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Too much trash talk against Christianity

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Title edited seeing as this discussion isn't limited to just 'trash talk' on boards.ie

Original Title: 'Too much trash talk on boards.ie against Christianity'

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

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eeguy

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Maybe you should spend less time on boards?

Lithium93_

It's a message board/discussion forum, were you expecting something else??

EirWatcher

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

In fairness, those threads aren't started in the Christianity forum. You can discuss in here if you want a different bias.

Personally I find it interesting that Christianity is so foremost in some people's thoughts that they do start topics on it regularly, even outside the Christianity forum.

pauldla

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

OP, why do you consider these topics 'trash talk'? I'd understand your point if you were presenting examples like 'Christianity is a load of old etc etc', but the topics you give seem to me to be well worth discussion. Am I missing something?

jacksie66

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Cabaal

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

To be fair Boards.ie would be an awful boring place if everyone agreed, it would be like some sort of weird cult I suppose.

Discussion is extremely important and the issues you've outlined are in no way an attack on christians specifically.

- ( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )

Nobody is saying they shouldn't exist, they can exist but just that it is completely wrong to expect tax payer money to be used to run a school that can then discriminate against none Catholics. By all means if you want to have a school that only accepts Christians do so, but don't expect everyone else to fund that school.

Ask yourself this, if your only local school was a non-denominational school and it had some rule that allowed it to legally refuse just Christians and yet you paid for that school with your taxes would you be ok with that? Would you just shut-up and never talk about it?

( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )

- You don't think people should look themselves in the mirror once in awhile and decide if they actually believe in the thing the write in such an important form?

If people do not truly believe something they should not claim they do. For example it would be frankly idiotic for me to claim I'm a Muslim, I believe nothing of the faith. The same can be said for many Catholics, they don't believe in the majority of the catholic core values and beliefs. Personally I think its disrespectful to a belief to claim you are part of that belief when you don't believe in important parts of it such as communion (you are eating Jesus), Mary being a virgin etc in the catholic faith.

( non religious funerals )

How is this an attack on Christians?
Are people not entitled to have none christian funerals now? :eek:
You really must dislike Muslim and Jewish people for having no christian funerals. :pac:

( the good friday drinking ban )

A reasonable discussion to have,
The basis for a ban is purely religious and has no place in a modern secular society. By all means if you don't want to drink don't, but its unfair to push those beliefs on others.

Should we also ban beef, bacon etc on Fridays and only allow Fish?
After all, that used to be a thing when I was growing up that people should only eat fish on Fridays, maybe that should be pushed on everyone?

All in all, the good Friday thing is outright silly.

nilsonmickey

Your complaining about people expressing opinions? If you are sick of it why don't you try not reading it?

kinsy

OP, I'd imagine this will be the tone of much of the nation going forward. People are waking up and questioning that which they don't understand or blindly accept anymore.

What is wrong with people not wanting to be part of the Church or indeed questioning its stronghold? It doesn't mean you can't send your kids to a catholic school, have a catholic funeral etc.
Why would Catholics want non-believers to be forced into living according to their faith? Genuinely interested to hear. I don't want you to stop believing in God!

eviltwin

So people having a different belief is an attack on Christianity now :rolleyes:

solodeogloria

Good morning all!

Welcome to living in a secular country. This is the structure the New Testament envisioned us living in. Christians living in a non-Christian world.

Truth be told I'm excited at the thought of returning to an Ireland where people have long forgotten about the Jesus they learned at school and hear Him afresh and the Gospel afresh as something new.

Chuck the privilege in the bin. Ireland is not a Catholic country in the same way as Britain isn't a Protestant country. I welcome debates over these subjects and for Christians to be graciously living for Jesus.

I'm more than happy to ring the death bells of cultural and political Christendom with the atheists.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Cabaal

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning all!

Welcome to living in a secular country. This is the structure the New Testament envisioned us living in. Christians living in a non-Christian world.

Truth be told I'm excited at the thought of returning to an Ireland where people have long forgotten about the Jesus they learned at school and hear Him afresh and the Gospel afresh as something new.

Chuck the privilege in the bin. Ireland is not a Catholic country in the same way as Britain isn't a Protestant country. I welcome debates over these subjects and for Christians to be graciously living for Jesus.

I'm more than happy to ring the death bells of cultural and political Christendom with the atheists.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Seriously solodeogloria,
I know this is the second time I've actually said this about you, but for a religious person I find it rather odd I'm agreeing with much of what you're saying.

Spot on about the privilege part too, I think for many years many religious people in Ireland (particularly Catholics) never were questioned so now they find it frightening. They shouldn't, its healthy!

Guy:Incognito

EirWatcher wrote: »

Personally I find it interesting that Christianity is so foremost in some people's thoughts that they do start topics on it regularly, even outside the Christianity forum.

The problem is that religion has such an impact on the daily lives of so many people that want nothing to do with it. Remove it and leave religion in the church where people can choose to go and then those o us that dont have an interest will rarely discuss it. Having it ingrained in society and affecting elements of peoples lives and its going to keep coming up.

galljga1

O.P. I think it is safe to say that you are going to be sick of this thread.

solodeogloria

Cabaal wrote: »

Seriously solodeogloria,
I know this is the second time I've actually said this about you, but for a religious person I find it rather odd I'm agreeing with much of what you're saying.

Spot on about the privilege part too, I think for many years many religious people in Ireland (particularly Catholics) never were questioned so now they find it frightening. They shouldn't, its healthy!

Good morning Cabaal,

As I explained on another thread I remember growing up in Ireland as an Anglican and at points people regarded us as a bit weird as a result. I now live in a country where about 5-7% go to church every Sunday. Of that percentage I'm of an evangelical minority. I go to work with mostly others who follow non-Christian religion. Although most of my friends Christians I've got lots of friends who are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and non religious. This is the world I need to engage with it as a Christian. I've seen some of the debates here about religion and it's role in society. I agree with it. Although there's 50% more who say they are Christian despite not going to church I would prefer honesty. I want to live positively as a Christian here so I can make Jesus known to others. I don't need the State to help me either. They still haven't got over that it isn't really a Christian country even when most of the population seem to have.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Delirium

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

The don't open the threads

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )

In 2016, given the diversity of the Irish population, it hardly seems right that Roman Catholics should get preferential treatment when it comes public schools.

( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )

Given that some Christian groups use the census as justification for preferential treatment for Christians, it's not surprising that some people are calling on more accuracy when people are filling out the census.

( non religious funerals )

Given that a lot of now non-religious people were raised Roman Catholic, it's to be expected they might seek out information about non-religious funerals/weddings.

( the good friday drinking ban )

I generally work Good Friday so it doesn't really affect me but I can see why people would object to being forced to observe a religious day of fasting by the government.

And I don't see how any of the topics you mentioned fall under 'thrash talk'.

uck51js9zml2yt

Delirium wrote: »

Given that some Christian groups use the census as justification for preferential treatment for Christians, it's not surprising that some people are calling on more accuracy when people are filling out the census.
.

Can you provide documented evidence and perhaps expand on this?

Delirium

Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote: »

Can you provide documented evidence and perhaps expand on this?

Explain what exactly?

frag420

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Forgive us.....

MrPudding

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Why don't you pray for them to stop? I am sure that would work better than whining about it... no?

MrP

beach_walker

OP there's no point really. The comments you encountered here are indicative of the general attitude both from the users and the mods/admins. "You're scared of the truth," "why don't you pray for it" etc. I knew exactly what would be here before opening.

I suggest leaving these threads/Christianity forum aside and focus on other areas. Boards can be a pretty good resource (like if you're into GAA you can be sure the threads there won't be filled with remarks belittling the games, not a post to be found in Rugby saying how it's sh!te, Windows fan-bois comments won't be tolerated in OSX forum... hmm funny that when you think about it).

And yeah for my own trouble I find myself coming in now and then to these things but I'm a sucker for punishment at times.

Turtwig

"Trash talk" to me anyway is something that happens in Call of Duty Online or League of Legends. Not sure, there's much thrash talk anywhere on boards any more now that the thunderdome is gone.

catbear

I thought christians were above worrying about trash talk, after all their reward is in the next life.

Benny_Cake

I don't see the issue here OP.

With regard to education, the dominance of the Catholic church in terms of school patronage has an impact on the lives of those from minority Christian denominations, non-Christians and atheists/agnostics alike. In fact, quite a few Catholics have acknowledged this, including Archbishop Diarmuid Martin. I think people have every right to discuss this on Boards, provided they do so in the spirit of the charter of wherever the discussion is ongoing.

Good Friday pub closures - my eyes roll back every year when this debate raises it's head. It has no impact on my life as such, but it's difficult to justify continuing with such a ban, and I'd imagine it'll be done away with soon. Again, people should be free to discuss.

The Census - people should fill out the census accurately I would have thought? It usually throws up some interesting debate on religious identification. I don't see the problem.

Non-Christian funerals aren't an issue at all. You can get sent off any way you like in this country, and rightly so.

I agree with what solodeogloria said generally. A "post-Christian" Ireland actually presents a golden opportunity for Christians to re-discover our faith, and to be salt and light in the communities that we live in instead of sitting back and letting the nexus of state and church do everything for us.

EirWatcher

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The problem is that religion has such an impact on the daily lives of so many people that want nothing to do with it. Remove it and leave religion in the church where people can choose to go and then those o us that dont have an interest will rarely discuss it.

Ostensibly so. Others have suggested ignoring it as a solution to the OP, yet themselves reserving the desire to "remove it".

alma73

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Boards.ie is pretty much Atheist from what I gathered. I see there isn't even a Forum for the Largest Religion in Ireland. (those Catholic Rebels of 1916 who said the Rosary daily would be turning in their graves.)

Icepick

pauldla wrote: »

OP, why do you consider these topics 'trash talk'? I'd understand your point if you were presenting examples like 'Christianity is a load of old etc etc', but the topics you give seem to me to be well worth discussion. Am I missing something?

Christianity is a load of old ... is also a valid point

steamengine

Delirium wrote: »

The don't open the threads :P

In 2016, given the diversity of the Irish population, it hardly seems right that Roman Catholics should get preferential treatment when it comes public schools.

That's not the full picture though - preferential treatment for particular denominations only kicks in when there is pressure on school spaces. The same would apply to Protestant schools and other religious schools. If there is undue pressure on school places presently it's because there are generally not enough places to go round in total - not because of any wish to discriminate.

Given that some Christian groups use the census as justification for preferential treatment for Christians, it's not surprising that some people are calling on more accuracy when people are filling out the census.

How do they use the census as justification for preferential treatment ?

Labarbapostiza

Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote: »

Can you provide documented evidence and perhaps expand on this?

Not only are the primary and secondary schools controlled by the Church, but the hospitals and universities too. They actually have a say in appoints in these institutions. It's a class thing, you might be too much of a mud person to know, but if you're the right type, the bishop on the board can help get you a job, just as much as the parish priest can get you a teaching job. The low church is virtually gone, but the high church still exists.

I've been in a position where experiencing a life threatening emergency, the lady at admissions stalled me from getting treatment, because she wouldn't accept 'no religion' as my religion. I wouldn't let her bully me, but that's what she was doing.....it's time for payback. I'm ticking no religion on the census. And before I'm dead, I hope to see some name changes on institutions. St. James to James Connolly, the Mater to Karl Marx Hospital.

I don't know why anyone in this day and age is comfortable letting a parish priest in proximity to primary school children. I mean you might have a belief that's okay, because of your religion, but do you have to put the children of others at such risk.

Benny_Cake

alma73 wrote: »

Boards.ie is pretty much Atheist from what I gathered. I see there isn't even a Forum for the Largest Religion in Ireland. (those Catholic Rebels of 1916 who said the Rosary daily would be turning in their graves.)

I don't know what the men of 1916 would have made of Boards, Reddit or the Web in general. Who cares!?

Christianity is the largest religion in Ireland, and guess where you're posting!

Labarbapostiza

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

Yeah, well you're sick of it. How sick do you think the rest of us are over your sense of entitlement.

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )

Oh yeah. Christian ethos, makes it sound like if the children weren't indoctrinated with ethics, they'd be out murdering robbing and stealing.

What are these ethics? Priests are fantastic people because they're closer to God for being so holy. God and the priests can see exactly what you're doing at all times. Perpetual virginity is the only desirable state for women, and I know you're only children now, but all the subtle poison in relation to sexuality is going to really screw you up when you're grown. But don't worry, you'll be "normal", because what we say is normal is "normal". And so many of you will be paranoid social and sexual misfits, you'll all fit in together.

( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )

We're just asking people to tell the truth. If you don't go to mass every Sunday, you're not a Catholic. You could be an admirer of Jesus all you like, but if you don't follow the rules, you're not really in the club.

( non religious funerals )

Be the Jaysus. I don't want a religious funeral. That would be the final insult. Having a pedophile con artist saying some hokey and getting paid as they lower me in. Over me dead body, they will.

( the good friday drinking ban )

You're not forced to dance naked round a May pole for the witches sabbaths, though you force the witches not to have a pint on festival of Ester. Jaysus, talk aboush entitled. I'm fine with the good Friday drinking ban. It's a reminder of our past......I'll say that again....It's a reminder of our past...It's also a huge house party drinking day, where we celebrate the present and the future.