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The gw 33,34,35,37 Plan
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Your bench got 19 pts (so far?)
TC'ing Aguero would have gotten you 26 pts.
You only lost 7 points.
You're pointing out the fundamental flaw in how people are viewing the chips and esp the TC, as per previous lengthy discussion on the DGW thread culminating in my piece for FFS.
Aguero (78) looks really cool on your points page but the TC got you 26. Yes it was the best TC option of the season so far (ahead of Aguero in GW8 by 1 point) but even if Sanchez just gets 3 more points for his TCers this week the advantage you're getting from an Aguero TC is just 14 points.
If your BB gains you 20 to 25 points this week and you get any kind of decent TC in 36 or 37 the final result after all the huffing and puffing and weeping and wailing will be much of a muchness.
Unless you TCd Fcukaku in 33.
But even then its a loss of 22 points. While hopefully playing BB well this week will gain some of that back for me.
Even as a GW33 Lukaku TCer I reckon my TC+BB won't be more than 10 points or so behind the average. If people get 40pts out of both combined its a good return.
A 19 point BB with TC still to play is a great result.0 -
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He's assuming one owns both players. With A = player pts, B = captain pts & C = TC points, you only "lose" from B & C if you own both. So in his example, it's a 28 pts diff.
I am not getting your maths here. If Sanchez gets 3 more points he is on 12 and the little Kun is on 26. That's a point difference of 14 before you TC. So the difference between Aguero TC over Sanchez TC is three times 14 = 42. Or put another way three times 26 is 78, three times 12 is 36.Aguero (78) looks really cool on your points page but the TC got you 26. Yes it was the best TC option of the season so far (ahead of Aguero in GW8 by 1 point) but even if Sanchez just gets 3 more points for his TCers this week the advantage you're getting from an Aguero TC is just 14 points.
You're kinda playing with words hereThe gain you get from playing the TC chip as opposed to just normal captaining is 1 times the players score. That's what the TC gets you. The other points are down to (a) deciding to own the player and (b) deciding to captain him.
. Anyone who owns both Sanchez & Aguero had a 50/50 choice for TC this week (in theory the best GW for TC on paper). So your (C) choice and TC choice are the same. Isolating them doesn't really make any sense. If Sanchez only gets 3 tonight, you lose 28 pts from the Agüero TCers. Now you may account half those pts to your captain choice but again it doesn't make much sense, you can't have Agüero (C) for "B" and Sanchez TC for "C" :pac:.
If you WC with BB & TC in mind, your way of looking at it doesn't really match the full picture IMO because the team you got (with your WC) will impact several of your following GWs. So, isolating the chips to look at their impact just when you used it/them is kinda wrong in practice. It is my case. My "failed" WC team is completely different from my pre-WC team. So my decisions to BB in 34 and TC in 37 will impact all my GWs from 33 (WC week) to 38 whatever I do!You're pointing out the fundamental flaw in how people are viewing the chips and esp the TC, as per previous lengthy discussion on the DGW thread culminating in my piece for FFS.
Most important word: should.Iused2likebusts wrote: »You should get a boost from a wildcard a tc and a bb. It doesn't matter when you get that boost it's all about your end of season score. I think a lot of people like the idea of getting that big boost at the end. Of the 3 chips above I only see value in the tc being used in a dgw. The bb and wildcard should be used whenever it suits your team.
Vaue: none so far :pac:.
More seriously, as I said above, the boost or anti-boost you get from your chips in the case of a post WC use designed for them is longer than the sole use of the chip.
And about the timing, the GW30-37 "chaos" this year with a huge blank in 30 and huge double in 34 mislead many of the late WCers. "Killed" many of our seasons...0 -
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He's assuming one owns both players. With A = player pts, B = captain pts & C = TC points, you only "lose" from B & C if you own both. So in his example, it's a 28 pts diff.
No. I'm not. Regardless of whether you own both, the extra you get from playing the TC on whichever player you choose, in whichever gameweek you choose to activate it is one extra times that players score. It goes without saying that the TC has to be played on your captain. So of the 38 captains you get to choose, you get (on top of the B points for deciding to make him captain) ONE MORE TIMES HIS SCORE for one week only. So no matter who owns who. What you get EXTRA on you overall score this season for the TC chip is one times the score of the player you activated it in, who by definition was one of you 38 captains. That is maths. Anything else is perception. And I'm running out of ways to say it so this is my very very last attempt.You're kinda playing with words here. Anyone who owns both Sanchez & Aguero had a 50/50 choice for TC this week (in theory the best GW for TC on paper). So your (C) choice and TC choice are the same. Isolating them doesn't really make any sense. If Sanchez only gets 3 tonight, you lose 28 pts from the Agüero TCers. Now you may account half those pts to your captain choice but again it doesn't make much sense, you can't have Agüero (C) for "B" and Sanchez TC for "C" :pac:.
No. I'm not. I'm playing with numbers. Yeah, anyone owning both had pretty much a 50/50 choice for the captaincy. But they had 37 other choices for the TC (you know that chip which gives you ONE MORE TIMES A PLAYERS SCORE for one of you 38 captain choices
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If Sanchez only gets 3 tomorrow a Sanchez TC loses 14 from his choice to go with the crowd on the choice of captain this week. He also loses 14 from his choice to activate TC this week rather than any of the other 38. He loses 13 from not having activated it on Aguero GW9. He gains 8 on me as he luckily didnt activate it on Lukaku in 33.
I know its hard.to get the concept of separating the TC points which are 'per season' and the success or failure of which can only be compared to (a) the 38 other captains you could have played it on and (b) what your rivals or the rest of the world at large got in their one shot at it per season......and the weekly captain points which are 'per gameweek' and affect you compared to how the other main captain options performed that gameweek versus you own, with factors like ownership greatly affecting your rank rise or fall.0 -
@FHFC.
It's not really a response to your post, just a summary of how I see this game. It seems I can't make it clear what I want to say. And the more examples I take the less understood I get
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So. To me, this game is no maths. If you want to see it like that, you're free to do it. And I'm not mocking it. I actually find your analyses very interesting. But I prefer having an overall view on one's season and isolating the chips the way you do does not make sense to me when I analyse my season.
Because decisions you take will affect several (if not all) aspects of the game: players you own, captain choices, use of chips, following transfers, etc... And each decision will impact your next one, influencing again all aspects of your game and so on and on and on...
For example, I decided to keep my chips for a late use during DGWs. The only thing I'm really interested in is how the 6 or 7 FSAers who played their WC early and whom Busts is tracking their scores will end up on. On average, it'll tell me how right or wrong I was to keep my chips for such a late use. And even if e.g. Payet, as a TC, gets me 150 pts in DGW37, I may consider my use of these chips wrong because I may have lost 300 pts before hand in the previous 18-20 GWs. So, admittedly I could gloss about my great TC's "C" number but what about all the other "A1_n" & "B1_n" numbers I may have lost out from because of my choice of using a late DGW TC (same goes for BB)?
Maybe I should put it this way: we're looking at different frames of reference. Hope it's clearer now. If it's not, just ignore this post and assume both you're right and my level of english is not up to this debate :pac:...0 -
@FHFC.
It's not really a response to your post, just a summary of how I see this game. It seems I can't make it clear what I want to say. And the more examples I take the less understood I get.
So. To me, this game is no maths. If you want to see it like that, you're free to do it. And I'm not mocking it. I actually find your analyses very interesting. But I prefer having an overall view on one's season and isolating the chips the way you do does not make sense to me when I analyse my season.
Because decisions you take will affect several (if not all) aspects of the game: players you own, captain choices, use of chips, following transfers, etc... And each decision will impact your next one, influencing again all aspects of your game and so on and on and on...
For example, I decided to keep my chips for a late use during DGWs. The only thing I'm really interested in is how the 6 or 7 FSAers who played their WC early and whom Busts is tracking their scores will end up on. On average, it'll tell me how right or wrong I was to keep my chips for such a late use. And even if e.g. Payet, as a TC, gets me 150 pts in DGW37, I may consider my use of these chips wrong because I may have lost 300 pts before hand in the previous 18-20 GWs. So, admittedly I could gloss about my great TC's "C" number but what about all the other "A1_n" & "B1_n" numbers I may have lost out from because of my choice of using a late DGW TC (same goes for BB)?
Maybe I should put it this way: we're looking at different frames of reference. Hope it's clearer now. If it's not, just ignore this post and assume both you're right and my level of english is not up to this debate :pac:...
That's ok. I'm brushing up on my French for June. We can meet up and the Euros and thrash this all out over few glasses of wine!!
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