Am I the only one

21-02-2016 06:12PM #1

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

punisher5112 · 21-02-2016 06:14PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Oh believe me they are out there.

You may well know some but they don't broadcast.

Some partners may work but o/h doesn't and they get payments.

ads20101 · 21-02-2016 06:15PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Yes, there are scroungers out there.

But not anywhere near as many as the tabloid press would lead us to believe.

Sunnyisland · 21-02-2016 06:18PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

I have, over the years, I know a few that are on the dole since it started...

I haven't heard to many saying there entitled to welfare but will take it just the same as long as they can,

I know a few who are not sick and are getting sick pay,

Know a few who are lone parents just living on welfare,

They exist alright but not as much as is made out to be.

As most people would rather work and get on better finically which will upgrade there lifestyle.

Earthhorse · 21-02-2016 07:04PM

There's a certain class of people who exploit the welfare system and another, far larger, class of people who seem to spend their every minute torn up in angst, obsessing about these people.

andekwarhola · 21-02-2016 07:12PM

realies wrote: »

I have, over the years, I know a few that are on the dole since it started..

They must be pretty old.

intheclouds · 21-02-2016 07:31PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

The worst I ever met was a girl who openly boasted that she had a 3k+ take home monthly from single parent allowance for 4 children (2 different fathers, 1 disabled child) + a disability payment on 1 child + medical card + cheap council rent + both fathers marked as unknown on kids birth certs yet both paying her money for the kids + a guy living with her not declared to the council + the guy running a cash in hand business from the council property + free daily care provided for the disabled child.

She was actually proud of all of it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 21-02-2016 07:32PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

They must be pretty old.

It came in in 1911, so yep.

RayM · 21-02-2016 07:41PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

There's a certain class of people who exploit the welfare system and another, far larger, class of people who seem to spend their every minute torn up in angst, obsessing about these people.

The worst thing is, if the dole didn't exist, they'd just find some other group of people to obsess over. I honestly pity them, because it must be terrible to be so angry all the time.

Nodin · 21-02-2016 07:46PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Most of those who complain about them don't know any either.

endacl · 21-02-2016 07:48PM

I have worked for years with the population of Gimmestan. Yes. They're out there.

I remember the day after the €1000 child supplement was announced in 2006. I was working in a back to education centre in a to remain unnamed area of Dublin. While the kids were in the free crèche, all the mums were in the canteen, poring over Argos catalogues, and Budget holiday brochures. All the staff were in there too. Planning how this payment might affect family budgets.

Go figure...

Ice Maiden · 21-02-2016 07:49PM

I used to think people with a huge sense of entitlement and tiny sense of personal responsibility barely existed, but in the last few years I have had cause to encounter them, and they definitely exist in higher numbers than that. Honestly they think they are entitled to anything essential for free or for whatever cost they choose.

They are certainly a minority though. No question about that.

the evasion_kid · 21-02-2016 07:56PM

gives the right wingers something to jizz their pants about....if it wasnt that it would be something else....kill the poor or something...

anothernight · 21-02-2016 08:01PM

A few years ago Kevin Smith was in Vicar Street with his Jay and Silent Bob Get Old show. He called some members of the public up to the stage. One of them was a young girl who told him that she was unemployed but sure it didn't matter because she was on the dole anyway. She wouldn't shut up about it. Cue collective cringing... Thankfully Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes didn't seem to have a clue what she was talking about.

IrishTrajan · 21-02-2016 08:06PM

Nodin wrote: »

Most of those who complain about them don't know any either.

I reported any of the ones I knew who were scamming the system, like a normal, law-abiding citizen should do.

the evasion_kid wrote: »

gives the right wingers something to jizz their pants about....if it wasnt that it would be something else....kill the poor or something...

Yep, that's exactly what the right-wing wants. To eradicate poverty by killing all the poor. :rolleyes:

RayM · 21-02-2016 08:10PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Yep, that's exactly what the right-wing wants. To eradicate poverty by killing all the poor. :rolleyes:

You could kill them and then feed them to the hungry. Eradicate poverty and hunger in one fell swoop.

21-02-2016 08:18PM

endacl wrote: »

I have worked for years with the population of Gimmestan. Yes. They're out there.

I remember the day after the €1000 child supplement was announced in 2006. I was working in a back to education centre in a to remain unnamed area of Dublin. While the kids were in the free crèche, all the mums were in the canteen, poring over Argos catalogues, and Budget holiday brochures. All the staff were in there too. Planning how this payment might affect family budgets.

Go figure...

A member of my family is a community welfare officer and we often have conversation about this, but she acknowledges that her view is probably flawed as she working with one section of society every day, although all she is doing at the moment is sorting out rent supplements. In years gone by she would tell you about real hair raising anecdotes about women in rural area with no accesses to transport or anything married to alcoholics who felt entitled to spend all their dole in the pub while leaving their family hungry.

I am not saying that there are not issue that need to be looked at.

Sunnyisland · 21-02-2016 09:05PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

They must be pretty old.

Greyson Unkempt Birch wrote: »

It came in in 1911, so yep.

Yes lol getting a bit carried away ok .

But the chap I know and he not the only one, is 64, and he never ever worked a day in his life nor would he, and would know every scam in advoiding job courses etc etc. so he collecting 46 years assuming he started at 18.

But as I posted earlier most people would rather work imo.

laserlad2010 · 21-02-2016 09:41PM

I had an argument on Boards last year with a lad who took the dole but worked cash in hand in a bar. Couldn't understand how he was screwing the rest of us over...

nor did he care

Ice Maiden · 21-02-2016 09:57PM

laserlad2010 wrote: »

I had an argument on Boards last year with a lad who took the dole but worked cash in hand in a bar. Couldn't understand how he was screwing the rest of us over...

nor did he care

I wouldn't mind that if he was just doing a few hours now and again on a Friday/Saturday night. Bad form if he was doing full-time hours though.

Permabear · 22-02-2016 12:42AM

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Stheno · 22-02-2016 12:45AM

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I don't either, not one person in my social circle is drawing down social welfare benefits such as lone parents or JSA/JSB. My mother is in her late sixties and drawing down a pension, and that's about it.
Everyone else I know socially works, pays taxes etc. I'd work in an environment where I'd interact with about 100 people a month, and socially it would be about the same.

So given that the 400,000 on social welfare are about a tenth of our population, that's not surprising that I don't interact with/know any of them tbh.

Permabear · 22-02-2016 12:50AM

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Filmer Paradise · 22-02-2016 12:51AM

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Very true.

There's large housing estates across the land stuffed to the gills with these types.

2 to 3 generation dole monkeys having a handy time at the expense of the taxpayer.

People who don't give a bollix.

I don't blame them really. I blame the people who let this situation happen in the first place.

They're the ones that need to be strung up.

Stheno · 22-02-2016 12:53AM

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I'd argue it's also what you work in. I live in North County Dublin, work in IT, and primarily socialise with people working in IT/friends of my OH who live in NCD.

My own friends primarily work in IT also or are entrepreneurs, or returned emigrants.

Strangely a few of them are based in Donegal!

Permabear · 22-02-2016 12:56AM

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Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 12:59AM

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I'm not sure why you are equating unemployment blackspots with LPF allowence, when you have shown here that you're aware LPF is paid to those working as well...

Permabear · 22-02-2016 01:00AM

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Filmer Paradise · 22-02-2016 01:02AM

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I understand that. People can get into trouble & its good that there is state support for them till they get back on their feet.

I get all that.

But there's an underclass developing that don't seem interseted in self improvement because there's a system in place there that is open to abuse.

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