Am I the only one

Stheno · 22-02-2016 01:04AM

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Well yes, my family (I'm the oldest of ten and the only one working in IT) all are working, and of course I've friends all of whom are working (one is on maternity leave at the moment), and my OHs friends work in a variety of industries from the pub industry to construction, to IT, Sales, and entrepreneurs.

None of our social circle are unemployed or claiming benefits though. I'd a former colleague on linkedin recently post that he was at the end of a contract and put him in touch with a few people and as a result he's gotten a job.

I'd find it quite strange to meet someone who was in any way long term unemployed tbh given the profile of the people I mix with.

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 01:05AM

Filmer Paradise wrote:

But there's an underclass developing that don't seem interseted in self improvement because there's a system in place there that is open to abuse.

No, there isn't. This is grossly exaggerated by the media. There always has been those that will never work. They exist now, and they existed before during boom times when there wasn't a peep about them, and they always will exist. Don't let a tiny minority make you lose the run of yourself.

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 01:06AM

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Permabear · 22-02-2016 01:09AM

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Stheno · 22-02-2016 01:13AM

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In Dec. 2015 long term unemployment accounted for 45.4% of claimants, so clearly reducing.

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterdecember2015/

Slightly more relevant than 2013.

Filmer Paradise · 22-02-2016 01:16AM

sup_dude wrote: »

No, there isn't. This is grossly exaggerated by the media. There always has been those that will never work. They exist now, and they existed before during boom times when there wasn't a peep about them, and they always will exist. Don't let a tiny minority make you lose the run of yourself.

Maybe it was once a tiny minority. But it's getting bigger all the time.

Ignoring the problem only makes the situation worse.

The pay gap between those on dole & all the other benefits attached is too close to those working on minimum wage.

In some cases it just doesn't pay them to get a job.

This is the real problem that needs to be addressed.

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 01:18AM

It should also be pointed out that long term unemployed is over 12 months. 2005 was not recession years, 2013 was. The term "long term unemployed" doesn't account for those who became unemployed due to recession, or those who never worked.

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 01:20AM

Filmer Paradise wrote:

Maybe it was once a tiny minority. But it's getting bigger all the time.

It really isn't.

Filmer Paradise · 22-02-2016 01:22AM

sup_dude wrote: »

It really isn't.

How do you know?

Stone Deaf 4evr · 22-02-2016 01:22AM

Am I the only one

Who hates people starting threads with titles like that where you have to click in to see what's wrong with them? It's like a form of attention seeking and by god I'm powerless to stop giving it to them.

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 01:25AM

As Stheno pointed out, long term employment rates are reducing.

What makes you think they're forever increasing?

Stigura · 22-02-2016 01:33AM

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Am I the only one

Who hates people starting threads with titles like that where you have to click in to see what's wrong with them? It's like a form of attention seeking and by god I'm powerless to stop giving it to them.

Just hold ye cursor over the thread title, on the main board. It gives ye a preview of the first part of the original post.

Save myself a hell of a lot of time doing that

Filmer Paradise · 22-02-2016 01:34AM

sup_dude wrote: »

As Stheno pointed out, long term employment rates are reducing.

What makes you think they're forever increasing?

I think you meant unemployment rates there.

The thing is is that there are more people in the country now. The population is up.

Also, the underclass have more benefits than they had 20/30 years ago. It's more ingrained with them now. Some families have no intention of taking a job ever again. Its generational at this stage.

Stheno · 22-02-2016 01:36AM

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Also, the underclass have more benefits than they had 20/30 years ago. It's more ingrained with them now. Some families have no intention of taking a job ever again. Its generational at this stage.

I'd argue they have less.

Unemployment benefit and assistance has reduced since the boom years, and rent allowance/supplement has also been capped.

The waiting times for council housing is up to ten years in some councils also.

IrishLoriii · 22-02-2016 01:37AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Meanwhile I see people every dole day collecting there dole then going
to work or doing the 15 hours and 50 euro extra on top of your dole day but the employer paying them in cash to do extra hours! Or the one I heard of tonight of the magnet with the prepaypower things to scam the company etc etc It is an absolute joke the way people go on near where I live..they all feel it is there right to be handed money for doing nothing and to be given houses because they are ''single mothers''...while living in said house with their partners..I could go on and on but as a young person growing up in Ireland it puts my view of irish people seriously low

Stheno · 22-02-2016 01:42AM

IrishLoriii wrote: »

Meanwhile I see people every dole day collecting there dole then going
to work or doing the 15 hours and 50 euro extra on top of your dole day but the employer paying them in cash to do extra hours! Or the one I heard of tonight of the magnet with the prepaypower things to scam the company etc etc It is an absolute joke the way people go on near where I live..they all feel it is there right to be handed money for doing nothing and to be given houses because they are ''single mothers''...while living in said house with their partners..I could go on and on but as a young person growing up in Ireland it puts my view of irish people seriously low

Meanwhile I live in a world where friends and family consider completing a Masters as something to be congratulated.

I was out shopping recently and the OH met up with a friend of his, and when I joined them, his first comments to me were to congratulate me on finishing my masters.

You could say my world is very American, in that most people I know are striving constantly to do better, and realise that they will reap those rewards.

It kinda feels like there is a big split between my world where working and achieveing is to be congratulated and praised, and the other world where people just scrounge tbh.

IrishLoriii · 22-02-2016 01:45AM

Stheno wrote: »

Meanwhile I live in a world where friends and family consider completing a Masters as something to be congratulated.

I was out shopping recently and the OH met up with a friend of his, and when I joined them, his first comments to me were to congratulate me on finishing my masters.

It kinda feels like there is a big split between my world where working and achieveing is to be congratulated and praised, and the other world where people just scrounge tbh.

Oh trust me there is a big split..I work part time in the place where all this scamming and scrounging goes on and when I was doing my leaving cert some of them couldnt fathom the idea that I mightnt be able to work during the exams cause Id be studying and others actually asked me if I was planning on continueing on with education or was I happy to just continue working in the shop meanwhile I was brought up in a house where education is the way forward and working in a shop is not seen as the end goal..

Stheno · 22-02-2016 01:47AM

IrishLoriii wrote: »

Oh trust me there is a big split..I work part time in the place where all this scamming and scrounging goes on and when I was doing my leaving cert some of them couldnt fathom the idea that I mightnt be able to work during the exams cause Id be studying and others actually asked me if I was planning on continueing on with education or was I happy to just continue working in the shop meanwhile I was brought up in a house where education is the way forward and working in a shop is not seen as the end goal..

Good for you, best of luck with your studies.

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 01:52AM

Filmer Paradise wrote:

I think you meant unemployment rates there.

Yes, using my phone so mistakes such as that happen often.

Filmer Paradise wrote:

Some families have no intention of taking a job ever again. Its generational at this stage.

That's not answering the question. How do you know it's increasing?

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2016 01:53AM

IrishLoriii wrote:

Meanwhile I see people every dole day collecting there dole then going to work or doing the 15 hours and 50 euro extra on top of your dole day but the employer paying them in cash to do extra hours! Or the one I heard of tonight of the magnet with the prepaypower things to scam the company etc etc It is an absolute joke the way people go on near where I live..they all feel it is there right to be handed money for doing nothing and to be given houses because they are ''single mothers''...while living in said house with their partners..I could go on and on but as a young person growing up in Ireland it puts my view of irish people seriously low

Why are you not reporting them?

IrishLoriii · 22-02-2016 02:02AM

sup_dude wrote: »

Why are you not reporting them?

At the end of the day I'm a student who just does their job and gets on with it. Sometimes I think id love to report them but then again the govt screws me over too so whats the point? As bad as it sounds there right to be doing it the waythis country is-they're the ones who have it sussed that the less you do the more you get..

Stheno · 22-02-2016 02:04AM

IrishLoriii wrote: »

At the end of the day I'm a student who just does their job and gets on with it. Sometimes I think id love to report them but then again the govt screws me over too so whats the point? As bad as it sounds there right to be doing it the waythis country is-they're the ones who have it sussed that the less you do the more you get..

How does the government screw you over?

jca · 22-02-2016 02:12AM

Stigura wrote: »

Just hold ye cursor over the thread title, on the main board. It gives ye a preview of the first part of the original post.

Save myself a hell of a lot of time doing that

Not if your on the phone....wink.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 22-02-2016 02:13AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

I know two couples who are like this.
Boyfriend and girlfriend both on the dole. Neither have ever worked. Rent allowance, medical cards, and no incentive to get a job. Had a conversation with him Xmas 14 and he was very excited that the Xmas bonus was brought back at 25%. Then told me that next Xmas (2015) it was going to be fully restored.
There he was, planning to still be on the dole in 1 years time.
The girlfriend said that them having full time work would ruin their relationship as they wouldn't see each other as much.

The other couple, to be fair, I think given a chance he would work but he doesn't stick with any job. She's of the belief that he owes her a living as a woman should stay home with her kids, and have the man provide. She's just bone idle. Has no interest in working, happy to stay in her mams watching tv with her mam all day, or going out for lunches/tea with her mam. She will complain of never having money but will still upgrade her iPhone, go for meals out, and then complains the government don't do enough to support families.

Two sisters that I know from school, neither of them work, never have. To be fair they just are following suit from their parents. They do Monday Club each week after dole day. You'd see them sitting in the pubs drinking 3 euro pints just to get drunk. Of course the polish and the black people take all the jobs and houses which is why their in their late 20s living at home in their parents council house with no jobs.

Cupcake_Crisis · 22-02-2016 02:47AM

I never understood the desire to be on the dole. I was on it for a while and it was torture. I was under 25 with no kids so got about €100 a week, €50 went towards the house. That left me with €50 to keep myself dressed, buy toiletries, and put petrol in the car to get around to interviews. It's no life at all.

wexandproud · 22-02-2016 09:36AM

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agree 100% . I have no problem at at all with someone getting a helping hand , its the professional scroungers and baby factories i have a problem with . we were all told back in the eighties that when contraception was made available it would help prevent unwanted teenage pregnancy . I know that with the best will in the world some young girl could get caught out , but its far worse now than ever , just walk down any street in any town with your eyes open and you can see it . Apart from the childrens allowance and unmarried mothers allowance there is the entitlement to be housed then aswell . when the hell did it become the governments job to provide houses for single parents , and then all the extras aswell . What the hell happened to personal responseability and if you cant afford it ,well tough luck , let your parents look after you.

i also think that the father of a child should be named on birth cert and if not no childrens allowance paid to mothers this would also then allow child support to be stopped at source thereby putting some bit of responseability on the man

Anybody who can't see that there is a sector of society who for generations have a god given right not to work are either blind , just plain stupid , or scamming the system themselves

Sam Kade · 22-02-2016 09:42AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

Listen to any radio station and you'll hear plenty of them;) The ones protesting about water charges you surely heard them unless you have your head buried in the sand.

JustTheOne · 22-02-2016 09:57AM

Don't we have the highest rate of jobless households in Europe?

As in parents kids grandkids of the same families all unemployed?

22-02-2016 10:46AM

IrishLoriii wrote: »

Oh trust me there is a big split..I work part time in the place where all this scamming and scrounging goes on and when I was doing my leaving cert some of them couldnt fathom the idea that I mightnt be able to work during the exams cause Id be studying and others actually asked me if I was planning on continueing on with education or was I happy to just continue working in the shop meanwhile I was brought up in a house where education is the way forward and working in a shop is not seen as the end goal..

If the people you are working with are with they are working or are you saying the owners of the shop are colluding with the people who work in the shop to defraud the welfare system.

22-02-2016 10:53AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Listen to any radio station and you'll hear plenty of them;) The ones protesting about water charges you surely heard them unless you have your head buried in the sand.

Personally knowing is different that hearing about or reading about someone or a group of people. I also have enough intelligence to know how the media works.

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