protestant/Anglican.
Christianity - Protestant/Methodist.
Christianity - Protestant/Presbyterian.
Christianity - Protestant/Lutheran.
Christianity - Protestant/Coptic.
Christianity - Protestant/Evangelical.
Personally I think the Christian family of denominations have far too much in common than to start seperating us into different Christian forums. Admittedly I have no idea about a lot of specific Roman Catholic topics/issues which might involve RC dogma, Saints, Miracles, five Solas, Novena's, Miraculous medals etc, but I do find it interesting to have a look in, even if I can't contribute! and I guess the reverse applies too, with a lot of RC posters learning things about us Prods and our avenues of Christianity. And at the end of the day, we're all Christians . . . .
You left out the rest of us who are Christian - non denominational who wouldnt consider ourselves any shade of protestant 0 -
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steamengine wrote: »Nothing ventured, nothing gained - trying to get 25 signatures might be a problem as I doubt there are that many Christians, of any hue posting here, never mind Catholics who might support you. However, if you go for it you can have a +1 from .me.
Ah I don't know.... I'd support hinault just to get rid of him and off to his own Little sub forum.
Can we get one called Hinaults sub forum, all for him...precedence is set with kneemos getting his own thread elsewhere0 -
Atlas Gorgeous Shutterbug wrote: »Ah I don't know.... I'd support hinault just to get rid of him and off to his own Little sub forum.
Can we get one called Hinaults sub forum, all for him...precedence is set with kneemos getting his own thread elsewhere
That's +2 now - you may be on a roll here Hinault - any more support for Hinault's Catholic sub-forum ?????????? Maybe some of our atheist friends might throw in a few +1's as well.0 -
steamengine wrote: »That's +2 now - you may be on a roll here Hinault - any more support for Hinault's Catholic sub-forum ?????????? Maybe some of our atheist friends might throw in a few +1's as well.
Can someone tell hinault that this needs to go to forum requests?
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Atlas Gorgeous Shutterbug wrote: »Can someone tell hinault that this needs to go to forum requests?
It's already there.0 -
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Atlas Gorgeous Shutterbug wrote: »You left out the rest of us who are Christian - non denominational who wouldnt consider ourselves any shade of protestant
And there are men who think they are women; women who think they are men; people who think they are things other than human....and you all belong in the same place...a padded room:D0 -
lazybones32 wrote: »And there are men who think they are women; women who think they are men; people who think they are things other than human....and you all belong in the same place...a padded room:D
You assume I've not been there already 0 -
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We talk about this regularly. Herself brings the kids to mass an odd time and I've fallen away near completly now, we'd be considered Catholic.
But like sooo many Catholics I know we no more believe that the communion has been turned into the body of Christ than we believe the moon is made of cheese. This fact alone really means we're more aligned with Protestantism than Catholicism, but we're interested in neither to the extent that we'd change religion.
But of course you wouldn't be changing your religion, just your Christian denomination within Christianity. If you like music and you're good singers, then you should certainly check us out)
We also have Sunday school too! lots of colouring books, drawing, painting etc for the kids . . .
PS: We're also of the catholic Church, but with a small c.0 -
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No, I'll pass, thanks. I see the request as just a little short of sectarianism. I appreciate that some might not like reading about and interacting with other religious beliefs. Whilst it might be a silly comparison (I'll make it anyway), I am from Northern Ireland, and I think a lot of the trouble we see there stems from a very similar attitude. Separate school, separate shops in some areas, separate football team, separate politicians. It is ridiculous and it isn't helpful. This is just an extension of that kind of attitude, and it is unhelpful.
Aside from the fact that I don't agree with it in principle, I think it is a silly idea in practical terms too. There isn't a huge amount of footfall in this forum, and I see no evidence to suggest that this change would change that. Splitting a not very busy forum into two forums just seems like a recipe to kill at least one of them off. Added to that, where does it stop? There are over 33 thousand flavours of christianity, how many forums would we need?
You guys are all supposedly christians, I find it difficult to understand why you can't just get along. I know us atheists have a reputation of be troublesome and problematic here (I know I am occasionally guilty of perhaps, maybe, sometime possibly, perhaps saying something I shouldn't) I do find that some of the nastiest stuff seem sot be blue on blue.
MrP
Posts 19 & 20 say it all MrP. Its firmly tongue in cheek with a lot of hope behind it
Unfortunately, not all who claim to be Christian are Christian. As Jesus Himself said in response to those whose hope was in the fact that they did miracles in His Name .. "You will say to me, Lord, Lord and I'll say I never never knew you".0 -
But of course you wouldn't be changing your religion, just your Christian denomination within Christianity. If you like music and you're good singers, then you should certainly check us out)
We also have Sunday school too! lots of colouring books, drawing, painting etc for the kids . . .
PS: We're also of the catholic Church, but with a small c.
LordSutch, I was always of this opinion too until I recently read this.....
http://ireland.anglican.org/about/
That capital 'C' really surprised me!0 -
Well that really throws a spanner in the works)
It was always so easy to differentiate between Catholics & catholics, but now?
I could sware that when I was confirmed (many moons ago), the teaching was that we too were catholic, but with a small c.
Therein lied the difference (between Roman Catholics & Anglicans), who are also of the catholic faith, but who are not instructed by Rome.
So I've been a Catholic all along and I didn't know it :eek:0 -
I got the same teaching at Confirmation class. Some spanner isn't it? Y'learn something new every day. What with capital 'C's' and Anglo-Catholics, where will it all end? Does this mean one day we will all be one church as Christ intended? Wow! That's wonderful! Now all we need to do is address the (few?) differences between us and eliminate them! RC to offer Communion to other Christians is first on the list. Would Protestants take the second step and what would that be? I'm not praying to Mary anyway! No way Pedro! :P 0
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Jellybaby1 wrote: »I got the same teaching at Confirmation class. Some spanner isn't it? Y'learn something new every day. What with capital 'C's' and Anglo-Catholics, where will it all end? Does this mean one day we will all be one church as Christ intended? Wow! That's wonderful! Now all we need to do is address the (few?) differences between us and eliminate them! RC to offer Communion to other Christians is first on the list. Would Protestants take the second step and what would that be? I'm not praying to Mary anyway! No way Pedro! :P
Why would protestants or any others take communion in the RCC? The fundamental stumbling block is the idea of transubstantiation.
And why pray to someone who has been redeemed just like me?
It's an interesting picture of the church in the old testament tabernacle. All the boards which made up the walls were covered in silver on the base.
The picture represents the redeemed ones (us), the silver represents redemption. All the boards are level with each other.
No one in the church is greater than the other, all needed to be redeemed by Jesus's death.0 -
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He has so many people on ignore he practically is talking to himself.Atlas Gorgeous Shutterbug wrote: »While I agree, an RCC forum would allow a certain user to talk to himself and leave the rest of us to get on with being grown ups and debate the issues in a reasonable manner.:D
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