Mick Wallace crying in the Dail

2smiggy

after his trip to Calais the misfortune.

My friend drives through Calais regularly, and he would also be nearly crying having to put up with the refugees trying to get into his lorry.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sounds like both Wallace and your friend have a heart so, I'm assuming of course that your friend is heartbroken at the refugees plight?.

Lurkio

2smiggy wrote: »

after his trip to Calais the misfortune.

My friend drives through Calais regularly, and he would also be nearly crying having to put up with the refugees trying to get into his lorry.

Surely the Cork reg puts them off?

Tabnabs

Is France really that terrible a country to start a new life in?

darkpagandeath

What war is raging in France ?

Stheno

SUrely not, it would ruin his mascara?

Matt_Trakker

Stheno wrote: »

SUrely not, it would ruin his mascara?

So, you've a problem with men who wear mascara eh?

Stheno

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

So, you've a problem with men who wear mascara eh?

Not at all, but panda eyes is never a good look :pac:

mynamejeff

Omari Uneven Zombie wrote: »

Sounds like both Wallace and your friend have a heart so, I'm assuming of course that your friend is heartbroken at the refugees plight?.

why doesn't Mick put them up in his vineyard or one on the many many properties he owns ?

Charity starts at home right ?

Mesrine65

Truck drivers are having to run the gauntlet of aggressive refugees on the Calais route on a daily basis & are claiming that attacks are becoming so common, many are fearing for their lives especially since security has been increased to prevent stowaways.

darkpagandeath

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Truck drivers are having to run the gauntlet of aggressive refugees on the Calais route on a daily basis & are claiming that attacks are becoming so common, many are fearing for their lives especially since security has been increased to prevent stowaways.

Migrants, What war are they fleeing in France ?

Matt_Trakker

Stheno wrote: »

Not at all, but panda eyes is never a good look :pac:

agreed
http://media3.popsugar-assets.com/files/2011/06/26/3/192/1922153/a861049965e76211_Lady-Gaga-Panda-Makeup/i/Lady-Gaga-Sports-Panda-Eyes-Japanese-Talk-Show-See-Video.jpg

Ah I think fair play to Wallace, he rubs some people up the wrong way and he really, really f-ed up on his Nama stuff, but good on him for going to Calais and trying to do something about it.

I live in a place where the leader of the b!stards in power said that refugees would spread diseases

there are some differences related to geography, various parasites, protozoa that are common and are not dangerous in the bodies of these people, (but) may be dangerous here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-poland-idUSKCN0S918B20151015

DEFTLEFTHAND

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Migrants, What war are they fleeing in France ?

Yes technically they're not refugees as they did not claim asylum in the first safe country they entered.

'Illegal aliens' is the term we use here as we have no way of identifying their country of origin. We have multiple nationalities all claiming to be Syrian.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Truck drivers are having to run the gauntlet of aggressive refugees on the Calais route on a daily basis & are claiming that attacks are becoming so common, many are fearing for their lives especially since security has been increased to prevent stowaways.

Whilst there is no doubt that truckers are running a gauntlet that's not really the issue here.

I've little time for Wallace, mostly I can't stand him. But a very good friend of mine traveled with Calais with him (I won't name him completely but Clare Daly referred to him as 'Gary, solicitor from Dublin) and honestly the video and photos from 'The Jungle' would bring a tear to a glass eye.

I've no idea what the solution is. I'm pretty much against opening the gates to an influx of refugees and I argue with my friend (Gary) re. re-enforcing Europe's borders (I'm pro stronger border measures).

But we can't ignore the plight of those living in The Jungle. We wouldn't have dogs, pigs or rats live in similar.

2smiggy

Omari Uneven Zombie wrote: »

Sounds like both Wallace and your friend have a heart so, I'm assuming of course that your friend is heartbroken at the refugees plight?.

no , not at all

Gatling

Must be the effects of CS gas .



Wonder if he used calais in an election promise

Mesrine65

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What war is raging in France ?

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Migrants, What war are they fleeing in France ?

Nobody took the bait the first time so you continue with your insightful warblings hoping for a bite? :rolleyes:

I didn't mention war anywhere in my post & I doubt you have any first hand references from France, so...jog on shit-stirrer & get your jollies elsewhere

DavidLyons_

What a joke that one of our most prominent socialist politicians is a tax evading, millionaire property developer.

snubbleste

These are people who travelled through many safe countries to make themselves deliberately homeless in the northeastern corner of a safe rich country - France.

Maybe Mick will offer to take in and shelter many of the Irish homeless on our own streets

Duggy747

Are many of them still rejecting to stay in the containers that were put up beside the jungle?

castletownman

Gatling wrote: »

Must be the effects of CS gas .



Wonder if he used calais in an election promise

Like all the other promises that the last government implemented?

While them whingy <insert expletive here> are wasting people's time "trying" to form the next government, he actually decided to take a look at the migrant crisis first hand.

He may let himself down at times, but to be fair to him he does appear to be one for the "every man"

Spanish Eyes

I thought the authorities in France bulldozed all the illegal encampments in the Calais Jungle and cleared the place, they provided weatherproof wooden buildings instead for the migrants which were soon set on fire. It is a total mess, but the migrants don't seem to be doing themselves any favours. They have been given shelter and food, but the only thing they want is to get to the UK.

Is that new settlement not working out, or are too many more arriving every day nowor something?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/calais-roof-protesters-removed-as-jungle-camp-clearance-continues-34501209.html

JPNelsforearm

Bring a tear to your eye so it would

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-aG5dU3_a4

Mesrine65

Omari Uneven Zombie wrote: »

Whilst there is no doubt that truckers are running a gauntlet that's not really the issue here.

I've little time for Wallace, mostly I can't stand him. But a very good friend of mine traveled with Calais with him (I won't name him completely but Clare Daly referred to him as 'Gary, solicitor from Dublin) and honestly the video and photos from 'The Jungle' would bring a tear to a glass eye.

I've no idea what the solution is. I'm pretty much against opening the gates to an influx of refugees and I argue with my friend (Gary) re. re-enforcing Europe's borders (I'm pro stronger border measures).

But we can't ignore the plight of those living in The Jungle. We wouldn't have dogs, pigs or rats live in similar.

I've a friend in Calais, a member of the Gendarmerie who served in Mali & would be sympathetic to the plight of the refugees, but I can hear from his tone that attitudes are changing.

Over the last few months the tensions in the local community have reached breaking point due to the actions/reactions of the refugees to the local populace.

Shop-lifting, burglaries, aggressive behaviour, stabbings, muggings etc., are all on the rise.

I have no doubt they are living in dire conditions in The Jungle but they are doing themselves no favours by alienating the locals.

They are fast becoming akin to the travelling community in this country in the way they are viewed & treated unfortunately & it will only get worse, I think, in the long run.

mikeym

These people are only wanting to go to the Uk for Economic reasons not human rights reasons.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I've a friend in Calais, a member of the Gendarmerie who served in Mali & would be sympathetic to the plight of the refugees, but I can hear from his tone that attitudes are changing.

Over the last few months the tensions in the local community have reached breaking point due to the actions/reactions of the refugees to the local populace.

Shop-lifting, burglaries, aggressive behaviour, stabbings, muggings etc., are all on the rise.

I have no doubt they are living in dire conditions in The Jungle but they are doing themselves no favours by alienating the locals.

They are fast becoming akin to the travelling community in this country in the way they are viewed & treated unfortunately & it will only get worse, I think, in the long run.

I'm sure it's a living nightmare for the local residents of Calais. Their anger is quite understandable.

Wibbs

I suppose the bleeding hearts must be kept a thumping. The drowned child on a beach is so, like oveeer on Facebook and it doesn't lend itself well for draping over avatars.

I see where Makikomi and I share his inner turmoil between tightening up the borders and trying to help human misery that has been landed upon us by that moron Merkel and the EU muppets. Though as Spanish Eyes pointed out the camps were cleared and alternative accommodation was provided, but oh no, that wasn't good enough for them. They demanded more. I mean WT actual F? Have they no bloody shame? Of course too many know that there are enough bleeding hearts to listen to them and no doubt many will get their way. Refugees my arse.

darkpagandeath

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Nobody took the bait the first time so you continue with your insightful warblings hoping for a bite? :rolleyes:

I didn't mention war anywhere in my post & I doubt you have any first hand references from France, so...jog on shit-stirrer & get your jollies elsewhere

Then they are not Refugees are they. Sorry if facts annoy you.

Mesrine65

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Then they are not Refugees are they. Sorry if facts annoy you.

No need to apologise, facts I don't have a problem with, you annoy me.

Do you touch yourself when you feel you are being intellectually superior? :P

darkpagandeath

Mesrine65 wrote: »

No need to apologise, facts I don't have a problem with, you annoy me.

Do you touch yourself when you feel you are being intellectually superior? :P

1 out of 10 to be fair.

Mesrine65

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1 out of 10 to be fair.

:pac::pac::pac:

Lurkio

Wibbs wrote: »

I suppose the bleeding hearts must be kept a thumping. The drowned child on a beach is so, like oveeer on Facebook and it doesn't lend itself well for draping over avatars.

I see where Makikomi and I share his inner turmoil between tightening up the borders and trying to help human misery that has been landed upon us by that moron Merkel and the EU muppets. Though as Spanish Eyes pointed out the camps were cleared and alternative accommodation was provided, but oh no, that wasn't good enough for them. They demanded more. I mean WT actual F? Have they no bloody shame? Of course too many know that there are enough bleeding hearts to listen to them and no doubt many will get their way. Refugees my arse.

Calais has been a problem for years now, long before Frau Merkel opened her gob.

uck51js9zml2yt

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I've a friend in Calais, a member of the Gendarmerie who served in Mali & would be sympathetic to the plight of the refugees, but I can hear from his tone that attitudes are changing.

Over the last few months the tensions in the local community have reached breaking point due to the actions/reactions of the refugees to the local populace.

Shop-lifting, burglaries, aggressive behaviour, stabbings, muggings etc., are all on the rise.

I have no doubt they are living in dire conditions in The Jungle but they are doing themselves no favours by alienating the locals.

They are fast becoming akin to the travelling community in this country in the way they are viewed & treated unfortunately & it will only get worse, I think, in the long run.

So its not a holiday destination then?

Mesrine65

Kelly Fresh Racehorse wrote: »

So its not a holiday destination then?

No worse than Mosney in it's day in all fairness :pac::pac::pac:

Jawgap

Omari Uneven Zombie wrote: »

Whilst there is no doubt that truckers are running a gauntlet that's not really the issue here.

I've little time for Wallace, mostly I can't stand him. But a very good friend of mine traveled with Calais with him (I won't name him completely but Clare Daly referred to him as 'Gary, solicitor from Dublin) and honestly the video and photos from 'The Jungle' would bring a tear to a glass eye.

I've no idea what the solution is. I'm pretty much against opening the gates to an influx of refugees and I argue with my friend (Gary) re. re-enforcing Europe's borders (I'm pro stronger border measures).

But we can't ignore the plight of those living in The Jungle. We wouldn't have dogs, pigs or rats live in similar.

But surely they can apply for leave to remain in France? It's not like France is some kind of totalitarian regime - in fact, in many ways, they are a much more liberal republic than here?

Further, I'd take huge issue with Wallace's suggestion that young migrants relocating here wouldn't take up resources - of course they would, especially in relation to education and health.

I'm all for us taking more than our fair share of refugees and providing safe haven for them, but rewarding the ones who want to short cut the system seems wrong.

Gatling

Jawgap wrote: »

But surely they can apply for leave to remain in France? It's not like France is some kind of totalitarian regime - in fact, in many ways, they are much more liberal republic than here.

They don't want to stay in France they want the uk or here with access to more generous benefits and housing

Jawgap

Gatling wrote: »

They don't want to stay in France they want the uk or here with access to more generous benefits and housing

Yes, I'm aware - the question was kinds of intended to be rhetorical.

Essentially, they want to come here and the UK because we're perceived as an easy touch - whether we are or not, others can decide.

Ironic though, that many in Ireland would love to move to France for the weather and the lifestyle!!

Lurkio

Gatling wrote: »

They don't want to stay in France they want the uk or here with access to more generous benefits and housing

They want to go somewhere with which they are vaguely familiar for the most part. In Afghanistan and Pakistan Britain is seen as a desirable location where many from a similar background have done well for themselves. There are of course those who want to cross to work illegally, which is far easier in Britain because you aren't obliged to carry ID.

AlekSmart

Omari Uneven Zombie wrote: »

Whilst there is no doubt that truckers are running a gauntlet that's not really the issue here.

I've little time for Wallace, mostly I can't stand him. But a very good friend of mine traveled with Calais with him (I won't name him completely but Clare Daly referred to him as 'Gary, solicitor from Dublin) and honestly the video and photos from 'The Jungle' would bring a tear to a glass eye.

I've no idea what the solution is. I'm pretty much against opening the gates to an influx of refugees and I argue with my friend (Gary) re. re-enforcing Europe's borders (I'm pro stronger border measures).

But we can't ignore the plight of those living in The Jungle. We wouldn't have dogs, pigs or rats live in similar.

Well said,but is it fair to completely ignore the efforts of this country to not only maintain but significantly INCREASE its overseas aid budget to €640,000,000 this year ?

This €640,000,000 is ring fenced in a manner which other area's of this countrys budget is not,and is,in my opinion something which Ireland can be proud of.

Therefore,I respectfully decline to accept that this State has any reasonable requirement to suddenly jump to Mr Wallace/Ms Daly's somewhat sudden adoption of the Calais Jungle's resident's single-minded determination to get to the United Kingdom.

Even a brief review of the history of the supposed "Jungle" in Calais will reveal it has been there since the late 1990's and has had several periods of rioting,mass disorder and ongoing criminality.

Mssrs Wallace/Daly and perhaps even your legally-minded accquaintance also appear to disregard the reasons why the French Government's provision of basic human comforts has been largely disregarded by the unfortunates which our Parlimentarians hold in such regard.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-calais-idUSKCN0UP23R20160111

Tents and shanties in the northeast of the camp have been cleared away to make space for the shelter, designed to accommodate up to 1,500 people in 125 white-painted shipping containers. The metal boxes are equipped with bunk beds, heaters and windows, but lack water or sanitary facilities.

Toilets and showers for those housed there will be accessible at an existing facility now reserved for women and children.

French authorities say the containers are a good solution because the dunes are unsuitable for traditional foundations, but even this level of permanence may be a political soccer.

The French response,as dutifully ignored by the Wallace/Daly PR machine,fails to even acknowledge a humanatairan effort by the French Authorities,perhaps because it requires a level of registration,accountability and control over these migrants,which they rather pointedly refuse to countenance.

Migrants will have to register to live inside the shelter perimeter fence, with access controlled by handprint technology. Some of them told Reuters they were suspicious of this set-up.

Inayat, 25, who traveled from Afghanistan, and David, 17, from Eritrea, said they would not check in because they still wanted to reach Britain as soon as possible.

Our intrepid pair would,in my opinion,be far better occupied by offering their time,experience and additional funding to the French Local Populace and Administration in Calais,rather than attempting to play this crafted scenario for all its worth.

Those of us with more recent memories may recall our own little Dublin "Jungle" at the Naul M50 Off Ramp,where without Deputy Wallace's assistance,a substatantial number of landowning,East European businesspeople managed to live for quite a length of time in total defiance of any and all regulation,until they were found out....

I'm of the opinion that Ireland's €640,000,000,buys us some respite from these Deputies constant,and over publicised,attacks on our State and it's Governance.

5rtytry56

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that Ireland's €640,000,000,buys us some respite from these Deputies constant,and over publicised,attacks on our State and it's Governance.

What you were thanked for Alek. The rest.....TL;DR

Galwayguy35

If he gave as much attention to his tax affairs instead of trying to get into American planes at Shannon and going off to Calais he would be better of.

Calais is France's issue, let them handle it.

edbrez

He'll be even more upset when Whitesnake split up.

wakka12

Omari Uneven Zombie wrote: »

Sounds like both Wallace and your friend have a heart so, I'm assuming of course that your friend is heartbroken at the refugees plight?.

Once somebody gets to France they are no longer refugees as they are safe. When they try to get to Britain they become economic migrants. Important to differentiate and keep your sympathy for refugees in need not migrants who 'want'

tomwaterford

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If he gave as much attention to his tax affairs instead of trying to get into American planes at Shannon and going off to Calais he would be better of.

Calais is France's issue, let them handle it.

TBF France could just as easily pull the plug on that camp there and security measures and let them through and let it be England's problem :pac:

tomwaterford

wakka12 wrote: »

Once somebody gets to France they are no longer refugees as they are safe. When they try to get to Britain they become economic migrants. Important to differentiate and keep your sympathy for refugees in need not migrants who 'want'

Is France not technically in a state of martial law at the min??

CelticRambler

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Migrants, What war are they fleeing in France ?

This one?

Jawgap wrote: »

It's not like France is some kind of totalitarian regime - in fact, in many ways, they are a much more liberal republic than here?

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

You want to try living here ...

The "Calais" situation will disappear pretty quickly if Britains votes to leave the EU. The French see it as an English problem, the management of which they are bound to share as part of maintaining good relations between fellow EU states. If Britain votes to leave, there will be no justification in the eyes of the French for paying the ever-increasing cost of keeping these migrants from their Promised Land. We've got a very lame duck hobbling his way towards an election next year who desperately needs to take "decisive action" about something, anything that will please all colours of the electorate.

CelticRambler

tomwaterford wrote: »

Is France not technically in a state of martial law at the min??

Technically (and actually) we're in a "State of Emergency" - not quite the same thing.

But only a few guns short of outright civil war (see photos above from last night/this afternoon). The country is a social and economic mess - I don't know why any immigrant would choose to live here ...

Hang on a sec ...

The_Kew_Tour

Walked across the Bridge today to Grand Parade in Cork to see poor old man in 70s lying with blanket looking totally helpless.

It's been 9 years since I felt so helpless for people.

Forget what's happening to Economic migrants and cry for our own first

sdanseo

Tabnabs wrote: »

Is France really that terrible a country to start a new life in?

Exactly. I have no issue with refugees in general. But this matter of trying to get into the UK is ridiculous. They should be happy with Macedonia compare to what they've come from.

Getting out of Syria = Need
Cherry picking what nice country you want to go and acting like an animal while trying to get there = Greed

Spanish Eyes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Walked across the Bridge today to Grand Parade in Cork to see poor old man in 70s lying with blanket looking totally helpless.

It's been 9 years since I felt so helpless for people.

Forget what's happening to Economic migrants and cry for our own first

Post of the week for me anyway.

fryup

he cries for the refugee crisis in Calais ,,,and yet he wants to see the Omagh bomber released

the mind boggles