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College Green Plaza -- public consultation open

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    #1232
    Aictlec
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Aictlec


    Wonder if the truth matters!

    Just google Dublin live and alternative design! 13th of April :)


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    #1233
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Aictlec wrote: »
    Wonder if the truth matters!

    Just google Dublin live and alternative design! 13th of April :)

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/college-green-plaza-alternative-design-14524428

    Here ye go.

    Mr Marden's plan deserves some publicity and consideration.

    However,with the current cast of "administrators" (I use that term advisedly) attempting to cover up their lack of proffessional accumen,it is highly unlikely this intervention will be allowed to proceed.

    The people now involved in this are of long standing,in and around the "Administrative" gravy train in Dublin,and will not be found wanting when it comes to protecting their positions.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #1234
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/college-green-plaza-alternative-design-14524428

    Here ye go.

    Mr Marden's plan deserves some publicity and consideration.

    However,with the current cast of "administrators" (I use that term advisedly) attempting to cover up their lack of proffessional accumen,it is highly unlikely this intervention will be allowed to proceed.

    Taxi ranks and car traffic? How is that an improvement? Everything else is pretty much decoration.


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    #1235
    noelfirl
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Mr Marden's plan deserves some publicity and consideration.

    No, no it doesn't. Not in the slightest. We've seen stuff from this persona before - aspects of twee Gaelicisation for the sake of it with little actual solid evidence that you're dealing with anything other than the work of a fantasist.

    Reference the designs at the website below. In particular this wonderful doozy of Bono coming out of a shamrock shaped escalator with some bizarre Parisian metro-shamrock pastiche pole plonked beside it.

    4x6+high+crop+3.jpg?format=500w

    https://www.celtcia.com/

    Best left alone.


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    #1236
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    noelfirl wrote: »
    No, no it doesn't. Not in the slightest. We've seen stuff from this persona before - aspects of twee Gaelicisation for the sake of it with little actual solid evidence that you're dealing with anything other than the work of a fantasist.

    There's a massive Celtic knot in the middle of his plaza... a dead giveaway.


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    #1237
    noelfirl
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    strandroad wrote: »
    There's a massive Celtic knot in the middle of his plaza... a dead giveaway.

    My personal favourite from the portfolio remains the Shamrock shaped underground station.

    4x6+high+crop+6.jpg?format=750w

    It was never quite clear to me how anyone standing inside the station would be able to actually perceive that it was a shamrock. :)


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    #1238
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    noelfirl wrote: »
    My personal favourite from the portfolio remains the Shamrock shaped underground station.

    4x6+high+crop+6.jpg?format=750w

    It was never quite clear to me how anyone standing inside the station would be able to actually perceive that it was a shamrock. :)

    Presumably Bono using his special shades....?

    It may be crackpot,but when one considers the actual cost of what we curently have,perhaps it's better value ? ;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #1239
    Aictlec
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Aictlec


    noelfirl wrote: »
    Best left alone.

    No offence but do your homework...

    We have won the public vote...

    73% Celtcia
    27% Dublin City Council

    Dublin City Council always expected to get away with this...
    Declan has also retired...


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    #1240
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Aictlec wrote: »
    noelfirl wrote: »
    Best left alone.

    No offence but do your homework...

    We have won the public vote...

    73% Celtcia
    27% Dublin City Council

    Dublin City Council always expected to get away with this...
    Declan has also retired...

    Public vote? Didn't you admit over on Skyscrapercity that you'd never been to Dublin before?


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    #1241
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Aictlec wrote: »
    noelfirl wrote: »
    Best left alone.

    No offence but do your homework...

    We have won the public vote...

    73% Celtcia
    27% Dublin City Council

    Dublin City Council always expected to get away with this...
    Declan has also retired...

    Public vote? Didn't you admit over on Skyscrapercity that you'd never been to Dublin before?


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    #1242
    Aictlec
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Aictlec


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Public vote? Didn't you admit over on Skyscrapercity that you'd never been to Dublin before?

    Maybe after being bullied...
    What difference does it make?
    There was a hint of sarcasm...
    Uzton studied tidal charts for a tram yard...

    Anyone have any other questions?

    They said at the council meeting an underpass would force them to go back to the board...


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    #1243
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,860 ✭✭✭trellheim


    What on earth are you going on about ? Somewhat of a thread drift here.


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    #1244
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Everyone back on topic please.

    Mr Marden had the chance to tender for the design of the project — that’s gone and past.

    The topic is the actual College Green Plaza proposals and possible details to improve such, and related issues. The topic is not completely different proposals, especially not to the extend of that taking over the thread and confusing people unaware of the dispute.

    — moderator


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    #1245
    Aictlec
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Aictlec


    monument wrote: »
    Everyone back on topic please.

    Mr Marden had the chance to tender for the design of the project — that’s gone and past.

    — moderator
    Yes and the EU will investigate it similar to ESB headquarters RIAI issue...

    Anyway back to the topic...

    From RTE:

    He said the recent "debacle" around the cross-city Luas and the debate around the College Green plaza has demonstrated quite clearly that civil servants in the department and the NTA did not have exclusivity over the necessary expertise on how transport provision is planned.


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    #1246
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Aictlec wrote: »
    Yes and the .......

    Read the Commuting and Transport charter before posting again.

    When a mod says back on topic, it means back on topic. Not take another go at things that aren't the topic.

    -- moderator


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    #1247
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,470 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Aictlec wrote: »
    From RTE:
    He said the recent "debacle" around the cross-city Luas and the debate around the College Green plaza has demonstrated quite clearly that civil servants in the department and the NTA did not have exclusivity over the necessary expertise on how transport provision is planned.

    He, who?


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    #1248
    RobertFoster
    Registered Users Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    He, who?
    General Secretary of the NBRU Dermot O'Leary - https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0426/957392-transport/


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    #1249
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,470 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    RobertFoster wrote: »
    General Secretary of the NBRU Dermot O'Leary - https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0426/957392-transport/

    oh right, never mind so.


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    #1250
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    ABP decision delayed again, now due at the end of October, on the 31st.

    See here.


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    #1251
    alentejo
    Registered Users Posts: 889 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Past by College Green this morning. My got it is a sad in indictment of public transport policy failings! Wonder what tourists think?


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    #1252
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    alentejo wrote: »
    Past by College Green this morning. My got it is a sad in indictment of public transport policy failings! Wonder what tourists think?


    They're probably thinking "okay so I need to cross this road to get to Grafton Street", or "I wonder where is good for lunch?", or "I hate my kids", or "do we need to pay to see the Book of Kells?", or "where are my bus tour tickets?".


    You know what they're very likely not thinking about? Traffic.


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    #1253
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    alentejo wrote: »
    Past by College Green this morning. My got it is a sad in indictment of public transport policy failings! Wonder what tourists think?
    The last time I passed it I was a tourist.

    I actually didn't care.

    As an ex-inhabitant I do not see it as an indictment of past failings. What I see as a failing is the utterly absurd ticketing set up in Dublin. Standardise it across all modes and all operators.


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    #1254
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just incomprehensible.

    The two most important cases with the ABP are College Green and Poolbeg West, and they just keep getting kicked down the road. Someone needs to allocate resources properly. If someone is appealing their domestic extension, they can wait. Sort College Green and fast track Poolbeg.


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    #1255
    Bray Head
    Registered Users Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Bray Head


    cgcsb wrote: »

    The two most important cases with the NTA are College Green and Poolbeg West,
    Don't you mean ABP?


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    #1256
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    MJohnston wrote: »
    They're probably thinking "okay so I need to cross this road to get to Grafton Street", or "I wonder where is good for lunch?", or "I hate my kids", or "do we need to pay to see the Book of Kells?", or "where are my bus tour tickets?".


    You know what they're very likely not thinking about? Traffic.

    Youre right but its a case of what you dont know cant hurt you
    Everyone , not just tourists, would obviously appreciate a public plaza there if given the choice between whats there now, and whats there now it messy and chaotic in every respect


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    #1257
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Bray Head wrote: »
    Don't you mean ABP?

    yes


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    #1258
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Youre right but its a case of what you dont know cant hurt you
    Everyone , not just tourists, would obviously appreciate a public plaza there if given the choice between whats there now, and whats there now it messy and chaotic in every respect

    I certainly want the plaza very much myself, I just don't like this recurring narrative in so many infrastructure projects about "what would the tourists think?"

    The tourists largely don't care, and are usually pretty unimportant in terms of the usage figures of any given project too.

    In other words, we shouldn't be worrying about doing these things for the tourists, we should be doing them for residents.


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    #1259
    celtcia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 37 ✭celtcia


    MJohnston wrote: »
    wakka12 wrote: »
    Youre right but its a case of what you dont know cant hurt you
    Everyone , not just tourists, would obviously appreciate a public plaza there if given the choice between whats there now, and whats there now it messy and chaotic in every respect



    I certainly want the plaza very much myself, I just don't like this recurring narrative in so many infrastructure projects about "what would the tourists think?"
    .

    We know what they will think...
    Where are the public toilets, where are the guards, why is there a pole blocking trinity college, why are there railings, why is there a gap in the Luas lines, etc...


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    #1260
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    celtcia wrote: »
    We know what they will think...
    Where are the public toilets, where are the guards, why is there a pole blocking trinity college, why are there railings, why is there a gap in the Luas lines, etc...


    They might be wondering about public toilets, but I very much doubt they're worried about the other things, particularly the last 3.


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    #1261
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,613 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Passed through CG the other day, it really is a mess. Sooner the plaza goes ahead the better. Wondering what is the process if ABP give the go ahead- is their decision final or can it be appealed to the courts?


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