Season 6 | Episode 13 | The Same Boat [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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The Walking Dead - Season 6

Episode 13 - "The Same Boat"

Airdate - March 13th on AMC at 9/8c | March 14th on FOX UK at 9pm

After experiencing a success, there is a whole new set of issues when members of the group are taken and held hostage.

Promo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YhCgAp6io0

Sneak Peak #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so2hYFVhg6k

Sneak Peak #2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85l5654oTNQ

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shineon23

Still the moral of the story:

shineon23 wrote: »

Moral of the story: Always listen to Carol!

Hank Scorpio

Rough stuff..

Fantastic Episode, one of my favorite overall easily

The Talking Bread

Christ that was a serious episode. Fantastic stuff. Didn't actually feel like Walking Dead at times! Plot hole sniffers will be struggling to find much from that.

Best I've seen from Maggie in a couple of seasons. Carol has been the star of series 6 in my opinion. Struggling to recall a scene she hasn't stolen and the actress that played Paula was superb, Molly was well cast also (both look familiar.....anyone enlighten me what they've been in) It's all getting very dark and it's brilliant!!

Bistoman

OK, That was Different?
Good episode,

A bit more morally ambiguous than the usual story, I was expecting Carol to resurface from the mousey Nun,

But it was good.

Will we get to see Negan at all this season?

ricero

RIP to the smoking country woman, she was the salt of the earth

The Talking Bread

Bistoman wrote: »

OK, That was Different?
Good episode,

A bit more morally ambiguous than the usual story, I was expecting Carol to resurface from the mousey Nun,

But it was good.

Will we get to see Negan at all this season?

Carol isn't no mousey nun!! Quite the opposite! However you can see Morgan's words having a significant influence on her. Her behaviour was half act, half morally challenged

Maggie was brilliant. As I said best I've seen her in years!


Another thing, haven't the short term cameo characters been one of the strongest aspect of this season. Eastman, the wolf, Paula and even that guy who led the bike crew who Daryl, Abe and Sasha killed were brilliantly cast and portrayed. Can't fault the character portrayals in the show of late

smash

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Carol isn't no mousey nun!! Quite the opposite! However you can see Morgan's words having a significant influence on her. Her behaviour was half act, half morally challenged

I'm not sure I like the new Carol, but I'm positive I don't like the new Maggie. To me, those scenes with Gregory should really have starred Carol.

Robsweezie

definitely had a feminist vibe to it all, enjoyed it.

thegreengoblin

Robsweezie wrote: »

definitely had a feminist vibe to it all, enjoyed it.

Not sure about the feminist vibe. The fact that the main characters in the episode were women wasn't significant in itself for me, it was just great character development with two people who happened to be women.

As one of the 'focus' episodes it was possibly the best one yet. I wanted Rick and the gang to appear sooner than they did but it was still very enjoyable. It was as dark as last week's episode, more so in some places...Maggie bashing one of her captor's brains in comes to mind, Carol shooting the other one point blank in the head. Luring the other saviours in and burning them to death was nearly too much. I almost dread where the show is going now with this 'kill or be killed' theme, it's grim and brutal stuff.

Carol was utterly tormented in this one, another great performance from Melissa McBride. Likewise, Lauren Cohan had her best moments in the whole show so far and responded brilliantly. Whatever about Carol, Maggie's innocence is gone and I had a real sense of pity for her when she more or less fell into Glenn's arms.

I sort of laughed at Rick just shooting the captured Saviour after he told him he was Negan. Rick is reminding me right now of that famous Simpsons NRA episode where Homer shoots nearly everything in sight just because he has a gun!

Easily the best season so far and this episode just added to it.

Lone Stone

ow carol my angel of death

titan18

Another very good episode. All the episodes after the return from the break have been great, really hope they keep this up

Sugar Free

The Talking Bread wrote: »

... the actress that played Paula was superb, Molly was well cast also (both look familiar.....anyone enlighten me what they've been in) It's all getting very dark and it's brilliant!!

Off the top of my head Paula (Alicia Witt) had a full season role in Justified (season 4 I think) and appeared in several episodes of Friday Night Lights (season 4/5). Plenty of other things too I'm sure.

The Talking Bread

Just realised who I thought Molly acted, sounded and looked like.... a slightly older, angrier and tougher version of Melissa Mccarthy.

Oh and check out the actress that played Paula (alicia witt). She is hot stuff!

La_Gordy

I think this thread needs a poll so we can all start 10ing it.

5starpool

I wasn't as fond of this episode as most of you seem to be. Didn't resolve or progress anything at all.

Flippyfloppy

Sugar Free wrote: »

Off the top of my head Paula (Alicia Witt) had a full season role in Justified (season 4 I think) and appeared in several episodes of Friday Night Lights (season 4/5). Plenty of other things too I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure she played a reoccurring role as a blind woman in the mentalist too.

I'm guessing that talk Carol had with her new fella about moms being so tough was a bit of foreshadowing for this week. All the tough ass women together having a mom-off! See how crazy four kids made Paula!

The Talking Bread

5starpool wrote: »

I wasn't as fond of this episode as most of you seem to be. Didn't resolve or progress anything at all.

It very much progressed Maggies character. And continued Carol's transformation. And we have an ever growing insight how dark and vicious the Saviours are. Great dialogue, some fantastic characterisations and some dark, tense and superbly shot action in the last third. For an episode shot with a handful of characters in a small location, that's great stuff

crazyderk

I found that and the last episode very dark. There was too much violent murder from the main characters, in particular setting the guys on fire in the end & murdering people while they sleep. in the last episode

Its actually turned me off the main characters as it feels like they have no redeeming qualities & arn't just trying to survive but actually seeking out people to kill.

In saying that its a credit to the writers to be able to stir up such emotion

The Talking Bread

Sugar Free wrote: »

Off the top of my head Paula (Alicia Witt) had a full season role in Justified (season 4 I think) and appeared in several episodes of Friday Night Lights (season 4/5). Plenty of other things too I'm sure.

Oh come on you wikipediad that 😄😄 ha!

jester77

Well, that was a splatter fest :eek:

I enjoy a good splatter movie, but it felt a bit out of place here.

expectationlost

i thought that carol had been bitten or injured at the end but it was just a cut from squeezing the cross

LionelNashe

Jesus Christ, Carol, don't start getting soft. This is war! Kill or be killed.

I think she remembered that again before the end of the episode.

And what did Maggie say to Glenn at the end? Was it "I can't anymore?"

The Talking Bread

LionelNashe wrote: »

Jesus Christ, Carol, don't start getting soft. This is war! Kill or be killed.

I think she remembered that again before the end of the episode.

And what did Maggie say to Glenn at the end? Was it "I can't anymore?"

I cant do this anymore , something like that.

The Gibzilla

The Talking Bread wrote:

And we have an ever growing insight how dark and vicious the Saviours are.

We've more of an insight as to how dark and vicious Rick's crew have become. The lines of which group are good or bad are definitely blurred now.

This is by far the most consistent and enjoyable season since the first.

Ben Gadot

Crazy episode in a good way, that turned the tables in a way that retribution is absolutely fair game now for the saviours. Rick and Maggie really have created a clusterfcuk of a situation, and I'm starting to get the feeling the latter might be getting set up for a hard fall.

It'd be dark putting a pregnant woman to the bat even for this show but I'm starting to feel it's possible.

Robsweezie

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Not sure about the feminist vibe. The fact that the main characters in the episode were women wasn't significant in itself for me, it was just great character development with two people who happened to be women.

I felt feminist undertones throughout the episode, the big players in the ep being women, the first female group we've seen in the show, the themes of motherhood with carol and paula and of course maggie, paula's disempowering of her ''weak'' male boss by killing him.

it was a nice showcase of a great female cast with themes of empowerment. when I say feminist I mean it in a complimentary way in this case, not in the negative agenda -driven sense.

DoozerT6

"The lines of which group are good or bad are definitely blurred now".

^^ I'm not so sure about that tbh....yes, Ricks group are much more matter of fact about being brutal when it's called for lately, but it's purely for survival (yes, even killing the Saviours in their sleep) - it's kill or be killed. The Saviours, The Wolves, The Claimers.....they all kill/killed seemingly indiscriminately. There's a difference between carrying out acts of extreme violence in self defence and carrying them out to intimidate or threaten others who are little or no threat to you, eg The Saviours vs Hilltop.

The Talking Bread

Robsweezie wrote: »

I felt feminist undertones throughout the episode, the big players in the ep being women, the first female group we've seen in the show, the themes of motherhood with carol and paula and of course maggie, paula's disempowering of her ''weak'' male boss by killing him.

it was a nice showcase of a great female cast with themes of empowerment. when I say feminist I mean it in a complimentary way in this case, not in the negative agenda -driven sense.

In fairness there has always been strong female characters. Carol, Maggie, Michonne, the cop in the hospital, Deanna, Rosita, Tara, Andrea (until she became a naive fool), Sasha, even the evil b $tch in the Sanctuary. All strong female characters. Even Beth hardened up towards the end.

. I think the background theme was moreso about emphasising survival post apocalypse through a female lens. There was the issue of pregnancy, husband abuse, motherhood, Carol in her meek faux housewife mask, the girls protecting eachother against the only male among them, and a few other aspects. Not feminism per se, just a female viewpoint.

Mr.Nice Guy

Well silly season continues and plumbs new depths with this load of bloody nonsense.

I said last week that this load of enemies couldn't have been presented any weaker. I was mistaken. Here we had two captured women, one of whom is pregnant, completely eliminate all four of their captors. So it was 36-0 last week and this week it was 4-0. Again, I ask: why should we care about Negan's weak-ass group which can't even record ONE casualty on Rick's side even when they are CAPTIVE.

It's RIDICULOUS.

And it was blatantly obvious Carol was going to save the day after the constant 'You're weak' comments towards TV's most absurd character, the abused housewife turned MacGyver, who can escape from duct tape using ROSARY BEADS.

Paula, the redhead, I found to be an interesting character. It would have been interesting to at least allow her to get away but I guess Rick's crack unit of Commandos must always have their flawless victory.

The ending was so cringeworthy with that ludicrous moment with the cigarette and the fire, followed by MacGyver and Maggie sauntering out in slow motion like they're filming a Snoop Dogg video. I was half expecting Carol to don shades and for an explosion to happen in the background. Cos they're like so badass, yo. :rolleyes:

Rick shooting the guy at the end was too far-fetched. I think even Shane would have had a think over what to do but when Shane was around the show the show had a semblance of believability (as can be expected from an apocalyptic zombie show). Now it's just a cartoon show.

Tune in next time to see how many of Negan's numbskulls will be downed by Rick's Justice League. Let's see how long we can keep that clean sheet going, eh? I want the gang to get to triple figures and still not lose anybody. Why not?

I'm feeling a strong 4 to a light 5 out of 10 for this one.

The Talking Bread

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Well silly season continues and plumbs new depths with this load of bloody nonsense.

I said last week that this load of enemies couldn't have been presented any weaker. I was mistaken. Here we had two captured women, one of whom is pregnant, completely eliminate all four of their captors. So it was 36-0 last week and this week it was 4-0. Again, I ask: why should we care about Negan's weak-ass group which can't even record ONE casualty on Rick's side even when they are CAPTIVE.

It's RIDICULOUS.

And it was blatantly obvious Carol was going to save the day after the constant 'You're weak' comments towards TV's most absurd character, the abused housewife turned MacGyver, who can escape from duct tape using ROSARY BEADS.

Paula, the redhead, I found to be an interesting character. It would have been interesting to at least allow her to get away but I guess Rick's crack unit of Commandos must always have their flawless victory.

The ending was so cringeworthy with that ludicrous moment with the cigarette and the fire, followed by MacGyver and Maggie sauntering out in slow motion like they're filming a Snoop Dogg video. I was half expecting Carol to don shades and for an explosion to happen in the background. Cos they're like so badass, yo. :rolleyes:

Rick shooting the guy at the end was too far-fetched. I think even Shane would have had a think over what to do but when Shane was around the show the show had a semblance of believability (as can be expected from an apocalyptic zombie show). Now it's just a cartoon show.

Tune in next time to see how many of Negan's numbskulls will be downed by Rick's Justice League. Let's see how long we can keep that clean sheet going, eh? I want the gang to get to triple figures and still not lose anybody. Why not?

I'm feeling a strong 4 to a light 5 out of 10 for this one.

Here we go again!! Ha!
Between watching the show every week and writing long reviews, you sure dont seem like you should be someone who hates the show! Could of got a fortnights ironing done in that hour for yourself

Your reviews are becoming parodies of themselves at this stage!! im beginning to think you are trolling !! Ha!

Anyway i look forward to your review next week !!

Rothko

Sugar Free wrote: »

Off the top of my head Paula (Alicia Witt) had a full season role in Justified (season 4 I think) and appeared in several episodes of Friday Night Lights (season 4/5). Plenty of other things too I'm sure.

She was in The Sopranos too

Mr.Nice Guy

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Here we go again!! Ha!
Between watching the show every week and writing long reviews, you sure dont seem like you should be someone who hates the show! Could of got a fortnights ironing done in that hour for yourself

Your reviews are becoming parodies of themselves at this stage!! im beginning to think you are trolling !! Ha!

Anyway i look forward to your review next week !!

Honestly at this point my feeling towards the show is similar to the feelings people on the TV forum have on the Late Late thread: it's dire TV, yet you can't help but be engrossed. I guess I'm in jaded fan territory.

I am hoping the writers give me at least one episode this season that I like.

mzungu

Great episode. This season is the business so far.

Carol has always been one of the best characters on the show. I was always a bit indifferent to Maggie but in that episode both were great. Shame Paula won't be around, the character was interesting.

Wonder what they mean with this "we are all Negan" stuff.

The Talking Bread

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Honestly at this point my feeling towards the show is similar to the feelings people on the TV forum have on the Late Late thread: it's dire TV, yet you can't help but be engrossed. I guess I'm in jaded fan territory.

I am hoping the writers give me at least one episode this season that I like.

If you didnt enjoy the last two episodes in the context of the whole series, i dont hold out much hope for you tbh!

Sugar Free

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Oh come on you wikipediad that 😄😄 ha!

Lol, genuinely just recognized her from the two shows I mentioned as I've watched them both in full (Justified is excellent).

Anyway not sure where they go from here if they've killed everyone or at least think they have. Somehow doubt the last guy Rick shot was actually Negan. Back to the hilltop for more information maybe?

duridian

Suas11 wrote: »

She was in The Sopranos too

Yes, around season 3 I think. Christopher Moltisanto (or whatever way you spell it) was boinking her for a bit.

Crackle

I enjoyed that episode, the best of the season so far I think. Only moment of stupidity really was Maggie and Carol watching on as the other was engaged in a fight with the Paula and the other one (at least Carol eventually stepped in), but minor enough not to spoil my enjoyment of it.

Speaking of Paula, or more to the point the actress that plays/played her, I spent ages thinking what the hell did I see her in before. Had to wiki it and turns out she was Ms. Pasternak in an episode of Two and a Half Men. Mystery solved.

delly

Since there is no poll, I will go with the luxury of giving a half score of 6.5. The episode wasn't bad per se, I just wanted quicker progression such as been in the recent previous episodes. When you get spoilt for so long, your standards get higher which is a sign of good writing.

Mr.Prodston

Ha I spent my time between watching the episode and getting to read the thread wondering if Alicia Witt would get a mention. I wasn't disappointed :pac:

Great in Justified and her episode in The Sopranos will live long in my memory! Great in her starring role tonight too.

Is Negan a bit of a "I'm Spartacus" type thing or is that just what they want us/them to think?

Really enjoyed the episode. Carol has long been one of my favourite characters since about season 3. I presume everything is beginning to catch up with her now? I actually thought she might have bowed out tonight.

It was kind of fun imagining what antics Rick et al were getting up to in between the chats.

Assuming the last few episodes keep pace then this has been the best season nearly I think!

Lone Stone

second half of this season has been great so far compared to the first half which had some of the worst and best episodes of the entire show, so i just hope they dont **** up the end like they did with that awful show down with the governor kinda crap the first time i love the show but some times im like just waiting for it to let me down with bad writing.

smash

I don't like carol's new character and I think the show has been pretty weak for the last few episodes. I do however get a feeling that we're going to have a red wedding moment at the end of the season when they're finally confronted by Neegan and we'll see 3/4 main characters wiped out but Rick left standing as the leader with an order to return home with a message not to fcuk with Neegan's gang. We'll see him return back to the group a broken man.

Greyjoy

DoozerT6 wrote:

I'm not so sure about that tbh....yes, Ricks group are much more matter of fact about being brutal when it's called for lately, but it's purely for survival (yes, even killing the Saviours in their sleep) - it's kill or be killed. The Saviours, The Wolves, The Claimers.....they all kill/killed seemingly indiscriminately. There's a difference between carrying out acts of extreme violence in self defence and carrying them out to intimidate or threaten others who are little or no threat to you, eg The Saviours vs Hilltop.

Rick's group are definitely *not* acting in self defense. They're killing because they want the resources that hilltop has. How is that any different from the Saviours? In fact between the two groups Rick's group has the far higher bodycount. Woodbury, the wolves & the cannibals attacked Rick's group first but in this scenario Rick's group have fired the first shots. From the saviours point of view this unknown group popped up out of nowhere and slaughtered the entire population of their outpost.

listermint

Greyjoy wrote: »

Rick's group are definitely *not* acting in self defense. They're killing because they want the resources that hilltop has. How is that any different from the Saviours? In fact between the two groups Rick's group has the far higher bodycount. Woodbury, the wolves & the cannibals attacked Rick's group first but in this scenario Rick's group have fired the first shots. From the saviours point of view this unknown group popped up out of nowhere and slaughtered the entire population of their outpost.

Their biker crew did attempt to murder 3 of them on the highway for a truck full of gas.


So.......

Greyjoy

listermint wrote: »

Their biker crew did attempt to murder 3 of them on the highway for a truck full of gas.


So.......

The biker gang attempted to rob them of the truck and take them prisoner.

I'm not trying to paint the saviours as innocents but what we have here is not a 'good guys' vs 'bad guys' scenario. It's two groups fighting for control of a resource (hilltop).

Flippyfloppy

Greyjoy wrote: »

The biker gang attempted to rob them of the truck and take them prisoner.

I'm not trying to paint the saviours as innocents but what we have here is not a 'good guys' vs 'bad guys' scenario. It's two groups fighting for control of a resource (hilltop).

At the same time the saviors would have attacked them at some point, why lie in wait to be attacked as they have in the past? This season is about recognizing good vs evil.

sonofenoch

I'm really not feeling it with this series and I like a good slasher as much as anyone......but these episodes wouldn't even rate as B slashers if it were a movie such is the poor acting and execution .......the sign of a good programme for me is you watch it again a 2nd a 3rd time, these are just watch and move on .......and yet every week some are just so invested in it and eager to be pleased you read things like 'wow best episode ever' and I think what??? did I just watch the same thing...

Monife

sonofenoch wrote: »

I'm really not feeling it with this series and I like a good slasher as much as anyone......but these episodes wouldn't even rate as B slashers if it were a movie such is the poor acting and execution .......the sign of a good programme for me is you watch it again a 2nd a 3rd time, these are just watch and move on .......and yet every week some are just so invested in it and eager to be pleased you read things like 'wow best episode ever' and I think what??? did I just watch the same thing...

It wasn't the best episode ever but it was a pretty good episode, especially for mid-season. There was some great character development with Carol and Maggie and a few slices of action at the end. What more do you want?

duffman13

sonofenoch wrote: »

I'm really not feeling it with this series and I like a good slasher as much as anyone......but these episodes wouldn't even rate as B slashers if it were a movie such is the poor acting and execution .......the sign of a good programme for me is you watch it again a 2nd a 3rd time, these are just watch and move on .......and yet every week some are just so invested in it and eager to be pleased you read things like 'wow best episode ever' and I think what??? did I just watch the same thing...

I have thoroughly enjoyed this series since the return more than any other. There has been points in time were I have been bored to tears with this show however right now I am enjoying the ride. I wouldn't consider myself invested prior to the return from the mid season break. I'm now very much invested and engaged and the consensus is so are a lot of others.

Maybe you don't enjoy the murderous blurring of the lines however this show now has a grey area which means you don't know what's going to happen. There will be plenty of moral debates and I think the fact Ricks group are now proactively attacking what they perceive as a threat means the show has got more realistic. There is more depth to what happens because it's no longer a clear good v bad show.

Cantona's Collars

Carols interaction with her captor was basically Carol looking in the mirror,going form a weak "yes sir" person to somebody who would kill in a heartbeat.So many parallels between the two characters.Perhaps that is why she told her to run and hesitated in shooting her.

The Talking Bread

sonofenoch wrote: »

I'm really not feeling it with this series and I like a good slasher as much as anyone......but these episodes wouldn't even rate as B slashers if it were a movie such is the poor acting and execution .......the sign of a good programme for me is you watch it again a 2nd a 3rd time, these are just watch and move on .......and yet every week some are just so invested in it and eager to be pleased you read things like 'wow best episode ever' and I think what??? did I just watch the same thing...

Im not "eager to be pleased" . Ill call a spade a spade and have done when critivising some aspects. But for me most of this season has been top notch in the context of what the show is about. Im not a comic reader in the sense but i got referred to a website with all the comics during the summers and i ibinge read them over a few days.

So after being a casual enough fan beforehand i became more invested in it as a show. So i am willing to admit i am probably biased and may seem over enthusiastic in my appreciation of the show this season! I probably overlook suspension of reality aspects also.

Im willing to admit if you dont account for the fact the show is based on the comic fantasy aspect small things can become frustrating!