Anti-social behaviour that you just don't get

JustShon · 26-02-2016 12:45PM

Speedwell wrote: »

"... more excusable to see..." See. Perceive.

I'm not really getting the distinction to be honest. Are you saying it's more excusable for us to look at it? More excusable visually in some way? I'm really not following you.

Bio Mech · 26-02-2016 12:49PM

Speedwell wrote: »

"... more excusable to see..." See. Perceive.

Other antisocial behavior I don't get: Compassionless curtain-twitching whinging about "undesirables". Whether you choose to use that word, or only to imply it.

I think antisocial and unsociable are two different things. Curtain twitching is not antisocial. Dumping TVs is.

razorblunt · 26-02-2016 12:52PM

Like someone said earlier, stone throwing at buses, ambulances or fire engines.
I used to live up past Knocknaheeny and the bus would have to go through the "Back Road" to get to my stop (only ever on the way up to Knocknaheeny, never on the way to down for some reason).

But regularly they'd skip the Road entirely when there were reports of stones being thrown, often for 2 week spells.
In the summer those kids would run down to the road it would take instead and throw the stones there meaning the bus would terminate about 2 miles from it's normal stop for a few days every now and then. Absolute disaster when you were waiting for a bus in town only for someone in a car to pull over and tell you the buses have stopped.

Says a lot about the good folk in the area you'd often have strangers offering you lifts when this happened. The good/bad of any area I guess.

Ice Maiden · 26-02-2016 01:10PM

Speedwell wrote: »

"... more excusable to see..." See. Perceive.

Other antisocial behavior I don't get: Compassionless curtain-twitching whinging about "undesirables". Whether you choose to use that word, or only to imply it.

This just deflects responsibility from people who think they are entitled to act crap to others. It is because of a difficult upbringing/home environment no doubt but it does nobody any good to reduce personal agency. People being horrible nightmares are people being horrible nightmares, particularly when others have to be their neighbours and live in fear of them.
I have compassion for people who had difficult upbringings/grew up at a disadvantage, have reduced opportunity - especially when they also have to live in fear of thugs. I find it perplexing when the snobbery card is played in relation to actual behaviour, which most people that grew up at a disadvantage do not resort to.

Anyway, spitting - is this done to look cool or what? Utterly no purpose to it whatsoever.

Richard Hillman · 26-02-2016 01:18PM

Modified loud exhausts

intheclouds · 26-02-2016 01:20PM

Those in government bankrupting the country then retiring on massive salaries.

McGrath5 · 26-02-2016 02:24PM

Some pleb spray painted their name on the shutter of my shop, I simply do not understand this.

Also, dumping, specifically up around the Dublin/Wicklow mountains.
I regularly go for cycles and drives up this area and it is such a beautiful and fantastic area to have so close to the city yet there is well known ethnic minority who seem to use it as their own personal dumping ground.

looksee · 26-02-2016 02:31PM

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Anyway, spitting - is this done to look cool or what? Utterly no purpose to it whatsoever.

Its imitating footballers, and unnecessary there too. If they would stop the whole silly business would eventually stop.

Alun · 26-02-2016 02:35PM

McGrath5 wrote: »

Also, dumping, specifically up around the Dublin/Wicklow mountains.

I do a lot of hillwalking up there too, and even a long, long way from any proper roads you see dumping. Not only general household waste, but garden waste, building waste (almost complete kitchens or bathrooms sometimes) and the most baffling, as has been mentioned before, electrical waste. In some cases, they would have to had lugged the stuff by hand well into the forest before dumping it.

OldNotWIse · 26-02-2016 02:37PM

Random acts of cruelty to animals

Certain areas in Dublin where incidents are very frequent - usually the same hot spots too. Horses tied up and disemboweled, puppies set on fire etc. There was an upsetting case a while ago where a staffie was tied up and spit roasted. Poor innocent creatures. What the actual fúck is wrong with these people?

Duggy747 · 26-02-2016 02:40PM

Ah, the days of payphones when scummers would hock a big slimy piece of phlegm on the earpiece.

Simpler times...

Trees Lounge · 26-02-2016 02:44PM

Graffiti. What's the point? It's not 'urban art' it's ****.

Trees Lounge · 26-02-2016 02:46PM

Speedwell wrote: »

This thread is in danger of turning into a "oh, those slum-dwelling hoodlums" thread. People, it is more excusable to see people who don't know better or who are just trying to survive engage in antisocial behavior. It is far less excusable, and more baffling, to see people who are comfortable and safe engaging in antisocial behavior. Things like reasonless workplace sabotage (as an IT worker I've seen people mess with systems for the merry hell of it), or the banks screwing their customers out of the last drop of blood, or engineers falsifying test results. That's what really upsets and confuses me.

What a sheltered and privileged life you must lead if you're more worried about unethical IT workers and engineers than scumbags.

Stojkovic · 26-02-2016 02:46PM

arayess wrote: »

only if you buying a new one.

I cleared out the house before and the fingal recycle centre charged me a decent sum to take my stuff.
My point was to pithy too be honest.apologies.
get rid of waste costs.
some people are scabby bastards and would dump to avoid that.
I hate it too . not condoning it.

SDCC is free.

Like you I cleared a house - 3 tvs, phones, chargers, irons etc etc

All free with SDCC !!!

OldNotWIse · 26-02-2016 02:47PM

McGrath5 wrote: »

Some pleb spray painted their name on the shutter of my shop, I simply do not understand this.

Also, dumping, specifically up around the Dublin/Wicklow mountains.
I regularly go for cycles and drives up this area and it is such a beautiful and fantastic area to have so close to the city yet there is well known ethnic minority who seem to use it as their own personal dumping ground.

I live there and it's every other day. I have a suspicion there are a few landlords that are repeat offenders. If I ever catch one in the act I will not be responsible for what I'll do.

spurious · 26-02-2016 02:53PM

I can understand the 'kick' that can be got from leaving your name (a la wild animal scent) around the city, or smashing things that smash satisfactorily, but gathering with your mates on a corner, cupping your genitals and roaring randomly at strangers, or at no one in particular I don't get.

Do they think civilians think 'oh they are some hard lads', or 'I'm glad to see they've taken time from their graduate studies to socialise'? Do they even realise 'why should I work hard to give 'free' money to these lazy pieces of ****' can figure in some people's thoughts?

razorblunt · 26-02-2016 04:05PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Random acts of cruelty to animals Certain areas in Dublin where incidents are very frequent - usually the same hot spots too. Horses tied up and disemboweled, puppies set on fire etc. There was an upsetting case a while ago where a staffie was tied up and spit roasted. Poor innocent creatures. What the actual fúck is wrong with these people?

Lack of facilities. You see they don't have the green area, football pitches, youth clubs, waterslide parks, sweeping views of the Serengeti and formula 1 racetrack that would take their mind off things like this.

Also they're scum.

Rothko · 26-02-2016 04:19PM

spurious wrote: »

I can understand the 'kick' that can be got from leaving your name (a la wild animal scent) around the city, or smashing things that smash satisfactorily, but gathering with your mates on a corner, cupping your genitals and roaring randomly at strangers, or at no one in particular I don't get.

Do they think civilians think 'oh they are some hard lads', or 'I'm glad to see they've taken time from their graduate studies to socialise'? Do they even realise 'why should I work hard to give 'free' money to these lazy pieces of ****' can figure in some people's thoughts?

I doubt it since nothing goes on in their heads at all.

gimmick · 26-02-2016 04:21PM

The wearing of Celtic shirts. Its just vile obnoxiousness and an assault on the sense.

LeeLooLee · 26-02-2016 04:25PM

Speedwell wrote: »

This thread is in danger of turning into a "oh, those slum-dwelling hoodlums" thread. People, it is more excusable to see people who don't know better or who are just trying to survive engage in antisocial behavior. It is far less excusable, and more baffling, to see people who are comfortable and safe engaging in antisocial behavior. Things like reasonless workplace sabotage (as an IT worker I've seen people mess with systems for the merry hell of it), or the banks screwing their customers out of the last drop of blood, or engineers falsifying test results. That's what really upsets and confuses me.

Oh, come off it. People 'living in slums' and 'trying to survive' in Ireland? Those people live in flats with heating, TVs, Sky, internet, get primary and secondary education for free and a huge amount of help to afford college if they want to go. They act like scummy knackbags because everyone, including the Gardai, is too afraid of them and puts up with their anti-social behaviour. I've lived in countries where people are truly in poverty, living in real slums (corrugated iron shacks with no running water) and they didn't assault people for the hell of it. I'm always ashamed to bring foreign friends to visit me in Ireland because I don't know how to explain why there's so much crime and anti-social behaviour in such a wealthy country with so many opportunities.

JohnCleary · 26-02-2016 04:30PM

LeeLooLee wrote: »

Oh, come off it. People 'living in slums' and 'trying to survive' in Ireland? Those people live in flats with heating, TVs, Sky, internet, get primary and secondary education for free and a huge amount of help to afford college if they want to go. They act like scummy knackbags because everyone, including the Gardai, is too afraid of them and puts up with their anti-social behaviour. I've lived in countries where people are truly in poverty, living in real slums (corrugated iron shacks with no running water) and they didn't assault people for the hell of it. I'm always ashamed to bring foreign friends to visit me in Ireland because I don't know how to explain why there's so much crime and anti-social behaviour in such a wealthy country with so many opportunities.

This.

I've spent some time in the Klong Toey slums in Bangkok. Rough as hell, but I felt safe (I was safe). These people have NOTHING but some rags, an iron shack and a big smile on their face (oh, and maybe a food cart, because if you don't work you don't survive... so they find some sort of work)

Fcuked if you think i'd walk through some estates in Dublin.

I, too, would be ashamed to bring some of these people living in slums in Bangkok to the places you mention... their mind would explode.

DrumSteve · 26-02-2016 05:14PM

LeeLooLee wrote: »

Oh, come off it. People 'living in slums' and 'trying to survive' in Ireland? Those people live in flats with heating, TVs, Sky, internet, get primary and secondary education for free and a huge amount of help to afford college if they want to go. They act like scummy knackbags because everyone, including the Gardai, is too afraid of them and puts up with their anti-social behaviour. I've lived in countries where people are truly in poverty, living in real slums (corrugated iron shacks with no running water) and they didn't assault people for the hell of it. I'm always ashamed to bring foreign friends to visit me in Ireland because I don't know how to explain why there's so much crime and anti-social behaviour in such a wealthy country with so many opportunities.

You're ashamed to bring your friends to one of the safest and best places on Earth because you have to explain some social issues to them (which Im sure never happen wherever they are from)?

Somewhere a shark has been jumped.

esforum · 26-02-2016 05:28PM

I going to settle this very suimple, lack of responsibility for your own actions.

The OP said he / she travelled abroad, in those countries what happens when people commit anti-social behaviour like assault? What happens to a junkies / blind drunk fool acting the maggot? What happens to people that commit criminal damage and dump on the street?

Assault and criminal damage are crimes and they are given genuine punishments. If they work / on the dole the financial costs are taken at source. If it merits a sentence they actually get one and they DONT get welfare while in prison.

If they are blind drunk / off their heads in the middle of the road, they are ****ed into a cell and the fines kick in. they arent carted to hospital and 'treated for their illness'.

People that consistantly **** up the neighbourhood and dump / piss off their neughbours get evicted and DONT GET A NEW HOUSE!

People who neglect their kids lose the kids and the kids are cared for in loving homes (Yes I know foster / adoption families can commit crimes but less so).

Personal responsibility and personal loss without constant state replacement works wonders on people manners.

Who has the worst anti social behaviour problems? Us and UK. Who gives unlimited welfare and housing? Us and the UK.

LeeLooLee wrote: »

including the Gardai, is too afraid of them and

Rubbish, Gardai very much enjoy tackling this mindless behaviour. Gardai live in the same areas and experience the same **** that you do as does the family of Gardai. You think I 'tolerate' this behaviour towards my fmaily because I am afraid of the 16 year old little prick doing it? If society allowed it I would bury the little prick where he stood but alas that would only result in papers and society crying foul. Mr Scumbag getting a wad of cash, I being sent to jail and my family losing the one income into the home.

In regards Graffiti, I think its an awful shame in many cases. Some graffiti artists have absolutely huge talent and potential but decide to piss it away. There was a graffiti tournament in Wolf tone park, Dublin 1 about 8 /9 years ago. Some of the stuff that was displayed was amazing. I saw a guy do a brilliant portrait of a girl, there and then using only spray paint.

26-02-2016 05:32PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Graffiti makes little to no sense, I am not talking about some image just the random tagging and scrawls over things. It actually isn't evn that bad here compared to other countries. Etching on glass is completely pointless and ugly. What great thrill are these sad people getting?
Anybody understand this or do stuff like this that they can explain?

I get what your saying, I love some of the graffiti that is done by what I would deem as "artists", I still don't essentially agree that they should feel free to put it wherever they like but some of the greatest works of art are arguably graffiti.

I don't get why people write on bathroom doors? Or why they put their nickname on a wall somewhere.

We recently had new road signs put up around here and some IDIOT with obviously too much spare time went out covering over the writing, clearly didn't have a job to go to.............

I also can't stand it when people destroy toilets with toilet paper .. why?

R.D. aka MR.D · 26-02-2016 05:35PM

Boy/Girl racers with their big loud revving. Or people on loud motorbikes. It's screaming 'look at me!'. Are we supposed to think 'oh how cool, their mode of transport makes a big loud noise'.

Littering of any kind.

I'll probably get crucified but: people letting their kids run amuck. Running through places where they can easily get hurt so putting the onus on you to make sure they are alright. Or just in places that are already annoying enough like the supermarket.

Or letting them cry in places that they could easily remove them from for a brief period. It's an extremely grating sound and while it can't be avoided in many places, I sometimes feel like the old fashioned system of 'taking them out for a minute' has been replaced by 'I don't find it annoying so nobody else will, I'll just carry on while baby roars their head off.'

Basically any avoidable noise annoys the hell out me.

maudgonner · 26-02-2016 05:41PM

Able-bodied people parking in disabled spaces.

Fúck off and use a space slightly further from the door you lazy idiot.

Also blatantly abandoning a car on double yellow lines, sticking on the hazards and saying "sure I'll only be a minute" while traffic backs up behind you.

lawred2 · 26-02-2016 05:45PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Scumbag inner city types blaring love songs and chipmunk music off their Nokias on the bus.

kill me now

lawred2 · 26-02-2016 05:47PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Random acts of cruelty to animals Certain areas in Dublin where incidents are very frequent - usually the same hot spots too. Horses tied up and disemboweled, puppies set on fire etc. There was an upsetting case a while ago where a staffie was tied up and spit roasted. Poor innocent creatures. What the actual fúck is wrong with these people?

it was what?

jesus christ

lawred2 · 26-02-2016 05:48PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Able-bodied people parking in disabled spaces.

Fúck off and use a space slightly further from the door you lazy idiot.

Also blatantly abandoning a car on double yellow lines, sticking on the hazards and saying "sure I'll only be a minute" while traffic backs up behind you.

first world problems

ignorant for sure but hardly the worst on this thread

lawred2 · 26-02-2016 05:51PM

R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »

Boy/Girl racers with their big loud revving. Or people on loud motorbikes. It's screaming 'look at me!'. Are we supposed to think 'oh how cool, their mode of transport makes a big loud noise'.

Littering of any kind.

I'll probably get crucified but: people letting their kids run amuck. Running through places where they can easily get hurt so putting the onus on you to make sure they are alright. Or just in places that are already annoying enough like the supermarket.

Or letting them cry in places that they could easily remove them from for a brief period. It's an extremely grating sound and while it can't be avoided in many places, I sometimes feel like the old fashioned system of 'taking them out for a minute' has been replaced by 'I don't find it annoying so nobody else will, I'll just carry on while baby roars their head off.'

Basically any avoidable noise annoys the hell out me.

You're not a parent... your time might come. It might not.

I used to think like that.

I do not anymore. We have a two and a half year old and no amount of pleading, cajoling or discipline will keep him in line..

As a result - we now don't go out because we know there are those out there that just don't have a clue but have no issue letting us know all about it.

Anti-social behaviour that you just don't get

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