Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

finglashoop

Mellor wrote: »

It isn't on paper that Conor lost to Diaz twice either. Let's wait and see.
The fact that this is at 170 and not 155 protects Conor record at 155, his future gone. That ms the point I was making above.


It was on points, but I was also 50-45.

Yeah but wasnt that at the time dj wasnt training full time?

Its one id like to see anyway.

Mellor

finglashoop wrote: »

Yeah but wasnt that at the time dj wasnt training full time?

Its one id like to see anyway.

I think it was actually his first full time fight.

Dont get me wrong, I want to see it too. Im all for champs moving up. Especially when it doesn't interfere with his run at Silva's title defended record.

Paully D

I'm reading John Kavanagh's book at the moment and Conor's first interview on The MMA Hour gets brought up. It's pretty cool looking back at it, but man it feels so much longer than just 3 years ago!

https://youtu.be/XqGobQu3M6E

newbbieb

Paully D wrote: »

I'm reading John Kavanagh's book at the moment and Conor's first interview on The MMA Hour gets brought up. It's pretty cool looking back at it, but man it feels so much longer than just 3 years ago!

https://youtu.be/XqGobQu3M6E

Won't be reading the book myself but his recent comments about Conor looking equity in the UFC or it was probably quotes lifted from the book,either way its gonna look silly when Conor loses,and i hope he doesn't but i think its about as close to a lock that he loses that you can get in this game.

martyos121

newbbieb wrote: »

Won't be reading the book myself but his recent comments about Conor looking equity in the UFC or it was probably quotes lifted from the book,either way its gonna look silly when Conor loses,and i hope he doesn't but i think its about as close to a lock that he loses that you can get in this game.

Eh no, very far from it. CM Punk is as close to a lock that he loses as you get in this game, Wilson Reis likewise, to say Conor is a near certainty to lose is absolutely absurd. Diaz didn't run through him in 60 seconds as some people seem to wrongly think he did based on what you'd read about the fight. It's going to be very competitive and I'd give Diaz the edge, but to say Conor losing is nearly locked on is just ludicrous to be honest with you.

newbbieb

newbbieb wrote: »

Won't be reading the book myself but his recent comments about Conor looking equity in the UFC or it was probably quotes lifted from the book,either way its gonna look silly when Conor loses,and i hope he doesn't but i think its about as close to a lock that he loses that you can get in this game.

You are surely trolling?

A lot of people thought Rockhold was a 'lock' to beat Bisping also and I thought that was bs. This upcoming match is a fight between two brilliant fighters, while there is a good chance nate can win the same also could be said for Conor. This should be a good fight and Conor has a good chance at winning for sure, in saying that I would think Nate is favourite to get the job done.

Mellor

newbbieb wrote: »

but i think its about as close to a lock that he loses that you can get in this game.

Lol, you are joking right?

I don't know how you could think of you seen more than a handful of fights. He's trading st evens, if you are sure it's a lock then I'm sure you'll have the mortgage on it.

ASOT

Time and time again lads were shown there's not a lock in this sport, and its absolutely wonderful.

newbbieb

Mellor wrote: »

Lol, you are joking right?

I don't know how you could think of you seen more than a handful of fights. He's trading st evens, if you are sure it's a lock then I'm sure you'll have the mortgage on it.

You guys might not believe me but i will be rooting for Conor big time i am as big a fan as anyone,but i am also a realist and if you click back a lot of pages i am pretty sure i called it the first time and got kinda similiar responses as above,Nate has no chance etc etc.

Look at the end of the day we will see and i will come in here and admit i was wrong and i really i hope i get to do that,but from my knowledge of watching this sport a pretty long time,and i do be right sometimes,i believe all things being equal Conor is a superior fighter than Nate no doubt in my mind,but he is not so much better that he can defy physics and the laws of a nature.

Plenty of times we seen a bigger guy get felled by a smaller guy but usually they have edges in certain areas,the only one area Conor has a slight edge is speed,but Conor isn't an especially fast guy either.Nate will be far too big and too well rounded to be taken out by a smaller guy.Josh Thomson people will say but that was at 55 where i believe Conor had a real shot at beating him but not at 170,i believe Bisping had a better shot,given there were closer in weight.

I wouldn't bet against him not a chance,i mean like if the odds were close to last time i might be tempted but i am not gonna go against what i want to happen which is a Conor win,but last time out Nate was 4/1 and i struggled coz i kinda had a feeling for Nate but if i couldn't take 4/1 i definitely am not gonna back at evens.

Gamebred

Wish I could find the closest thing to a lock at even money because It would be paying for a trip to vegas to see it.

newbbieb

Gamebred wrote: »

Wish I could find the closest thing to a lock at even money because It would be paying for a trip to vegas to see it.

Italy to beat Germany saturday 11/4 get on it, thats a lock for you haha,i lumped on Italy at 18/1 a few days before the spain game a couple grand coming my way when Italy lift that cup.

martyos121

newbbieb wrote: »

You guys might not believe me but i will be rooting for Conor big time i am as big a fan as anyone,but i am also a realist and if you click back a lot of pages i am pretty sure i called it the first time and got kinda similiar responses as above,Nate has no chance etc etc.

Look at the end of the day we will see and i will come in here and admit i was wrong and i really i hope i get to do that,but from my knowledge of watching this sport a pretty long time,and i do be right sometimes,i believe all things being equal Conor is a superior fighter than Nate no doubt in my mind,but he is not so much better that he can defy physics and the laws of a nature.

Plenty of times we seen a bigger guy get felled by a smaller guy but usually they have edges in certain areas,the only one area Conor has a slight edge is speed,but Conor isn't an especially fast guy either.Nate will be far too big and too well rounded to be taken out by a smaller guy.Josh Thomson people will say but that was at 55 where i believe Conor had a real shot at beating him but not at 170,i believe Bisping had a better shot,given there were closer in weight.

I wouldn't bet against him not a chance,i mean like if the odds were close to last time i might be tempted but i am not gonna go against what i want to happen which is a Conor win,but last time out Nate was 4/1 and i struggled coz i kinda had a feeling for Nate but if i couldn't take 4/1 i definitely am not gonna back at evens.

Jesus that's some backtracking!

newbbieb

martyos121 wrote: »

Jesus that's some backtracking!

How is it backtracking?I didn't backtrack at all.

martyos121

newbbieb wrote: »

How is it backtracking?I didn't backtrack at all.

You went from "Conor losing is nearly a lock" to "I want Conor to win and think he's the better fighter, but he's not as big as Diaz so I don't think he'll do it".

It's backtracking. If you thought he was so certain to lose, you'd put the life savings on it despite what your heart tells you.

Mellor

newbbieb wrote: »

You guys might not believe me but i will be rooting for Conor big time i am as big a fan as anyone,but i am also a realist and if you click back a lot of pages i am pretty sure i called it the first time and got kinda similiar responses as above,Nate has no chance etc etc.

Look at the end of the day we will see and i will come in here and admit i was wrong and i really i hope i get to do that,but from my knowledge of watching this sport a pretty long time,and i do be right sometimes,i believe all things being equal Conor is a superior fighter than Nate no doubt in my mind,but he is not so much better that he can defy physics and the laws of a nature.

Plenty of times we seen a bigger guy get felled by a smaller guy but usually they have edges in certain areas,the only one area Conor has a slight edge is speed,but Conor isn't an especially fast guy either.Nate will be far too big and too well rounded to be taken out by a smaller guy.Josh Thomson people will say but that was at 55 where i believe Conor had a real shot at beating him but not at 170,i believe Bisping had a better shot,given there were closer in weight.

I wouldn't bet against him not a chance,i mean like if the odds were close to last time i might be tempted but i am not gonna go against what i want to happen which is a Conor win,but last time out Nate was 4/1 and i struggled coz i kinda had a feeling for Nate but if i couldn't take 4/1 i definitely am not gonna back at evens.

It's perfectly fine to think Nate will win. He'll be the favourite at the off imo. But calling it the biggest lock ever is massive hyperbole.

Rousey v Beth Corriea, Chad Mendes v Yeza, Might Mouse v Cariaso
They were all massive locks. Odds around 1/16 for them all. There's no way Nate is at that level. He's have to be a 1/20 shot (>95%). It he actually is that solid to win, or if you believed he was, you should take the hand off the bookie at evens

newbbieb

martyos121 wrote: »

You went from "Conor losing is nearly a lock" to "I want Conor to win and think he's the better fighter, but he's not as big as Diaz so I don't think he'll do it".

It's backtracking. If you thought he was so certain to lose, you'd put the life savings on it despite what your heart tells you.

I said he is as near to a lock as you get in this game,that is not a lock as nothing is a lock in mma but there is a very strong possibility of him losing this fight when its at 170.Doesn't mean its gonna happen as we know its a crazy sport but as much as a lock is what i said.

Also when i said i believe it will happen i never said i wasn't a fan i mean i can be a Conor fan and be a realist too and see when he is taking on too much.I can want him to win while believing he won't win,i can believe he is the better fighter but just believe he is fighting some who will just be too big and heavy for him.

newbbieb

Mellor wrote: »

It's perfectly fine to think Nate will win. He'll be the favourite at the off imo. But calling it the biggest lock ever is massive hyperbole.

Rousey v Beth Corriea, Chad Mendes v Yeza, Might Mouse v Cariaso
They were all massive locks. Odds around 1/16 for them all. There's no way Nate is at that level. He's have to be a 1/20 shot (>95%). It he actually is that solid to win, or if you believed he was, you should take the hand off the bookie at evens

Right so i accept the ones like Khabib last time out for example and the likes are the biggest locks you get in this game,but in terms of a competitive fight main event etc. where most have it even i think its not that close at all.

I believe people might actually be shocked how little Conor has for him this time around at 170.Nate is a very big guy i mean if you watch some of the last fight his fists are almost the size of Conors head and this time around he will be bigger and stronger.

I can't see any path to victory for Conor because even if he fights out of his skin for a couple rounds he will eventually get caught,he already knows how to beat Conor so even the fight is going terrible for Nate,he will be ready for 5 rounds and i don't see how he is gonna avoid Nate for 5 rounds.

Mellor

newbbieb wrote: »

Right so i accept the ones like Khabib last time out for example and the likes are the biggest locks you get in this game,but in terms of a competitive fight main event etc. where most have it even i think its not that close at all.

Two of the fights I mentioned were main events and title shots.

From 0-100%, where would you put Conor's (or Diaz's) chance of winning. Easiest way to quantity where anyone stands.

I can't see any path to victory for Conor because even if he fights out of his skin for a couple rounds he will eventually get caught,he already knows how to beat Conor so even the fight is going terrible for Nate,he will be ready for 5 rounds and i don't see how he is gonna avoid Nate for 5 rounds.

Spam obliques kicks and low kicks, no lazy kicks, stop loading up punches, and still more leg kicks.

yourdeadwright

Conor will lose, Diaz is a better fighter at the weight simple,
He can't knock him out, he can't submit him and he has no chance on points ,
He gassed after a round and a half and had a full camp, Diaz had two weeks notice,
Does anyone seriously think he will be able to match Diaz cardio this time ? if so you need your head checked,
Diaz never spared for the first fight so his timing was off this time he will be so much better prepared,
It won't be close ,

People claiming but Bisping beat Rockhold , Bisping was doing quite well in the first fight until they clashed heads that was the turning point people seem to over look it, Its something Bisping couldn't control

Tigger

Mellor wrote: »

Spam obliques kicks and low kicks, no lazy kicks, stop loading up punches, and still more leg kicks.

still shocked that this isn't what he did first time. i looked that it was beief that he can just knock people out at will that did it

darced

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califano

'overloading on punches' is the new buzz phrase.

raze_them_all_

just waiting for "I shouldn't of blocked Diaz's punches with my face"

newbbieb

Mellor wrote: »

Two of the fights I mentioned were main events and title shots.

From 0-100%, where would you put Conor's (or Diaz's) chance of winning. Easiest way to quantity where anyone stands.


Spam obliques kicks and low kicks, no lazy kicks, stop loading up punches, and still more leg kicks.

I would like to give him 10% purely because i really want him to win and it would be something special to watch Conor shut everyone up who call him a fraud with no ground game etc. all the silly things that get thrown at him which are aren't close to true,also purely from a sporting angle if he wins this fight its probably gonna take one of the single greatest performances that has been seen in the octagon imo. so it would be amazing if he pulls it off.

But in reality it won't happen there is just no avenue to win,he caught Nate with his best punches and while he cut him up and Nate definitely felt them punches,they weren't wobbling him and i seen it too many times where the smaller guy can't hurt the bigger guy enough,and no matter how much more talented he might be Nate only needs one punch and Conor will be doing the chicken dance.

About the kicks i would agree with what Darced just said,i don't think he has the Muay Thai in his arsenal that would be needed and that has worked for people against Nate before,most of Conors kicks are just setting up the left hand he doesn't have great Muay Thai.

Depp

newbbieb wrote: »

I would like to give him 10% purely because i really want him to win and it would be something special to watch Conor shut everyone up who call him a fraud with no ground game etc. all the silly things that get thrown at him which are aren't close to true,also purely from a sporting angle if he wins this fight its probably gonna take one of the single greatest performances that has been seen in the octagon imo. so it would be amazing if he pulls it off.

But in reality it won't happen there is just no avenue to win,he caught Nate with his best punches and while he cut him up and Nate definitely felt them punches,they weren't wobbling him and i seen it too many times where the smaller guy can't hurt the bigger guy enough,and no matter how much more talented he might be Nate only needs one punch and Conor will be doing the chicken dance.

About the kicks i would agree with what Darced just said,i don't think he has the Muay Thai in his arsenal that would be needed and that has worked for people against Nate before,most of Conors kicks are just setting up the left hand he doesn't have great Muay Thai.

mcgregor has no kicking game now? youre as bad as the lads who hop on sherdog and say dillon danis wont help because he does brazillian jiu jitsu and nate does gracie jiu jitsu!

WarZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL9CPf3Q7oQ

The waffler at work.

newbbieb

Depp wrote: »

mcgregor has no kicking game now? youre as bad as the lads who hop on sherdog and say dillon danis wont help because he does brazillian jiu jitsu and nate does gracie jiu jitsu!

Your being overly sensitive man,i honestly thought it was pretty widely accepted at this point that Conors Muay Thai wasn't anything to write home about.

I seen an interview from Saenchai and he seems a fair and honest guy he was one of the first ones to give Conor a bit of support after his loss,but he basically was saying his Kicking game wasnt great and while i do like to form my own opinions on most things hearing that from a Muay Thai legend like that should at least give you pause for thought.

darced

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JJayoo

WarZ wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL9CPf3Q7oQ

The waffler at work.

What exactly is your problem with this? Have you never done mobility work? Ido is basically mobility drills before McG goes into his actual training session.

WarZ

JJayoo wrote: »

What exactly is your problem with this? Have you never done mobility work? Ido is basically mobility drills before McG goes into his actual training session.

Are you actually defending that creep? He also tells Conor and Gunnar how to get more power in their punches from a certain stance. He's a con artist and I am not surprised you have been fooled into believing in him.