Anti-social behaviour that you just don't get

Ray Palmer

I have lived in Dublin for most of my life with a a few years working in other countries and a lot of traveling but I simply don't get some anti-social issues. General thuggery of attacks and drinking make a certain amount of sense to me and don't surprise me but others I just don't get.
Dumping on streets of furniture, rubbish, etc... just doesn't make any sense especially electrical gear. People live there and they dump it around their own area and then have to live with it but they don't seem to care.
Graffiti makes little to no sense, I am not talking about some image just the random tagging and scrawls over things. It actually isn't evn that bad here compared to other countries. Etching on glass is completely pointless and ugly. What great thrill are these sad people getting?
Anybody understand this or do stuff like this that they can explain?

JustShon

The dumping is simply a lack of giving a sh1t about their area. They're too lazy to dump it properly so they feck it out into the street and ignore it.

I knew a lad who used to do "tagging" as he called it. It's like a competition for them, they have to tag more places than the other lads who are also "tagging" and they all know each other's tags.

hatrickpatrick

This one is very specific to Dublin, but leaning out of house / flat windows and shouting "What the f*ck are YOUUUUUU lookin' a'? Ye f*ckin' muppeh!" to randomers on the street.

To me, this is literally the #1 sign that you've wandered into a "dodgy" area - but it makes absolutely zero sense.

This was the first danger signal I got when I took a wrong turn at 2AM one night coming out of a friend's gaff and wandered onto St Anthony's Road. I should have heeded it and turned the feck back around rather than continuing on my merry way *shudder*

osarusan

Clowns ripping the bus schedule off the wall, so nobody (including them) knows when a bus will come.

JustShon

osarusan wrote: »

Clowns ripping the bus schedule off the wall, so nobody (including them) knows when a bus will come.

Oooh, this one used to get on my nerves in a big way.

Not so much these days coz I use the app.

Mint Aero

Scumbag inner city types blaring love songs and chipmunk music off their Nokias on the bus.

Canadel

When the gentleman at the post office doesn't say you're welcome after you say thank you for the dole money. Manners cost nothing.

arayess

getting rid of waste like electrical gear costs.
dumping is free.

ED E

arayess wrote: »

getting rid of waste like electrical gear costs.
dumping is free.

With WEEE its free, buy a tellie, hand them the old one.

Just scummers on the scratcher being scummers on the scratcher.

hatrickpatrick

osarusan wrote: »

Clowns ripping the bus schedule off the wall, so nobody (including them) knows when a bus will come.

Implying the bus schedule on the wall has ever actually told somebody when a bus would come

the groutch

Scumbags stoning fire trucks & ambulances on Halloween night.

Ray Palmer

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This one is very specific to Dublin, but leaning out of house / flat windows and shouting "What the f*ck are YOUUUUUU lookin' a'? Ye f*ckin' muppeh!" to randomers on the street.

Not once have I experienced this. Maybe because if I saw somebody hanging out a window at 2am in an dodgy area I would know not to look at them:D

The general threatening of people and looking for an excuse to start a fight I certainly have received and seen. The other day while waiting for the bus at 8:30am a young guy walking along with his mate just randomly did the classic "What you looking at?" to an old man waiting for the same bus as me. The man must have been 70 and the guy (holding a bottle of beer) in his early twenties. That is a new low I hadn't seen before as they at least used to threaten people at least close to their age. There were enough people at the stop to make a move that the scumbags walked away when people started to step forward.
Then general aggression is something I kind of understand. If your life is sh*t and others seem to have stuff you resent everybody. Not approving but at least makes some sense.

Kai123

Smashing glass bottles on pathways.

vg88

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This one is very specific to Dublin, but leaning out of house / flat windows and shouting "What the f*ck are YOUUUUUU lookin' a'? Ye f*ckin' muppeh!" to randomers on the street.

To me, this is literally the #1 sign that you've wandered into a "dodgy" area - but it makes absolutely zero sense.

This was the first danger signal I got when I took a wrong turn at 2AM one night coming out of a friend's gaff and wandered onto St Anthony's Road. I should have heeded it and turned the feck back around rather than continuing on my merry way *shudder*

Had this 3 weeks ago on O'Connell street at around 10am. I was about to bring my czech girlfriend on a trip to Glenalough and Powerscourt to see the local wild life, didn't think we'd get to see it for free in dublin so early.

arayess

ED E wrote: »

With WEEE its free, buy a tellie, hand them the old one.

Just scummers on the scratcher being scummers on the scratcher.

only if you buying a new one.

I cleared out the house before and the fingal recycle centre charged me a decent sum to take my stuff.
My point was to pithy too be honest.apologies.
get rid of waste costs.
some people are scabby bastards and would dump to avoid that.
I hate it too . not condoning it.

The Master

Plebs wearing a straw boater after labour day, Animals

ShaneU

Smashing plexiglass on bus stops.

JustShon

arayess wrote: »

only if you buying a new one.

I cleared out the house before and the fingal recycle centre charged me a decent sum to take my stuff.
My point was to pithy too be honest.apologies.
get rid of waste costs.
some people are scabby bastards and would dump to avoid that.
I hate it too . not condoning it.

Getting rid of the costs won't do it.

"Ye hardly expect me to bring it all the way down the recyclin' place do ye?"

It's easier to just fcuk it outside and leave it there.

JustShon

JustShon wrote: »

Getting rid of the costs won't do it.

"Ye hardly expect me to bring it all the way down the recyclin' place do ye?"

It's easier to just fcuk it outside and leave it there.

In parts of the UK, there are still "Rag and Bone" men going around. If you want rid of something, you just leave it by the footpath and they'll take it away. They take anything big or small, as long as it is electrical or metal of any sort. There must be money in it, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

Timberrrrrrrr

arayess wrote: »

only if you buying a new one.

I cleared out the house before and the fingal recycle centre charged me a decent sum to take my stuff.
My point was to pithy too be honest.apologies.
get rid of waste costs.
some people are scabby bastards and would dump to avoid that.
I hate it too . not condoning it.

Power city will take electrical goods for free, no need to buy anything just walk in and put it in the cages inside the door.

JustShon

Deleted User wrote: »

In parts of the UK, there are still "Rag and Bone" men going around. If you want rid of something, you just leave it by the footpath and they'll take it away. They take anything big or small, as long as it is electrical or metal of any sort. There must be money in it, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

I know from having lived in Dublin 1, where dumping is a big problem, that dumped furniture or even just plain ol' bags of rubbish can hang about for weeks here.

The furniture and electrical goods aren't so bad but some people just throw bags of rubbish out without putting the label on it for the bin men to collect. Then city foxes, rats, pigeons and other animals get at them and the street winds up strewn with foul-smelling rubbish. At least a telly doesn't stink up the place.

Skerries

Spitting in public
spitting out chewing gum on the street
having a full blown conversation from one end of the street to the other usually with "Sharon" or "Deco" being called out several times first

Speedwell

This thread is in danger of turning into a "oh, those slum-dwelling hoodlums" thread. People, it is more excusable to see people who don't know better or who are just trying to survive engage in antisocial behavior. It is far less excusable, and more baffling, to see people who are comfortable and safe engaging in antisocial behavior. Things like reasonless workplace sabotage (as an IT worker I've seen people mess with systems for the merry hell of it), or the banks screwing their customers out of the last drop of blood, or engineers falsifying test results. That's what really upsets and confuses me.

Ray Palmer

arayess wrote: »

only if you buying a new one.
.

Not true, it is an electrical retailer you go to and it is free. Just walk into them and give it to them no purchase required. Power City have a container at the front door so you don't have to go into the shop.

Don't know what the story is with the recycle centre you went to but there shouldn't have been any charge for electrical goods.

BrianD3

Public toilets - sh*tting on the seat, sh*tting on the floor or deliberately blocking the toilet by stuffing it with toilet roll.

mahoganygas

Speedwell wrote: »

This thread is in danger of turning into a "oh, those slum-dwelling hoodlums" thread. People, it is more excusable to see people who don't know better or who are just trying to survive engage in antisocial behavior. It is far less excusable, and more baffling, to see people who are comfortable and safe engaging in antisocial behavior. Things like reasonless workplace sabotage (as an IT worker I've seen people mess with systems for the merry hell of it), or the banks screwing their customers out of the last drop of blood, or engineers falsifying test results. That's what really upsets and confuses me.

Nobody mentioned slum-dwelling hoodlums. You did.

How is dumping your old TV onto a green excusable in any situation?
Also, why is somebody who is "trying to survive" dumping a television?

Why is somebody who is "trying to survive" allowed to be aggressive with strangers in your eyes?

There is no excuse for acting like a d1ck. Regardless if you are a "hoodlum" or IT worker.

Speedwell

mahoganygas wrote: »

Nobody mentioned slum-dwelling hoodlums. You did.

How is dumping your old TV onto a green excusable in any situation?
Also, why is somebody who is "trying to survive" dumping a television?

Why is somebody who is "trying to survive" allowed to be aggressive with strangers in your eyes?

There is no excuse for acting like a d1ck. Regardless if you are a "hoodlum" or IT worker.

I don't notice that I defended bad behavior. Perhaps you should have a nice cup of tea and a second read.

draiochtanois

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JustShon

Speedwell wrote: »

I don't notice that I defended bad behavior. Perhaps you should have a nice cup of tea and a second read.

No, you just said it's more excusable for some than it is for others.

Speedwell

JustShon wrote: »

No, you just said it's more excusable for some than it is for others.

"... more excusable to see..." See. Perceive.

Other antisocial behavior I don't get: Compassionless curtain-twitching whinging about "undesirables". Whether you choose to use that word, or only to imply it.

The dole office expecting me to pay back the free money they gave me while I was working. wtf?!

JustShon

Speedwell wrote: »

"... more excusable to see..." See. Perceive.

I'm not really getting the distinction to be honest. Are you saying it's more excusable for us to look at it? More excusable visually in some way? I'm really not following you.

Bio Mech

Speedwell wrote: »

"... more excusable to see..." See. Perceive.

Other antisocial behavior I don't get: Compassionless curtain-twitching whinging about "undesirables". Whether you choose to use that word, or only to imply it.

I think antisocial and unsociable are two different things. Curtain twitching is not antisocial. Dumping TVs is.

razorblunt

Like someone said earlier, stone throwing at buses, ambulances or fire engines.
I used to live up past Knocknaheeny and the bus would have to go through the "Back Road" to get to my stop (only ever on the way up to Knocknaheeny, never on the way to down for some reason).

But regularly they'd skip the Road entirely when there were reports of stones being thrown, often for 2 week spells.
In the summer those kids would run down to the road it would take instead and throw the stones there meaning the bus would terminate about 2 miles from it's normal stop for a few days every now and then. Absolute disaster when you were waiting for a bus in town only for someone in a car to pull over and tell you the buses have stopped.

Says a lot about the good folk in the area you'd often have strangers offering you lifts when this happened. The good/bad of any area I guess.

Ice Maiden

Speedwell wrote: »

"... more excusable to see..." See. Perceive.

Other antisocial behavior I don't get: Compassionless curtain-twitching whinging about "undesirables". Whether you choose to use that word, or only to imply it.

This just deflects responsibility from people who think they are entitled to act crap to others. It is because of a difficult upbringing/home environment no doubt but it does nobody any good to reduce personal agency. People being horrible nightmares are people being horrible nightmares, particularly when others have to be their neighbours and live in fear of them.
I have compassion for people who had difficult upbringings/grew up at a disadvantage, have reduced opportunity - especially when they also have to live in fear of thugs. I find it perplexing when the snobbery card is played in relation to actual behaviour, which most people that grew up at a disadvantage do not resort to.

Anyway, spitting - is this done to look cool or what? Utterly no purpose to it whatsoever.

Richard Hillman

Modified loud exhausts

intheclouds

Those in government bankrupting the country then retiring on massive salaries.

McGrath5

Some pleb spray painted their name on the shutter of my shop, I simply do not understand this.

Also, dumping, specifically up around the Dublin/Wicklow mountains.
I regularly go for cycles and drives up this area and it is such a beautiful and fantastic area to have so close to the city yet there is well known ethnic minority who seem to use it as their own personal dumping ground.

looksee

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Anyway, spitting - is this done to look cool or what? Utterly no purpose to it whatsoever.

Its imitating footballers, and unnecessary there too. If they would stop the whole silly business would eventually stop.

Alun

McGrath5 wrote: »

Also, dumping, specifically up around the Dublin/Wicklow mountains.

I do a lot of hillwalking up there too, and even a long, long way from any proper roads you see dumping. Not only general household waste, but garden waste, building waste (almost complete kitchens or bathrooms sometimes) and the most baffling, as has been mentioned before, electrical waste. In some cases, they would have to had lugged the stuff by hand well into the forest before dumping it.

OldNotWIse

Random acts of cruelty to animals Certain areas in Dublin where incidents are very frequent - usually the same hot spots too. Horses tied up and disemboweled, puppies set on fire etc. There was an upsetting case a while ago where a staffie was tied up and spit roasted. Poor innocent creatures. What the actual fúck is wrong with these people?

Duggy747

Ah, the days of payphones when scummers would hock a big slimy piece of phlegm on the earpiece.

Simpler times...

Trees Lounge

Graffiti. What's the point? It's not 'urban art' it's ****.

Trees Lounge

Speedwell wrote: »

This thread is in danger of turning into a "oh, those slum-dwelling hoodlums" thread. People, it is more excusable to see people who don't know better or who are just trying to survive engage in antisocial behavior. It is far less excusable, and more baffling, to see people who are comfortable and safe engaging in antisocial behavior. Things like reasonless workplace sabotage (as an IT worker I've seen people mess with systems for the merry hell of it), or the banks screwing their customers out of the last drop of blood, or engineers falsifying test results. That's what really upsets and confuses me.

What a sheltered and privileged life you must lead if you're more worried about unethical IT workers and engineers than scumbags.

Stojkovic

arayess wrote: »

only if you buying a new one.

I cleared out the house before and the fingal recycle centre charged me a decent sum to take my stuff.
My point was to pithy too be honest.apologies.
get rid of waste costs.
some people are scabby bastards and would dump to avoid that.
I hate it too . not condoning it.

SDCC is free.

Like you I cleared a house - 3 tvs, phones, chargers, irons etc etc

All free with SDCC !!!

OldNotWIse

McGrath5 wrote: »

Some pleb spray painted their name on the shutter of my shop, I simply do not understand this.

Also, dumping, specifically up around the Dublin/Wicklow mountains.
I regularly go for cycles and drives up this area and it is such a beautiful and fantastic area to have so close to the city yet there is well known ethnic minority who seem to use it as their own personal dumping ground.

I live there and it's every other day. I have a suspicion there are a few landlords that are repeat offenders. If I ever catch one in the act I will not be responsible for what I'll do.

spurious

I can understand the 'kick' that can be got from leaving your name (a la wild animal scent) around the city, or smashing things that smash satisfactorily, but gathering with your mates on a corner, cupping your genitals and roaring randomly at strangers, or at no one in particular I don't get.

Do they think civilians think 'oh they are some hard lads', or 'I'm glad to see they've taken time from their graduate studies to socialise'? Do they even realise 'why should I work hard to give 'free' money to these lazy pieces of ****' can figure in some people's thoughts?

razorblunt

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Random acts of cruelty to animals Certain areas in Dublin where incidents are very frequent - usually the same hot spots too. Horses tied up and disemboweled, puppies set on fire etc. There was an upsetting case a while ago where a staffie was tied up and spit roasted. Poor innocent creatures. What the actual fúck is wrong with these people?

Lack of facilities. You see they don't have the green area, football pitches, youth clubs, waterslide parks, sweeping views of the Serengeti and formula 1 racetrack that would take their mind off things like this.

Also they're scum.

Rothko

spurious wrote: »

I can understand the 'kick' that can be got from leaving your name (a la wild animal scent) around the city, or smashing things that smash satisfactorily, but gathering with your mates on a corner, cupping your genitals and roaring randomly at strangers, or at no one in particular I don't get.

Do they think civilians think 'oh they are some hard lads', or 'I'm glad to see they've taken time from their graduate studies to socialise'? Do they even realise 'why should I work hard to give 'free' money to these lazy pieces of ****' can figure in some people's thoughts?

I doubt it since nothing goes on in their heads at all.

gimmick

The wearing of Celtic shirts. Its just vile obnoxiousness and an assault on the sense.

LeeLooLee

Speedwell wrote: »

This thread is in danger of turning into a "oh, those slum-dwelling hoodlums" thread. People, it is more excusable to see people who don't know better or who are just trying to survive engage in antisocial behavior. It is far less excusable, and more baffling, to see people who are comfortable and safe engaging in antisocial behavior. Things like reasonless workplace sabotage (as an IT worker I've seen people mess with systems for the merry hell of it), or the banks screwing their customers out of the last drop of blood, or engineers falsifying test results. That's what really upsets and confuses me.

Oh, come off it. People 'living in slums' and 'trying to survive' in Ireland? Those people live in flats with heating, TVs, Sky, internet, get primary and secondary education for free and a huge amount of help to afford college if they want to go. They act like scummy knackbags because everyone, including the Gardai, is too afraid of them and puts up with their anti-social behaviour. I've lived in countries where people are truly in poverty, living in real slums (corrugated iron shacks with no running water) and they didn't assault people for the hell of it. I'm always ashamed to bring foreign friends to visit me in Ireland because I don't know how to explain why there's so much crime and anti-social behaviour in such a wealthy country with so many opportunities.