Am I the only one

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

punisher5112

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Oh believe me they are out there.

You may well know some but they don't broadcast.

Some partners may work but o/h doesn't and they get payments.

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mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Yes, there are scroungers out there.

But not anywhere near as many as the tabloid press would lead us to believe.

Sunnyisland

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

I have, over the years, I know a few that are on the dole since it started...



I haven't heard to many saying there entitled to welfare but will take it just the same as long as they can,

I know a few who are not sick and are getting sick pay,

Know a few who are lone parents just living on welfare,

They exist alright but not as much as is made out to be.

As most people would rather work and get on better finically which will upgrade there lifestyle.

Earthhorse

There's a certain class of people who exploit the welfare system and another, far larger, class of people who seem to spend their every minute torn up in angst, obsessing about these people.

andekwarhola

realies wrote: »

I have, over the years, I know a few that are on the dole since it started..

They must be pretty old.

intheclouds

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

The worst I ever met was a girl who openly boasted that she had a 3k+ take home monthly from single parent allowance for 4 children (2 different fathers, 1 disabled child) + a disability payment on 1 child + medical card + cheap council rent + both fathers marked as unknown on kids birth certs yet both paying her money for the kids + a guy living with her not declared to the council + the guy running a cash in hand business from the council property + free daily care provided for the disabled child.

She was actually proud of all of it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

andekwarhola wrote: »

They must be pretty old.

It came in in 1911, so yep.

RayM

Earthhorse wrote: »

There's a certain class of people who exploit the welfare system and another, far larger, class of people who seem to spend their every minute torn up in angst, obsessing about these people.

The worst thing is, if the dole didn't exist, they'd just find some other group of people to obsess over. I honestly pity them, because it must be terrible to be so angry all the time.

Nodin

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Most of those who complain about them don't know any either.

endacl

I have worked for years with the population of Gimmestan. Yes. They're out there.

I remember the day after the €1000 child supplement was announced in 2006. I was working in a back to education centre in a to remain unnamed area of Dublin. While the kids were in the free crèche, all the mums were in the canteen, poring over Argos catalogues, and Budget holiday brochures. All the staff were in there too. Planning how this payment might affect family budgets.

Go figure...

Ice Maiden

I used to think people with a huge sense of entitlement and tiny sense of personal responsibility barely existed, but in the last few years I have had cause to encounter them, and they definitely exist in higher numbers than that. Honestly they think they are entitled to anything essential for free or for whatever cost they choose.

They are certainly a minority though. No question about that.

the evasion_kid

gives the right wingers something to jizz their pants about....if it wasnt that it would be something else....kill the poor or something...

anothernight

A few years ago Kevin Smith was in Vicar Street with his Jay and Silent Bob Get Old show. He called some members of the public up to the stage. One of them was a young girl who told him that she was unemployed but sure it didn't matter because she was on the dole anyway. She wouldn't shut up about it. Cue collective cringing... Thankfully Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes didn't seem to have a clue what she was talking about.

IrishTrajan

Nodin wrote: »

Most of those who complain about them don't know any either.

I reported any of the ones I knew who were scamming the system, like a normal, law-abiding citizen should do.

the evasion_kid wrote: »

gives the right wingers something to jizz their pants about....if it wasnt that it would be something else....kill the poor or something...

Yep, that's exactly what the right-wing wants. To eradicate poverty by killing all the poor. :rolleyes:

RayM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Yep, that's exactly what the right-wing wants. To eradicate poverty by killing all the poor. :rolleyes:

You could kill them and then feed them to the hungry. Eradicate poverty and hunger in one fell swoop.

endacl

endacl wrote: »

I have worked for years with the population of Gimmestan. Yes. They're out there.

I remember the day after the €1000 child supplement was announced in 2006. I was working in a back to education centre in a to remain unnamed area of Dublin. While the kids were in the free crèche, all the mums were in the canteen, poring over Argos catalogues, and Budget holiday brochures. All the staff were in there too. Planning how this payment might affect family budgets.

Go figure...

A member of my family is a community welfare officer and we often have conversation about this, but she acknowledges that her view is probably flawed as she working with one section of society every day, although all she is doing at the moment is sorting out rent supplements. In years gone by she would tell you about real hair raising anecdotes about women in rural area with no accesses to transport or anything married to alcoholics who felt entitled to spend all their dole in the pub while leaving their family hungry.

I am not saying that there are not issue that need to be looked at.

Sunnyisland

andekwarhola wrote: »

They must be pretty old.

Greyson Unkempt Birch wrote: »

It came in in 1911, so yep.

Yes lol getting a bit carried away ok .

But the chap I know and he not the only one, is 64, and he never ever worked a day in his life nor would he, and would know every scam in advoiding job courses etc etc. so he collecting 46 years assuming he started at 18.

But as I posted earlier most people would rather work imo.

laserlad2010

I had an argument on Boards last year with a lad who took the dole but worked cash in hand in a bar. Couldn't understand how he was screwing the rest of us over...

nor did he care

Ice Maiden

laserlad2010 wrote: »

I had an argument on Boards last year with a lad who took the dole but worked cash in hand in a bar. Couldn't understand how he was screwing the rest of us over...

nor did he care

I wouldn't mind that if he was just doing a few hours now and again on a Friday/Saturday night. Bad form if he was doing full-time hours though.

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I don't either, not one person in my social circle is drawing down social welfare benefits such as lone parents or JSA/JSB. My mother is in her late sixties and drawing down a pension, and that's about it.
Everyone else I know socially works, pays taxes etc. I'd work in an environment where I'd interact with about 100 people a month, and socially it would be about the same.

So given that the 400,000 on social welfare are about a tenth of our population, that's not surprising that I don't interact with/know any of them tbh.

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Filmer Paradise

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Very true.

There's large housing estates across the land stuffed to the gills with these types.

2 to 3 generation dole monkeys having a handy time at the expense of the taxpayer.

People who don't give a bollix.

I don't blame them really. I blame the people who let this situation happen in the first place.

They're the ones that need to be strung up.

Stheno

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I'd argue it's also what you work in. I live in North County Dublin, work in IT, and primarily socialise with people working in IT/friends of my OH who live in NCD.

My own friends primarily work in IT also or are entrepreneurs, or returned emigrants.

Strangely a few of them are based in Donegal!

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Ave Sodalis

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I'm not sure why you are equating unemployment blackspots with LPF allowence, when you have shown here that you're aware LPF is paid to those working as well...

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I understand that. People can get into trouble & its good that there is state support for them till they get back on their feet.

I get all that.

But there's an underclass developing that don't seem interseted in self improvement because there's a system in place there that is open to abuse.

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Stheno

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Well yes, my family (I'm the oldest of ten and the only one working in IT) all are working, and of course I've friends all of whom are working (one is on maternity leave at the moment), and my OHs friends work in a variety of industries from the pub industry to construction, to IT, Sales, and entrepreneurs.

None of our social circle are unemployed or claiming benefits though. I'd a former colleague on linkedin recently post that he was at the end of a contract and put him in touch with a few people and as a result he's gotten a job.

I'd find it quite strange to meet someone who was in any way long term unemployed tbh given the profile of the people I mix with.

Ave Sodalis

Filmer Paradise wrote:

But there's an underclass developing that don't seem interseted in self improvement because there's a system in place there that is open to abuse.

No, there isn't. This is grossly exaggerated by the media. There always has been those that will never work. They exist now, and they existed before during boom times when there wasn't a peep about them, and they always will exist. Don't let a tiny minority make you lose the run of yourself.

Ave Sodalis

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Stheno

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In Dec. 2015 long term unemployment accounted for 45.4% of claimants, so clearly reducing.

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterdecember2015/

Slightly more relevant than 2013.

Filmer Paradise

sup_dude wrote: »

No, there isn't. This is grossly exaggerated by the media. There always has been those that will never work. They exist now, and they existed before during boom times when there wasn't a peep about them, and they always will exist. Don't let a tiny minority make you lose the run of yourself.

Maybe it was once a tiny minority. But it's getting bigger all the time.

Ignoring the problem only makes the situation worse.

The pay gap between those on dole & all the other benefits attached is too close to those working on minimum wage.

In some cases it just doesn't pay them to get a job.

This is the real problem that needs to be addressed.

Ave Sodalis

It should also be pointed out that long term unemployed is over 12 months. 2005 was not recession years, 2013 was. The term "long term unemployed" doesn't account for those who became unemployed due to recession, or those who never worked.

Ave Sodalis

Filmer Paradise wrote:

Maybe it was once a tiny minority. But it's getting bigger all the time.

It really isn't.

Filmer Paradise

sup_dude wrote: »

It really isn't.

How do you know?

Stone Deaf 4evr

Am I the only one






Who hates people starting threads with titles like that where you have to click in to see what's wrong with them? It's like a form of attention seeking and by god I'm powerless to stop giving it to them.

Ave Sodalis

As Stheno pointed out, long term employment rates are reducing.

What makes you think they're forever increasing?

Stigura

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Am I the only one

Who hates people starting threads with titles like that where you have to click in to see what's wrong with them? It's like a form of attention seeking and by god I'm powerless to stop giving it to them.

Just hold ye cursor over the thread title, on the main board. It gives ye a preview of the first part of the original post.

Save myself a hell of a lot of time doing that

Filmer Paradise

sup_dude wrote: »

As Stheno pointed out, long term employment rates are reducing.

What makes you think they're forever increasing?

I think you meant unemployment rates there.

The thing is is that there are more people in the country now. The population is up.

Also, the underclass have more benefits than they had 20/30 years ago. It's more ingrained with them now. Some families have no intention of taking a job ever again. Its generational at this stage.

Stheno

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Also, the underclass have more benefits than they had 20/30 years ago. It's more ingrained with them now. Some families have no intention of taking a job ever again. Its generational at this stage.

I'd argue they have less.

Unemployment benefit and assistance has reduced since the boom years, and rent allowance/supplement has also been capped.

The waiting times for council housing is up to ten years in some councils also.

IrishLoriii

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Meanwhile I see people every dole day collecting there dole then going
to work or doing the 15 hours and 50 euro extra on top of your dole day but the employer paying them in cash to do extra hours! Or the one I heard of tonight of the magnet with the prepaypower things to scam the company etc etc It is an absolute joke the way people go on near where I live..they all feel it is there right to be handed money for doing nothing and to be given houses because they are ''single mothers''...while living in said house with their partners..I could go on and on but as a young person growing up in Ireland it puts my view of irish people seriously low

Stheno

IrishLoriii wrote: »

Meanwhile I see people every dole day collecting there dole then going
to work or doing the 15 hours and 50 euro extra on top of your dole day but the employer paying them in cash to do extra hours! Or the one I heard of tonight of the magnet with the prepaypower things to scam the company etc etc It is an absolute joke the way people go on near where I live..they all feel it is there right to be handed money for doing nothing and to be given houses because they are ''single mothers''...while living in said house with their partners..I could go on and on but as a young person growing up in Ireland it puts my view of irish people seriously low

Meanwhile I live in a world where friends and family consider completing a Masters as something to be congratulated.

I was out shopping recently and the OH met up with a friend of his, and when I joined them, his first comments to me were to congratulate me on finishing my masters.

You could say my world is very American, in that most people I know are striving constantly to do better, and realise that they will reap those rewards.

It kinda feels like there is a big split between my world where working and achieveing is to be congratulated and praised, and the other world where people just scrounge tbh.

IrishLoriii

Stheno wrote: »

Meanwhile I live in a world where friends and family consider completing a Masters as something to be congratulated.

I was out shopping recently and the OH met up with a friend of his, and when I joined them, his first comments to me were to congratulate me on finishing my masters.

It kinda feels like there is a big split between my world where working and achieveing is to be congratulated and praised, and the other world where people just scrounge tbh.

Oh trust me there is a big split..I work part time in the place where all this scamming and scrounging goes on and when I was doing my leaving cert some of them couldnt fathom the idea that I mightnt be able to work during the exams cause Id be studying and others actually asked me if I was planning on continueing on with education or was I happy to just continue working in the shop meanwhile I was brought up in a house where education is the way forward and working in a shop is not seen as the end goal..

Stheno

IrishLoriii wrote: »

Oh trust me there is a big split..I work part time in the place where all this scamming and scrounging goes on and when I was doing my leaving cert some of them couldnt fathom the idea that I mightnt be able to work during the exams cause Id be studying and others actually asked me if I was planning on continueing on with education or was I happy to just continue working in the shop meanwhile I was brought up in a house where education is the way forward and working in a shop is not seen as the end goal..

Good for you, best of luck with your studies.

Ave Sodalis

Filmer Paradise wrote:

I think you meant unemployment rates there.

Yes, using my phone so mistakes such as that happen often.

Filmer Paradise wrote:

Some families have no intention of taking a job ever again. Its generational at this stage.

That's not answering the question. How do you know it's increasing?

Ave Sodalis

IrishLoriii wrote:

Meanwhile I see people every dole day collecting there dole then going to work or doing the 15 hours and 50 euro extra on top of your dole day but the employer paying them in cash to do extra hours! Or the one I heard of tonight of the magnet with the prepaypower things to scam the company etc etc It is an absolute joke the way people go on near where I live..they all feel it is there right to be handed money for doing nothing and to be given houses because they are ''single mothers''...while living in said house with their partners..I could go on and on but as a young person growing up in Ireland it puts my view of irish people seriously low

Why are you not reporting them?