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Trying to make sense of the Five "Solas" of Salvation

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  • #182
    Nick Park
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    keano_afc wrote: »
    I've been attending a short course run by IBI in Swords baptist church for the last 3 weeks, on church history. Its a brilliant course, and last night we covered Luther and the Reformation. When going over the 5 solas I thought of this thread, and the the lecturer covered the explanation well. It was similar to the explanation earlier in the thread that showed how the solas stand alone yet are linked together.

    I would encourage anyone to take the course, its a fascinating insight into the birth, growth and scattering of the church.

    That the one with John Woodside as lecturer?


  • #183
    keano_afc
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    Nick Park wrote: »
    That the one with John Woodside as lecturer?

    Yep, sure is. My wife did the diploma course in IBI and she recommended the church history module. I'm really enjoying it.


  • #184
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    keano_afc wrote: »
    Yep, sure is. My wife did the diploma course in IBI and she recommended the church history module. I'm really enjoying it.


    I actually did their very first course....was many years ago:D


  • #185
    Parachutes
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    The only time we see anything close to "Faith Alone" in the Bible is James 2:24 which reads: "Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?" (Douay Rheims)


  • #186
    solodeogloria
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    Parachutes wrote: »
    The only time we see anything close to "Faith Alone" in the Bible is James 2:24 which reads: "Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?" (Douay Rheims)

    Good morning (just about)!

    I would recommend that you read the previous posts in the thread where Biblical substantiation has been given for sola fide.

    tl;dr - how about Ephesians 2:8-10, and Romans 1 - 4

    Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
    solodeogloria


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  • #187
    Parachutes
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    solodeogloria wrote: »
    Good morning (just about)!

    I would recommend that you read the previous posts in the thread where Biblical substantiation has been given for sola fide.

    tl;dr - how about Ephesians 2:8-10, and Romans 1 - 4

    Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
    solodeogloria

    I don't see how Ephesians 2:8-10 refute the Catholic position on Salvation. As Catholics we absolutely believe that we are saved by God's grace and faith but also in conjunction with good works. It's not an either/or. The "works" referred to in Ephesians are "works of the law" He is not speaking against the glory of "good works", which is God's grace working within us.

    Take for example Romans 3:28: "For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law" (Douay Rheims) Consider Paul's audience here. He is talking to Roman Christians. All that is being implied is that you do not have to be Jewish to be Christian.

    God Bless.


  • #188
    solodeogloria
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    Parachutes wrote: »
    I don't see how Ephesians 2:8-10 refute the Catholic position on Salvation. As Catholics we absolutely believe that we are saved by God's grace and faith but also in conjunction with good works. It's not an either/or. The "works" referred to in Ephesians are "works of the law" He is not speaking against the glory of "good works", which is God's grace working within us.

    Take for example Romans 3:28: "For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law" (Douay Rheims) Consider Paul's audience here. He is talking to Roman Christians. All that is being implied is that you do not have to be Jewish to be Christian.

    God Bless.

    Good morning!

    For Ephesians 2:8-10, I think all that I said is that the passage emphasises that we are justified by faith, not by works. Works are simply the fruit of faith.

    For Romans 3, he isn't just talking about being Jewish. Read chapter 4 where he clearly says that works do not save and they do not even contribute to our salvation, faith is a gift. He uses Genesis 15:6 to show this.

    We've been through this all in the thread so far, so I would encourage you to read and respond to those posts if you want. I think rehashing what has already been explained wouldn't be productive.

    Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
    solodeogloria


  • #189
    mdebets
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    Parachutes wrote: »
    I don't see how Ephesians 2:8-10 refute the Catholic position on Salvation. As Catholics we absolutely believe that we are saved by God's grace and faith but also in conjunction with good works. It's not an either/or.
    I'm normally not getting involved in these fruitless discussions, but that's not the believe of the Catholic Church.
    Read the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification between the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church
    Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification &#167 wrote: »
    ... Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.
    .
    Good works are not a requirement for salvation, but are a result of our salvation.
    Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification &#167 wrote: »
    We confess together that good works - a Christian life lived in faith, hope and love - follow justification and are its fruits. ...
    .


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