Yaris hybrid, anyone?

The Black Oil

Any owners here? I'm thinking of getting one. Any pros and cons you find from having one?

Don't know much about them but it would be leaps and bounds better than driving any diesel.

You'd have to test drive one and it takes time to get used to the hybrid system and how to get the best out of it.

You could probably get a 2014 2nd hand Leaf with 6.6 Kw charger for this money if range wasn't an issue the full EV drive is leaps and bounds better again. The 30 Kwh Leaf new is a bit expensive but you'd be surprised how much it would cost on PCP if you do little mileage, then again if you do little mileage a 2nd hand 24 Kwh battery leaf would probably suit just fine.

colm_mcm

Far as i know, Alanstrainer, the motoring mod has one in the family.

I think they're a great little car as an alternative to an automatic Yaris. Not sure about real life mpg or anything. They crapped out a bit on the spec as time went on, base ones have wheel trims etc.

Colmcav

My mother bought one lately. Great city car, auto and very manoeuvrable. More spacious than it looks. Averaging 4.8l per 100km in mostly city driving, over the first 1000km. At the moment, €38 to fill it and will do 600km on that. Smooth and relaxed. Once warmed up the engine tends to stay off a lot of the time around town. Not amazing on motorway and economy seriously suffers at continuous high speed, but well able all the same; just not its' comfort zone. Peppy enough to drive when you ask it, but lulls you into a more relaxed style of driving it. Could therefore seem underpowered unless you consciously put the foot down. She got luxury spec and well worth it. Plenty of gizmos and well trimmed for a small car. Overall recommended as an easy small car, just not much personality to it.

12Phase

Considering they're basically a cut down version of the Prius system which has proven itself to be an extremely reliable drive train, they're probably pretty good.

Toyota has really done a very good job of proving hybrid technology and is very mainstream.

Whatever the Prius looses on the motorway (over 120 kph) it gains back in town and city driving and then some.

What a diesel gains on the motorway it looses in the town city.

What you get per tank is what matters.

12Phase

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Whatever the Prius looses on the motorway (over 120 kph) it gains back in town and city driving and then some.

What a diesel gains on the motorway it looses in the town city.

What you get per tank is what matters.

There's a massive difference in power output between the Prius and Yaris hybrid on the motorway. The modern Prius has a 1.8L

Prius is claiming 70g/km
NOx 16mg/km
94mpg petrol

Cleanest Diesel is a supermini (i.e. much smaller)
Peugeot 208 1.6 BlueHDi -
79g CO2/km
34mg NOx
94mpg diesel.

Hybrid gives you a significantly cleaner, easier to maintain engine without the need for complex particular filters and so on. It's quieter running, bigger care, less CO2, less NOx no need to handle gunky diesel pumps.

As a ICE compromise, they're very nice cars.

I'd be interested in seeing how the new Plug-in Prius models fare.

12Phase

12Phase wrote: »

There's a massive difference in power output between the Prius and Yaris hybrid on the motorway. The modern Prius has a 1.8L

Prius is claiming 70g/km
NOx 16mg/km
94mpg petrol

Cleanest Diesel is a supermini (i.e. much smaller)
Peugeot 208 1.6 BlueHDi -
79g CO2/km
34mg NOx
94mpg diesel.

Hybrid gives you a significantly cleaner, easier to maintain engine without the need for complex particular filters and so on. It's quieter running, bigger care, less CO2, less NOx no need to handle gunky diesel pumps.

As a ICE compromise, they're very nice cars.

I'd be interested in seeing how the new Plug-in Prius models fare.

True I'm forgetting the new Prius is more powerful, still 100 hp isn't bad compared to the 1.4 or 1.0L petrol that would normally be in this car.

The plug in is a lot more expensive, not available in Ireland but it would be a good bit more than the 30 Kwh leaf. Toyota are taking the mick these days still charging what they do for Hybrids, the cost has never come down.

12Phase

Wasn't the plug in prius launched here with some hype back in 2010?
Gone off the market?

http://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/414/Toyota-introduces-Prius-Plug-In-Hybrid-to-Ireland

ei9go

Local dealer told us recently that their Yaris Hybrid is doing 5.5L per 100k on mostly urban driving and that their new Prius is doing 4.6L / 100km

Bear in mind that diesel is about 20% cheaper than petrol when doing the maths.

Can't all be about the cost, fuel economy etc, buy the car you like and that I know is reliable. I'd rather have a car that consumed a bit more fuel that I liked.

I'd take what dealers say with a pinch of salt.

If I want to have saved money I would have keep the Prius and not bought the Leaf. But the fuel is mega cheap !

stimpson

ei9go wrote: »

Local dealer told us recently that their Yaris Hybrid is doing 5.5L per 100k on mostly urban driving and that their new Prius is doing 4.6L / 100km

Bear in mind that diesel is about 20% cheaper than petrol when doing the maths.

I've done 3000 km in my Auris Hybrid Touring and I'm averaging 5.3l/100km. It does ~5.9 on the motorway. Except the M50 at rush hour - I've seen sub 4l/100, even with the wife driving. I'd be surprised if you couldn't do better around town in a Yaris Hybrid. Much nicer to drive than my old 2.0 D4D too, once you get used to the CVT box.

Having said all that, I'd probably recommend diesel over hybrid for someone doing mainly motorway driving. The numbers just don't stack up for hybrid if you're always cruising at 120km/h.

stimpson

stimpson wrote: »

Having said all that, I'd probably recommend diesel over hybrid for someone doing mainly motorway driving. The numbers just don't stack up for hybrid if you're always cruising at 120km/h.

On the contrary, Most of my prius miles were motorway, but the trips in town, short trips and the driving off the motorway helped me achieve 4.6-4.8 L/100 kms and 4.3 if I bothered.

What you loose on the motorway you gain in town in the Hybrid.

You're not "always crusing at 120 Kph" sometimes people forget the amount of time they sit in traffic or spend off the motorway.

A 2nd hand Leaf is also a great car if the range isn't an issue, I drive 135 Kms daily for work, yes I have work charging but used the fast charger for 10 mins on the way home. Not for everyone but is a great car.

stimpson

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On the contrary, Most of my prius miles were motorway, but the trips in town, short trips and the driving off the motorway helped me achieve 4.6-4.8 L/100 kms and 4.3 if I bothered.

What you loose on the motorway you gain in town in the Hybrid.

You're not "always crusing at 120 Kph" sometimes people forget the amount of time they sit in traffic or spend off the motorway.

A 2nd hand Leaf is also a great car if the range isn't an issue, I drive 135 Kms daily for work, yes I have work charging but used the fast charger for 10 mins on the way home. Not for everyone but is a great car.

Obviously if you're commuting at rush hour you're not going to hit 120 and as I said, rush hour M50 gives me sub 4l/100. But I said "if" you cruise at 120 you're not going to see that kind of economy. Most of the time if I'm going to Belfast or Cork I would sit st 120 for the majority of the journey and would get ~6l/100. A 1.6 TDI would get less and diesel is cheaper. Horses for courses.

Looking st fuelly.com, mk3 Prius averages 54mpg which is 5.23l/100 - bang on my average so far.

The Black Oil

Thanks for the posts and responses. It's not practical for me to own a fully electric car such as a Leaf, though the nerd side of me would find it interesting.

I've some more thinking to do.

Cost wise , a 2nd hand, 2014 would probably be as cheap as a new yaris hybrid, if the range is an issue then this is a different matter.

zilog_jones

12Phase wrote: »

Wasn't the plug in prius launched here with some hype back in 2010?
Gone off the market?

The Prius Plug-in was launched in 2012 in some markets, but not Ireland. I just bought a used 2012 from NI and I'm pretty happy with it so far. The next generation Plug-in (should be launched at the end of the year) has twice the battery capacity and they claim 35km range in EV mode (I'm getting about 14km in mine, in hilly Cork).

ei9go wrote: »

Local dealer told us recently that their Yaris Hybrid is doing 5.5L per 100k on mostly urban driving and that their new Prius is doing 4.6L / 100km.

http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/yaris?engineconfig_id=&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=62

Average of about 54 MPG (5.2 l/100km) based on 48 owners. The trip computers are not particularly accurate so you're best off calculating it based on actual fuel used (my Prius claimed I got 4 MPG better than reality).

The Black Oil wrote: »

Thanks for the posts and responses. It's not practical for me to own a fully electric car such as a Leaf, though the nerd side of me would find it interesting.

I got a Prius for the same reasons. It certainly makes you think a lot more about how you drive, especially with all the feedback you get from the car (the Hybrid System Indicator is probably the most useful).

The Black Oil

I was in the back of a 2012 Prius taxi on Saturday. Had I been the front seat passenger I'd have asked the driver about his experience with it. I didn't particularly like the dash display - less so the information, just the design of it.

Alanstrainor

My mother has a 131 Yaris hybrid bought new, with nice spec. Pearl white metallic paint, reversing camera, bluetooth, ac, alloys etc etc. It's a really pleasant car to drive, the CVT box takes some getting used to but it just works. Don't be expecting a performance car is all I'll say! The seats are nice and comfy, they seem almost sporty. As for mpg I just don't have the figures to hand, but as a city car it is really remarkable. The ould fella loves to remind me how good on petrol it is, especially when compared to my 2.5 litre!

As for motorway driving its just not really meant for it. It'll be able for it, but if you're expecting it to be a motorway cruiser every day then you should look elsewhere! To me it simply felt like any city c'ass car would feel on the motorway.

My folks are certainly happy with theirs, so much so they'll be receiving their 162 Yaris hybrid in the next week or so!

If there's any more specific questions you have then feel free to ask, I can pop my dad a few questions too if need be.

The Black Oil

Thanks, Alanstrainor, for your 2 cents. Good to hear your folks have had a positive experience.

I'm probably over thinking it a little bit. If I were to commute it'd about 60 km daily, mostly on the M1 and M50. That might come down when I move from where I am now. At the moment, I use the bus as I don't have a car. I did see a few first generation Yarises (sp?!) on the M1 this morning. I think something of that era would be a definite no, but the newer generation possibly more passable for commutes that aren't terribly long. I'm not lugging around equipment, other people (much) or children, so the load on the car wouldn't be such to automatically consider a different class of vehicle, at least not at this stage of my life.

Alanstrainor

The Black Oil wrote: »

Thanks, Alanstrainor, for your 2 cents. Good to hear your folks have had a positive experience.

I'm probably over thinking it a little bit. If I were to commute it'd about 60 km daily, mostly on the M1 and M50. That might come down when I move from where I am now. At the moment, I use the bus as I don't have a car. I did see a few first generation Yarises (sp?!) on the M1 this morning. I think something of that era would be a definite no, but the newer generation possibly more passable for commutes that aren't terribly long. I'm not lugging around equipment, other people (much) or children, so the load on the car wouldn't be such to automatically consider a different class of vehicle, at least not at this stage of my life.

I'd say it would do well enough in your scenario, so would a prius mind... but if your budget only leaves you with enough for the Yaris I think it would be a decent option. I would guess a lot of that driving is in traffic? Making it make more sense as stop start is the ideal usage for a hybrid.

Small, very economical automatic that looks and drives well. Can't go too far wrong really!

Soarer

Bought one at the start of the year in the UK for the inlaws.

T-spirit model, so she has all the bells and whistles.
Bought in London and drove her back to Cork. Set the cruise control and followed all the speed limits home. By the time I pulled up at their place, the computer said I'd averaged 52.8mpg for the 525 miles.
Not bad for a little city car on the open road. She was grand and solid too.

Edit: VRT was only about €500 too. So with the exchange rate the way it is, there's value to be had heading across the water.

Edit again: Just found the VRT receipt. Twas only €280, plus €23.81 for missing the first appointment! €303.81 total.

oinkely

what year was that soarer?

Just looked at VRT on a 13 model and it was €938

Soarer

It was October 2012.

Bought in December last year, registered early this.

Checked earlier on the calculator, and it seems to be up a few hundred alright. Maybe they've increased the OMSP?

I was looking at this T-Spirit earlier.
She's a little beauty.
In The Wirral, so fly into Liverpool, they collect you from the airport, and it's only 60 odd miles to Holyhead for the ferry.
Definitely would be bought for £7,000, maybe less.
£7k on XE.Com at the minute is €8470. Round that up to €8600 for banks, etc.
Give yourself €500 for a flight and ferry.
So €9100 to get the car home.
VRT is depending on what month she was registered!
She's a 13 plate, so it's between March and August....
March - €809
April - €801
May - €794
June - €786
July - €599
August - €594

Strangely, the newer the car, the less VRT is to be paid. You'd pay €786 to register her as a 131 for June, but only €599 to register her as a 132 for July! Mental.

Take the worst case VRT figure above of €809, add that to the worst case of €9100 earlier. Throw on a year's tax @ €180.
So for the worst case price of €10,089, you'd have a gem of a car that'll probably outlast yourself!

If I was in the market for one, it'd be that exact car I'd go for.

The Black Oil

Thanks all. How is it re servicing costs, fairly typical? I'm not sure if the likes of the 'safety pack', feature such as lane departure warning are worth adding on.

Prius would take up too much of my bank account, really. Could go for a second one, I guess, but don't really want something of that size at present. There's a few 2012 ones at around 19k or thereabouts.

Not seeing a working link, Soarer.

Soarer

Fixed the link.

Can't tell you about servicing as they've not serviced it yet!

September1

Soarer wrote: »

Strangely, the newer the car, the less VRT is to be paid. You'd pay €786 to register her as a 131 for June, but only €599 to register her as a 132 for July! Mental.

Reason is mileage, 2 year old car is ok with 30k, but one year old one is high mileage vehicle with 30k

konline

We have a 152 Yaris Hybrid. So far so good, we drive mainly in and around city, our mileage is 4.4-5.2 L / 100 km. I set ECO mode most of the times. As OPs said you can't expect it to perform like Prius or other big cars in Motorways. Good luck.

The Black Oil

Spotted this. https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/hybrid-driving-tips-0144

Getting quotes for about €19,800 with metallic and the safety pack.

stimpson

Toyota do fixed price services. €160 for a hybrid which includes a battery check that extends your hybrid system warranty by a year (up to 10 years I think). Brake fluid change recommended every 2 years @ €50

https://www.toyota.ie/current-offers/toyota-value-service.json

Edit: and I meant to say, if anyone is buying I'd recommend to wait until the end of the month and drive a hard bargain. When I bought my Auris hybrid at the end of Feb I got 3 quotes and then rang the 2 most expensive. I told them my best quote and asked them for their best price, promising a deposit over the phone if they were cheapest. I saved nearly a grand.

The Black Oil

How are you finding the Auris?

stimpson

The Black Oil wrote: »

How are you finding the Auris?

Love it. Much nicer to drive in town than the diesel Verso I traded in. Consumption is ~5.2l/100km vs 7.3 in the Verso. The boot is bigger too (its the estate) and the interior is far nicer. It's not the fastest car I've ever driven but it's competent when overtaking on a full battery. After looking at a previous gen Prius I couldn't see why it commanded a premium over the Auris.

Soarer

The Black Oil wrote: »

Spotted this. https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/hybrid-driving-tips-0144

Getting quotes for about €19,800 with metallic and the safety pack.

For a new one?

Flog that. Bring in a 3 year old one from the UK, save €10k, and leave someone else take the hit on depreciation.

The Black Oil

Well, you’ve certainly put the idea in my head, Soarer. Having been a guinea pig and all. Would there be similar value in Norn Iron? It'd be handy not to have reach deeper into my savings just to buy new. That's the colour I'd go for too.

I'm only a named driver at present. Would an Irish insurance company entertain me bringing a UK reg back? I take it UK cars have their odometers in miles rather than km....prefer the latter. Did you do much homework on the one you brought back? What then, does it sit at home until you've done the VRT? n00b.

Edit, I'll have a read of this thread. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=176389

Soarer

Definitely not as much choice up norf.

Can't help you with the insurance. You'll have to ring and find that out for yourself. Anytime I've gone over, my crowd never had an issue. Then again I've my own policy for 20 years!
The odometer is in miles alright, but I think it can be changed to kms. Don't quote me on that though.
Didn't do much/any homework on the one I bought. Just made sure it had a full service history, and bought from a main dealer offering a warranty. My thinking being if they're offering a warranty, the car is gonna be at least good enough to outlast it as they don't want to fix it for free! Then rang them telling them I didn't need a warranty, the car would be exported, it was a cash sale, and offered them £1500 less than they were asking saying I'd give a deposit over the phone if they agreed. They rang back saying £1000 off, to which I said was still too expensive. They rang back again saying the best they could do was £1200 pounds off! So I went for that.
Flew to London, bought the car, drove to Holyhead, ferry to Dublin, and drove to Cork. All done in the same day. Tis grand like.
As for the VRT, you book an appointment when you get home, print off your booking reference, and carry it in the car with you in case of a checkpoint. You've 30 days to get her registered once she lands, so no major panic.

People can be a bit daunted by it, but tis a piece of urine to do. And the savings are there for everyone to see.

The Black Oil

Worth considering alright. Did you do get an AA/RCA check done? Re the warranty, if you went without, and something went wrong, you'd be have to shell out, yeah? Toyota here would fix it, but for €€€. Engine is 3 years, hybrid system 5, afaik.

One insurance company said yes, it's possible.

stimpson

Toyota have a 5 year warranty in the uk. Not sure if it is honoured by Toyota Itrland though.

The Black Oil

Couple of 2013 models available here. Lower mileage, a few grand more than that UK one.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/yaris/used-2013-132-toyota-yaris-1-5-luxury-dublin-fpa-201214628078316340

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/yaris/used-2013-131-toyota-yaris-1-5-hybrid-dublin-fpa-6769384878802501310

Soarer

Never got the AA to check it over. My thinking was its a main dealer, offering a warranty, full service history, battery health check, and current MOT. Car should be ok.
Afaik, the Toyota warranty is a European warranty.
Those Irish cars are minimum €4k more expensive. That's a whole lot of road tax and petrol! Plus, I think the UK cars look better. Dunno if it's the bigger alloys, or tinted windows, or what.

The Black Oil

The one you linked to earlier is gone now. They move fast. Will keep an eye out.

bp_me

stimpson wrote: »

Toyota have a 5 year warranty in the uk. Not sure if it is honoured by Toyota Itrland though.

The first three years are provided by Toyota Eu and are honoured. The additional two are typically provided by Toyota UK and will not be honoured here though if something went majorly wrong it might be worthwhile having the car brought to a dealer in NI.

The Black Oil

Did some searching and found this blog link from the AA.

To import a car from the UK into Ireland, you’ll need to first let the British authorities know you are exporting the car. You’ll get a V5C document, the equivalent of our Vehicle Registration Certificate, once ownership is transferred to you. At this point, you’ll need to complete the V5C/4 “Notification of Permanent Export” section of the V5C document and send it to the UK’s Driver & Vehicle Licencing Agency (DVLA).

So, firstly, talk to the dealer. If you're happy with the car, put down a deposit and get started on the paperwork highlighted above - or does happen when you've paid in full. Sort of a flight, the balance of payment. Drive it home, sort out VRT, etc. Is that basically it?

Had a look at insurance just for fun. First one was 1,100, another 1,700 and if I went for a 2016 model it would be almost 1,900 - that was amusing. 970 was from Axa on a 2013 model.

Re Autotrader, is it always obvious when it's a dealer who is selling? The 'visit website', option sometimes leads to nothing. Sometimes there's a dealer's logo. Other times it's might be a private seller.

Soarer

Paperwork is done over there when you hand over the money. Suss out how they want the remainder paid. Some will take cash, others card. Sone bank draft, but that won't clear in the day, so you might be stuck. If you can stomach losing a few euro on the exchange rate, it might be worth topping up your credit card and ring the card company before you go so they don't try block a big transaction. There's a thing called a Revoult Card that's supposed to give a good exchange rate, but I know nothing about them.

Some dealers aren't used to exporting, so might try and tell you that they need to send the V5 to the DVLA. They don't! That goes with you, and they send the export section. You can't VRT the car without it, so it's vital you bring it home with you! The DVLA don't care about the new owners details if you're based abroad, and they end up just sending the V5 back to you, costing you weeks of waiting!
Book the VRT appointment when you get home, fulfill the appointment, throw on the new plates, tax the car, and away you go.

Once you've done it once, you'll be wondering what all the fuss was about!

Soarer

As for auto trader, it's always obvious as to who is selling. They normally tell you how many cars a given dealer has advertised too.

The Black Oil

My credit card limit isn't much. I think there's a daily limit of €5,000 on electronic transfers. Visa Debit is the same. My UK college fees were less than that, so they were straightforward. If it's electronic, I'd prefer not to have do more than two installments as you could suffer a little with the exchange rates.

Can't decide on whether to do this now, November or Feb. :pac: Running the Dublin marathon in Oct, car would be a reward for doing it. I've been toying around with the idea of a car since March. I expect family to go "shure, what are ya getting that for?!" If I left it until next year could go for a 2014 model, I guess.

Re collection from the airport, did you negotiate that? Ferry seems to be about €200. Haven't been on one in this part of the world in years. What time of day was your return crossing?

ETA, the likes of this is from a 'car supermarket'. Or this, another third party or a dealer?

Soarer

Is that a €5000 limit total, or that's what you can go over by? I can't see how/why there'd be a problem if you loaded it with €10k beforehand, and then paid the €10k in one transaction. Especially if you inform them beforehand.
Cargiant won't help you. Won't take a deposit, won't hold a car. Its whatever is there on the day. Also, there's no haggling. That's the price + £99 fee.
That other one you linked to was the T4, mid spec. They go T3, T4, T-Spirit.
As for when to buy, February is better than November. The UK change their plates in March and September. So in February and August, they're looking to shift stock, which means there are bargains to be had.
Airport collections? Just ask. If they're too far away, get a train to somewhere closer, and they'll collect you from there.

bp_me

Soarer wrote: »

Cargiant won't help you. Won't take a deposit, won't hold a car. Its whatever is there on the day. Also, there's no haggling. That's the price + £99 fee.

Car giant will take a small holding deposit if you phone them about a specific car.

The Black Oil

Soarer wrote: »

Is that a €5000 limit total, or that's what you can go over by? I can't see how/why there'd be a problem if you loaded it with €10k beforehand, and then paid the €10k in one transaction. Especially if you inform them beforehand.

Afaik, the 5k limit is across AIB transactions - Visa Debit and international transfers. For example, if I had to transfer more than 5k to a family member in one day I couldn't. My credit card limit is 1k, so it's out for anything more than that. I had talked to them about getting a different card as I'm on a student one despite no longer being a student.

Noticed the CarGiant fee alright.

Another question prompted by another thread that's just popped up. Was the speedo you brought back in miles or km?

stimpson

You could look at the likes of transfermate or currencyfair to do the transfer. Ive never used them but I've seen posts on motors where people have used them with good results. Check with the dealer if they are happy to use them.

The Black Oil

They'd presumably take a cut, yeah? I paid my UK tuition fees by electronic transfer a few years back. Mind you, they cost less than a car.

Looking at the Autotrader site, you can narrow down the search to trader ads only and bring up results that reference the Spirit model. That'll help a little. Not seeing much for under 8k GBP at the moment. Perhaps that'll change come August and February. It'll take a bit of time to get the right colour, etc. I've seen one or two with sat nav, maybe you're better off with a stand alone Garmin or TomTom. There's a newer Toyota system in more recent vehicles, afaik. Leather seats would be nice, but are not essential.

Thanks to those who have posted and for your patience with my questions.

stimpson

The Black Oil wrote: »

They'd presumably take a cut, yeah? I paid my UK tuition fees by electronic transfer a few years back. Mind you, they cost less than a car.

They take a cut but apparently less than banks. Worth researching on boards.