Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

JohnMc1

froog wrote: »

yes but that's not the champion's clause.

Dana has publicly stated numerous times what the Champion's clause is. When a Champion retires the contract is frozen.

Mellor

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Dana has publicly stated numerous times what the Champion's clause is. When a Champion retires the contract is frozen.

That's not the champion's clause. It's a retirement clause that applies to all fighters regardless of holding a belt or not.

Otherwise, a dissident fighter could "retire", terminating the contract. Then stage a come back with Rizen, Belator or whoever.
For example, Randy Couture apparently still has a fight on his UFC contract, if he came back. He'd still be contracted.

JohnMc1

Mellor wrote: »

That's not the champion's clause. It's a retirement clause that applies to all fighters regardless of holding a belt or not.

Otherwise, a dissident fighter could "retire", terminating the contract. Then stage a come back with Rizen, Belator or whoever.
For example, Randy Couture apparently still has a fight on his UFC contract, if he came back. He'd still be contracted.

My mistake then. Thanks for the correction. The Champion's clause automatically extends the contract. Correct? Conor is still screwed one way or another if he thinks he can just walk out on his contract.

Mellor

yeah, the champion clause extends the contract, which also extends the application of the retirement clause. So the two are closely linked

The Rooster

GiftofGab wrote: »

McGregor is not fighting Mayweather. That s just ridiculous. Mayweather dislikes the sport of MMA and is not getting into MMA promoting. I guess Mayweather is going to fight again. He has more than hinted at it but stopped short of completely flat out saying he will fight. Like always he ll fight someone that he s guaranteed to win with little risk.

But are you not contradicting yourself?

Why wouldnt Mayweather fight if he was going to get $100m in a bout most people here think he would be absolutely guaranteed to win?
Mayweather would not be taking part in MMA!

The question is whether it would generate the astronomical revenues suggested in the articles? Would the regular boxing and MMA media deride it or support it. They'd certainly need to get someone like HBO on board to promote it.

Derision would be the initial reaction of most serious commentators of both sports, I'd guess. But there is that inkling of doubt that nobody actually knows how good a boxer McGregor is. He has power. What would happen if he did connect with the chin of Mayweather? A lot of people might pay over their PPV money for the chance, however small, of seeing that. And if McGregor got schooled/destroyed that might be worth seeing too!

As someone mentioned earlier, there has to be doubt as to whether the UFC Champions Clause and Retirment Clause would stand up in court. They very probably would not stand up in the EU courts - but not sure about US.

Completely different "sports", but previously the BDO made darts players sign contracts prior to their World Championship where it stated that anyone who made the semi-finals could not move to the rival PDC organisation for 12 months. Turned out it was completely unenforceable under UK restraint of trade laws, despite the players signing it.

But I think McGregor doing anything to end his UFC career is a long way off, especially not for the $7m figure quoted in the article.

hardCopy

At this point Conor needs to appoint somebody sensible to do his negotiating, trust their judgment and go with whatever they can agree with Zuffa.

Put the phone away, stop spouting nonsense and tell JK to do the same.

Forget boxing and WWE, get himself on a summer card and get his **** together before he p1sses it all away for thinking he's bigger than the sport.

the hype has died already if you ask me, people got jaded with it I think.
2 fights I'm mad to see, jones v rumble and lawlor V wonderboy! fook all the talk of hypelets make this happen.

in fact jones V rumble would have been the one for me at UFC 200.

JohnMc1

hardCopy wrote: »

At this point Conor needs to appoint somebody sensible to do his negotiating, trust their judgment and go with whatever they can agree with Zuffa.

Put the phone away, stop spouting nonsense and tell JK to do the same.

Forget boxing and WWE, get himself on a summer card and get his **** together before he p1sses it all away for thinking he's bigger than the sport.

Agreed. All this stuff with WWE and Boxing makes him look stupid or desperate. He should get on the phone on Dana and Lorenzo and work this out. Then get an actual manager/agent to handle his business affairs. Kavanagh should clearly only be training.

John_D80

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Agreed. All this stuff with WWE and Boxing makes him look stupid or desperate. He should get on the phone on Dana and Lorenzo and work this out. Then get an actual manager/agent to handle his business affairs. Kavanagh should clearly only be training.

Is there an implication here that John Kavanagh has some sort of input into McGregors business affairs? I think people are reading to much into John Kavanagh's social media activity.

As far as I am aware, Conor does have a manager. He owns his own management company I think with a solicitor friend of his who handles his affairs, or something along those lines

ScumLord

The Rooster wrote: »

Why wouldnt Mayweather fight if he was going to get $100m in a bout most people here think he would be absolutely guaranteed to win?
Mayweather would not be taking part in MMA!

It would be a farce of a fight and I'd say he doesn't want his stellar career to end on a farce. McGregor may be an excellent mixed martial artist but that's not going to translate to boxing. All his flare would just get him in trouble. Boxing is a completely different kettle of fish to MMA.

McGregor would be a fool to accept, Mayweather doesn't need this sort of spectacle to make money, neither does Conor.

Conor needs to stop with the media circus and get back in the octagon. This is getting ridiculous at this stage. It sounds like he's just caught up in his own hype now.

ASOT

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Agreed. All this stuff with WWE and Boxing makes him look stupid or desperate. He should get on the phone on Dana and Lorenzo and work this out. Then get an actual manager/agent to handle his business affairs. Kavanagh should clearly only be training.

He has an actual manager, Audie Attar. All Kavanagh does is train him so I'm not sure what else you think he does.

JohnMc1

John_D80 wrote: »

Is there an implication here that John Kavanagh has some sort of input into McGregors business affairs? I think people are reading to much into John Kavanagh's social media activity.

As far as I am aware, Conor does have a manager. He owns his own management company I think with a solicitor friend of his who handles his affairs, or something along those lines

He is getting bad advice. Regardless of who its from.

newbbieb

ScumLord wrote: »

It would be a farce of a fight and I'd say he doesn't want his stellar career to end on a farce. McGregor may be an excellent mixed martial artist but that's not going to translate to boxing. All his flare would just get him in trouble. Boxing is a completely different kettle of fish to MMA.

McGregor would be a fool to accept, Mayweather doesn't need this sort of spectacle to make money, neither does Conor.

Conor needs to stop with the media circus and get back in the octagon. This is getting ridiculous at this stage. It sounds like he's just caught up in his own hype now.

It works for both of them right now to play this game.

Conor wants to keep in the news grow his fanbase social media followers etc. and Floyd is currently negotiating the Pacman rematch,wants to keep his name out there and appearing to have plenty of options for superfights and having people talk about him will give him more leverage in the negotations regarding the split with pacquaio.

threeball

ScumLord wrote: »

It would be a farce of a fight and I'd say he doesn't want his stellar career to end on a farce. McGregor may be an excellent mixed martial artist but that's not going to translate to boxing. All his flare would just get him in trouble. Boxing is a completely different kettle of fish to MMA.

McGregor would be a fool to accept, Mayweather doesn't need this sort of spectacle to make money, neither does Conor.

Conor needs to stop with the media circus and get back in the octagon. This is getting ridiculous at this stage. It sounds like he's just caught up in his own hype now.

It would be a farce as an out and out boxing match but I wouldnt mind seeing a boxing match between both using the mma gloves. That changes the whole dynamic of the fight especially for floyd who is a master at tucking up behind the guard. Take that away and it could be fun to watch. It just throws an unknown quantity into the dynamic.
Either way this is never going to happen

John_D80

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He is getting bad advice. Regardless of who its from.

Yes, quite possibly. But not from John Kavanagh which I think is what you were getting at previously.

Lukker-

A millionaire tried to get into a pissing contest with a billionaire

if this ever got to the ring it would be like a "make a wish foundation", Spar with a star competition!!

Dublin man and keen one time amateur boxer Conor McGregor wins a run around the ring with boxing legend!!!!

a joke. Conor is a good night in the national stadium at best. Puts on them padded gloves and it would be over in one round!

Mellor

There's a certain irony in people saying the match is a joke.

how so?

kumate_champ07

GiftofGab wrote: »

This thread has gotten so bad. It s like school yard stuff now.

McGregor is not fighting Mayweather. That s just ridiculous. Mayweather dislikes the sport of MMA and is not getting into MMA promoting. I guess Mayweather is going to fight again. He has more than hinted at it but stopped short of completely flat out saying he will fight. Like always he ll fight someone that he s guaranteed to win with little risk.


McGregor needs to get back training and thrash talking interviews.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Floyd-Mayweather-Im-Going-to-Start-Promoting-MMA-Fights-103219

I think I read somewhere that he had money in some small mma promotions.

RebelSoul

rusty cole wrote:

how so?

Because the whole thing is a joke.

kumate_champ07

rusty cole wrote: »

if this ever got to the ring it would be like a "make a wish foundation", Spar with a star competition!!

Dublin man and keen one time amateur boxer Conor McGregor wins a run around the ring with boxing legend!!!!

a joke. Conor is a good night in the national stadium at best. Puts on them padded gloves and it would be over in one round!

thats a bit harsh

you think a defensive boxer who wins on points is going to knock him out in 1 round?

it would be a novelty fight, but why not, people would pay to see it

Id rather it was a healthy Manny tho, but prefer it was Conor instead of someone handpicked for his 50th win

price690

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

thats a bit harsh

you think a defensive boxer who wins on points is going to knock him out in 1 round?

it would be a novelty fight, but why not, people would pay to see it

Id rather it was a healthy Manny tho, but prefer it was Conor instead of someone handpicked for his 50th win

10 times out of 10 he does yes.

Kirby

price690 wrote: »

10 times out of 10 he does yes.

Floyd hasn't knocked anybody out, without cheating, in an absolute eternity. He isn't knocking anybody out. Lets be real here.

He would completely outclass and embarrass McGregor. It would be a ludicrous fight and totally pointless. But if you think Floyd is knocking anybody out, you clearly haven't watched him enough. That's not what he does, and even if it was and he had a right go, he doesn't have the power.

Subcomandante Marcos

Kirby wrote: »

Floyd hasn't knocked anybody out, without cheating, in an absolute eternity. He isn't knocking anybody out. Lets be real here.

He would completely outclass and embarrass McGregor. It would be a ludicrous fight and totally pointless. But if you think Floyd is knocking anybody out, you clearly haven't watched him enough. That's not what he does, and even if it was and he had a right go, he doesn't have the power.

You're off the reservation . In a straight boxing match with a relative amateur like McGregor, Mayweather would be able to land at will and never be touched. He'd tee off on Conors huge head for about 45 seconds and that's it over.

I can't believe people can't see the difference between being a good striker in mma and being the best boxer of a generation and possibly one of the best of all time.

There is no comparison here. Mayweather knocked Hatton the **** out and Hatton was infinitely more skilled as a boxer and had way more power than McGregor.

It's not even a contest. It's a freak show.

And it's never going to happen anyway.

Wrongway1985

Lads Floyd gets plenty attention, Conor gets a ton too. By either commenting on mention of each others name multiplies audience; stories are formed by rags; gullible people believe rags, gullible people use the internet to spread words of wisdom......FLOYD TO DROP IN RD 2 WAR MCGREGOR!!!

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You're off the reservation . In a straight boxing match with a relative amateur like McGregor, Mayweather would be able to land at will and never be touched. He'd tee off on Conors huge head for about 45 seconds and that's it over.

I can't believe people can't see the difference between being a good striker in mma and being the best boxer of a generation and possibly one of the best of all time.

There is no comparison here. Mayweather knocked Hatton the **** out and Hatton was infinitely more skilled as a boxer and had way more power than McGregor.

It's not even a contest. It's a freak show.

And it's never going to happen anyway.

G'wan ya big floyd fanboy :D:D

price690

Kirby wrote: »

Floyd hasn't knocked anybody out, without cheating, in an absolute eternity. He isn't knocking anybody out. Lets be real here.

He would completely outclass and embarrass McGregor. It would be a ludicrous fight and totally pointless. But if you think Floyd is knocking anybody out, you clearly haven't watched him enough. That's not what he does, and even if it was and he had a right go, he doesn't have the power.

Watch Rigondeaux v Willie Casey. It would go something like that. Except Mayweather is pound for pound a better boxer than Rigo.

And Willie Casey is pound for pound a better boxer than McGregor.

You get my point.

RebelSoul

RebelSoul wrote: »

Because the whole thing is a joke.

oh yeah sorry, long day.. yea I agree, think the whole McGregor thread is all hypothesis and hyperbole for now really isn't it.

I might have a gander in personal issues for the craic!!!

splashthecash

This madness needs to end....do it or don't do it, just stop filling my Facebook and news feeds with constant speculation

http://www.punditarena.com/boxing/sraftery/watch-freddie-roach-claims-asked-train-conor-mcgregor/