Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

newbbieb

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Nate and conor would both weigh the same for a 155lb fight that they did at 170. They had a 155lb fight without cutting weight, why do people still consider their last fight a 170.

I thought at this point most people have accepted that having either fight at 170 makes a difference,you are just parroting Joe Rogans line but saying it doesn't make it true.

Conor was outweighed last time in the cage and this time it will be worse make no mistake about it.Conor stepped on the scale at 168 after eating all around him,if you think Nate walks around 170 even when he was fighting at 55 you would be mistaken.

He makes massive cuts and looks almost as bad as Conor on the scale at 55 has missed weight before often talks about how tough the cut is to 55.So if he was the same size as Conor which seems to be around 170 then he would be cutting only 15 pounds to make 55 which is blatantly obvious by weigh in footage plus missing weight plus complaints of the cut that he cuts more than 15 to make 55 which would be an easy cut.

Mellor

newbbieb wrote: »

if you think Nate walks around 170 even when he was fighting at 55 you would be mistaken.

He makes massive cuts and looks almost as bad as Conor on the scale at 55 has missed weight before often talks about how tough the cut is to 55.So if he was the same size as Conor which seems to be around 170 then he would be cutting only 15 pounds to make 55 which is blatantly obvious by weigh in footage plus missing weight plus complaints of the cut that he cuts more than 15 to make 55 which would be an easy cut.

Who mentioned anything about Nate walking around at 170?
He clearly wasn't the same size as Conor.
All stuff about a hard cut to 155 backs up his point. Not the other way around.

How big do you think Nate was in the cage, for the short notice WW fight?
How big do you think he would be in the cage, if he made one of his gruelling cuts to 155.

raze_them_all_

newbbieb wrote: »

I thought at this point most people have accepted that having either fight at 170 makes a difference,you are just parroting Joe Rogans line but saying it doesn't make it true.

Conor was outweighed last time in the cage and this time it will be worse make no mistake about it.Conor stepped on the scale at 168 after eating all around him,if you think Nate walks around 170 even when he was fighting at 55 you would be mistaken.

He makes massive cuts and looks almost as bad as Conor on the scale at 55 has missed weight before often talks about how tough the cut is to 55.So if he was the same size as Conor which seems to be around 170 then he would be cutting only 15 pounds to make 55 which is blatantly obvious by weigh in footage plus missing weight plus complaints of the cut that he cuts more than 15 to make 55 which would be an easy cut.

I am not parroting anyone.

I didn't say they weighed the same, I said they had a 155lb fight without a weight cut.

Ush1

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I am not parroting anyone.

I didn't say they weighed the same, I said they had a 155lb fight without a weight cut.

What's the point of that statement though? Because most people would agree that the lack of a weight cut favoured Diaz.

Subcomandante Marcos

The funny thing is they both cut weight to make 170. Conor was 177 the Monday before the fight according to his nutritionist

He weighed in at 168 two days before the fight but he was well over 170 in the cage.

newbbieb

If Dominic Cruz who makes a big cut from around 160 to 135 fought Conor at 155 its pretty much this scenario,in this scenario would we say its just a FW fight being fought at LW without the cut or would we all realise Conor would be at a pretty big advantage in this whether short notice or not.

ardinn

newbbieb wrote: »

If Dominic Cruz who makes a big cut from around 160 to 135 fought Conor at 155 its pretty much this scenario,in this scenario would we say its just a FW fight being fought at LW without the cut or would we all realise Conor would be at a pretty big advantage in this whether short notice or not.

Now I want to see conor v cruz at 155!!!

Depp

Whats conor at watching the football, no focus should be in the gym

Mellor

newbbieb wrote: »

If Dominic Cruz who makes a big cut from around 160 to 135 fought Conor at 155 its pretty much this scenario,in this scenario would we say its just a FW fight being fought at LW without the cut or would we all realise Conor would be at a pretty big advantage in this whether short notice or not.

Yes Conor would have a big size advantage over Cruz at 155.
He'd also have the same size advantage over him at 145.
That was the point.

Making to cut to 155 doesn't sudden negate Diaz's size advantage. In the cage, the difference would be similar to the "WW" fight at 196.
Conor was a small LW at 196. Diaz was a big LW.
Weighing in at WW didn't change that. THe same way Cruz wouldn't become a LW at 155.

I remember seeing somewhere, on the night McGregor weighing 170+ maybe 173 and diaz about 191lbs, which I'd say is right.

He may look gangly but he's tall. I said it loads of times, big difference between a 190 pounder swinging to take your head off than say a 170 pounder in sparring, or even 180 pounder. If you look at McGregor in the open workouts before that fight, he hits the pads with venom and then gestures to the crowd as if every punch is a knockout.

I feel maybe all the champagne and whatever else, along with dethroning aldo with a punching pattern we actually watched him do backstage, fueled his ego and that of the the YES men around him (IDO and the likes)

I believe if McGregor uses those switch kicks followed by sharp punches, he'll overwhelm diaz in most areas, same way he did with Holloway. He destroyed siver with them but I cannot go on that really because he's so short anything like that would have beaten him. get back to kicking, choosing the shots and I believe he can keep it on the feet and win by stoppage.

Subcomandante Marcos

rusty cole wrote: »

I remember seeing somewhere, on the night McGregor weighing 170+ maybe 173 and diaz about 191lbs, which I'd say is right.

He may look gangly but he's tall. I said it loads of times, big difference between a 190 pounder swinging to take your head off than say a 170 pounder in sparring, or even 180 pounder. If you look at McGregor in the open workouts before that fight, he hits the pads with venom and then gestures to the crowd as if every punch is a knockout.

I feel maybe all the champagne and whatever else, along with dethroning aldo with a punching pattern we actually watched him do backstage, fueled his ego and that of the the YES men around him (IDO and the likes)

I believe if McGregor uses those switch kicks followed by sharp punches, he'll overwhelm diaz in most areas, same way he did with Holloway. He destroyed siver with them but I cannot go on that really because he's so short anything like that would have beaten him. get back to kicking, choosing the shots and I believe he can keep it on the feet and win by stoppage.

Nate was nowhere near 191 in the cage. He was in the 170s.

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Nate was nowhere near 191 in the cage. He was in the 170s.

not being a troll here but is that a fact?

id be very surprised especially considering his height. I recall more than one pundit mentioning McGregor struggling to get a guy about 180+ pounds off you
whilst being ground and pounded. that figure was thrown about a lot.

not saying your wrong but id say at least 180+.
what did he weigh in at can anyone remember?

Mellor

rusty cole wrote: »

not being a troll here but is that a fact?

id be very surprised especially considering his height. I recall more than one pundit mentioning McGregor struggling to get a guy about 180+ pounds off you
whilst being ground and pounded. that figure was thrown about a lot.

not saying your wrong but id say at least 180+.
what did he weigh in at can anyone remember?

There was a lot of figures thrown about.
For example Conor was supposedly 177 a week out. But then apparently he was eating what he liked and didn't need to cut weight.
It's one or the other as he weighed in at 168.

Likewise with Diaz. At one point he was a fat ass coming off a boat in Cabo, then the story was apparently that he had been training for a triathlon.
The was some misleading info put out on purpose. Who knows what the truth was. The only weights we know are the weigh-in photos/video. Maybe compare them to pre fight photos.

Mellor

:eek:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BG6XvnposvJ/

Myrddin

Precision beats power... :P Joking aside, Nate is looking like a monster there.

Ush1

That's a big boy Conor will be up against.

Mellor

Ush1 wrote: »

That's a big boy Conor will be up against.

Yup, a LW on 10 days notice is still a LW.
But give him 5 months and...

Call Me Jimmy

he'll kick your ass?

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

:eek:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BG6XvnposvJ/

steroids!!! ha ha ha ha.

it would be fun for McGregor to throw that one back now, for the laugh.

in fairness though he's pumped up looking guy there, just off the dipping bar!
cold he may look his usual self.

Myrddin

I know Nate's cardio is normally bullet proof, but is there any chance this extra size might work against him in terms of speed & stamina?

darced

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Myrddin

darced wrote: »

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Doesn't bode well for the notorious so...

Ush1

Mellor wrote: »

Yup, a LW on 10 days notice is still a LW.
But give him 5 months and...

He was big 5 months ago, even bigger now.

John Kavanagh has said Conor will be lighter this time also, is there odds out yet for this rematch?

maximoose

Bet365 have it:

Conor McGregor 8/11
Nate Diaz 11/10

HA! Went onto oddschecker to see if prices were listed there and saw this monstrosity

JustTheOne

I can't see this fight ending well for conor.

raze_them_all_

Myrddin wrote: »

I know Nate's cardio is normally bullet proof, but is there any chance this extra size might work against him in terms of speed & stamina?

Anyone who does triathalons for the craic of it will be fine in cardio

Tigger

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Anyone who does triathalons for the craic of it will be fine in cardio

thats the thing whats Conors angle ? is it loads of oblique kicks and punches for points?
i can see that working for 3 but 5?

you want to be great at riding a bike, then ride a bike, same for swimming, same for running. it might keep you fit but there's a difference between being a fit triathlete and being fighting fit, this holds no water for me. it's a good base but no great edge to use as a magic bullet.

taking punches and holding your hands up alone saps the life out of you.
your body is moving in a completely different way. sure if it gave him an edge wouldn't all the fighters be on bikes. Ali and sugar ray did road work but if you want to do well, practice to fight, hone your technique, pace under pressure timing etc, it's more important than anything.

example, how does all the triathlons in the world help him if he's knocked out with a precise shot like Jose aldo?? he needs to stick with his good boxing and that jab, I mean Nate now.

Mellor

rusty cole wrote: »

you want to be great at riding a bike, then ride a bike, same for swimming, same for running. it might keep you fit but there's a difference between being a fit triathlete and being fighting fit, this holds no water for me. it's a good base but no great edge to use as a magic bullet.

taking punches and holding your hands up alone saps the life out of you.
your body is moving in a completely different way. sure if it gave him an edge wouldn't all the fighters be on bikes. Ali and sugar ray did road work but if you want to do well, practice to fight, hone your technique, pace under pressure timing etc, it's more important than anything.

example, how does all the triathlons in the world help him if he's knocked out with a precise shot like Jose aldo?? he needs to stick with his good boxing and that jab, I mean Nate now.

That would be fine is Nate was a 2nd rate fighter dedicating too much time to cardio.
But in reality he's a top class jiu jitsu who's spent years throwing volume punches.

I fully agree that fighting is not running. But it's also completely false to suggest that are not related either. You need to be able to perform technically and physically.

newbbieb

rusty cole wrote: »

you want to be great at riding a bike, then ride a bike, same for swimming, same for running. it might keep you fit but there's a difference between being a fit triathlete and being fighting fit, this holds no water for me. it's a good base but no great edge to use as a magic bullet.

taking punches and holding your hands up alone saps the life out of you.
your body is moving in a completely different way. sure if it gave him an edge wouldn't all the fighters be on bikes. Ali and sugar ray did road work but if you want to do well, practice to fight, hone your technique, pace under pressure timing etc, it's more important than anything.

example, how does all the triathlons in the world help him if he's knocked out with a precise shot like Jose aldo?? he needs to stick with his good boxing and that jab, I mean Nate now.

It isn't gonna make him have better technique or be able to take a punch better but its relevant,it speaks to his overall fitness as its more of a lifestyle for him and Nick than being in and out of camps like most fighters and guys like that have cardio for days.