peoples sense of entitlement in Ireland

inmy64

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

dinorebel

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

It's OK Enda you'll be unemployed soon.

Bongalongherb

Here we go again comparing Ireland to the rest of the crappy EU. Who cares what they do, we need to do better for ourselves and our citizens. The EU is a disaster.

Sh1tbag OToole

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

Property tax is normal in the EU because their local governments screwed them over as well. So then it became a regular tactic for countries short on money - 'hey look, _ other EU country made 'em pay every year for living in their own houses lets try it here too'. Ireland can never be the odd one out not having property tax, water charges and post codes, our mainstream politicians have always ruled Ireland as if it were a dominion of a much larger entity, first GB now the EU.

(fractional reserve) capitalism is nearing the end of its day anyway but it has so much inertia that the powers that be will try any quick fix to sort out a fundamentally broken system. The last round of bailouts were essentially just a quick fix. The next time it will fail even more catastrophically and the powers that be will scramble to create another few trillion out of thin air in a way the markets find somewhat acceptable to keep the worldwide network of debt kind of intact for another 10-20 years.

Wasn't there a thing the other day saying Ireland was 3rd least generous, least generous being the good old US of A where you're pretty much f*cked if you don't have a full-time job or 3?

inmy64

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Wasn't there a thing the other day saying Ireland was 3rd least generous, least generous being the good old US of A where you're pretty much f*cked if you don't have a full-time job or 3?

This made me laugh, any sources?

Ice Maiden

It's not always feasible to just get a career (especially if parenting alone), it can take many many years, and there's no point in admonishing people for poor family planning if the children are already here. Contraception is not 100% reliable, many mothers become single parents because of long-term relationships ending, and some because of their partners dying.

That said, I do agree there are times when people can have a baffling "All my problems should be solved by the government rather than me" attitude. I have absolutely no problem with people in difficult financial situations being helped out by the state, but I do think they should take responsibility for themselves also.

Bongalongherb

inmy64 wrote: »

This made me laugh, any sources?

Source http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-research-ireland-2606893-Feb2016/

Sh1tbag OToole

inmy64 wrote: »

This made me laugh, any sources?

Laugh all ya want "bro". Come to think of it, you're more than likely one of those silly troll accounts and decided to warm yourself up with a low-energy dole bashing thread, so maybe you should do your own digging for 'sources' and not waste anyone else's time

jungleman

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, 1. water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "2. I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and 3. making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

4. Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, 5. look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

6. For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

1. We already pay for water. Have done for years. There was a VAT increase, and then the revelation that a portion of motor tax was going towards feeding Irish Water. People just don't feel like paying a third time around.
2. Would you really want anyone in Irish society to be living in a cramped hotel room with their children? Maybe four or five sharing a bed?
3. Ever hear of separation? Or widows/widowers? Domestic abuse? Or relationships that just don't work out?
4. This is Ireland. Not India.
5. That doesn't count for anything.
6. For a small paragraph of a post, the sense of ignorance is amazing.

Bongalongherb

I wouldn't waste another second on this thread. Todiloo, this book I'm reading is more interesting. Have a nice night, goodbye.

The Backwards Man

I think it's the same everywhere. Give a man a start and he'll work every day for a few pound. Give a man a few pound for doing nothing and he'll look for it every day.

XR3i

any chance of the start?

The Backwards Man

XR3i wrote: »

any chance of the start?

Aye no bother, just fill out this simple questionnaire for me and I'll see if you're suitable

Do you know anything about holiday pay or statutory working time directives?

Have you or any one you be chatting to down the pub ever been a member of a union?

If the answer to both is No, be here at 6.30 Monday morning

B.A._Baracus

Am pretty sure I said this before on boards....

But long story short, one of my closest friends works in Dublin City Council and a couple of years ago they were working in an office for a certain housing complex here in Dublin. The job entailed taking reports from people living there, showing new tennants the flats etc.
So one day a resident comes in and says how the lightbulb in his bathroom has gone..... and that he wants the council to not only replace it but fit it too.

Let that sink in. A person wouldnt pay even €2 euro for a bulb or even consider putting it in themselves.
Can't speak for anyone else but I find that too be the biggest height of "self entitlement" I have ever heard. Same bloke pays next to nothing in rent as it's means tests.

Panthro

Reckon I've exhaled enough air to entitle me to a few acres.
Noooooh frontage pure cuuntish!

Sam Kade

I heard a pensioner on the radio today complaining that he can't live on €220/week so he blames the government :rolleyes: What he really needs is a lesson on budgeting, more than likely his house is paid for surely at his age. You can get plenty food for €20/ week for one person esb, heating etc shouldn't break him with €200 left over.

XR3i

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Aye no bother, just fill out this simple questionnaire for me and I'll see if you're suitable

Do you know anything about holiday pay or statutory working time directives?

Have you or any one you be chatting to down the pub ever been a member of a union?

If the answer to both is No, be here at 6.30 Monday morning

arra the day is half over at 6;30, i'll be there at 5

Lights On

Sam Kade wrote: »

I heard a pensioner on the radio today complaining that he can't live on €220/week so he blames the government :rolleyes: What he really needs is a lesson on budgeting, more than likely his house is paid for surely at his age. You can get plenty food for €20/ week for one person esb, heating etc shouldn't break him with €200 left over.

€20 a week for food? You'd spend that alone on some good meat for the week. It's good to know you can have a nice retirement after you've spent your life working :rolleyes:

ninebeanrows

dinorebel wrote: »

It's OK Enda you'll be unemployed soon.

Enda is almost guaranteed to the Taoiseach again!

Sir Oxman

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/tax-avoidance-culture-still-thrives-despite-clampdown-31182697.html

the evasion_kid

what happens when peoples standard of living is raised,then asked to work for peanuts again,people like to go forward not backwards...

Pinch Flat

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Am pretty sure I said this before on boards....

But long story short, one of my closest friends works in Dublin City Council and a couple of years ago they were working in an office for a certain housing complex here in Dublin. The job entailed taking reports from people living there, showing new tennants the flats etc.
So one day a resident comes in and says how the lightbulb in his bathroom has gone..... and that he wants the council to not only replace it but fit it too.

Let that sink in. A person wouldnt pay even €2 euro for a bulb or even consider putting it in themselves.
Can't speak for anyone else but I find that too be the biggest height of "self entitlement" I have ever heard. Same bloke pays next to nothing in rent as it's means tests.

I came across a similar story in a social group a few years ago. Guy had a kid with his missus and lived in a council house - they were concerned about the toddler opening and falling out of an upstairs window. I thought surely you'll just go to a diy shop and buy a few locks or whatever. Or failing that a low tech solution with some string.

No - this was the councils problem and they'd been on to them to sort this out. I was flabbergasted that they would continue to expose their child in this manner.

Graces7

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Am pretty sure I said this before on boards....

But long story short, one of my closest friends works in Dublin City Council and a couple of years ago they were working in an office for a certain housing complex here in Dublin. The job entailed taking reports from people living there, showing new tennants the flats etc.
So one day a resident comes in and says how the lightbulb in his bathroom has gone..... and that he wants the council to not only replace it but fit it too.

Let that sink in. A person wouldnt pay even €2 euro for a bulb or even consider putting it in themselves.
Can't speak for anyone else but I find that too be the biggest height of "self entitlement" I have ever heard. Same bloke pays next to nothing in rent as it's means tests.

Would dearly LOVE someone to change my bathroom bedroom etc light bulbs.. Cannot access them as the ceiling are lofty and I cannot use a ladder ( old) I HAVE the light bulbs and will continue to use lamps etc... Actually the bathroom and kitchen lights are in special sealed units so not sure I COULD change them but would have a good try..certainly would never ask the landlord etc

Graces7

Lights On wrote: »

€20 a week for food? You'd spend that alone on some good meat for the week. It's good to know you can have a nice retirement after you've spent your life working :rolleyes:

As a pensioner I spend less that E20 on food a week. Do not like meat and cannot digest it any more. If you know where to buy food is cheap here. I eat simply but well. Most of my main meals cost under E1

Graces7

Sam Kade wrote: »

I heard a pensioner on the radio today complaining that he can't live on €220/week so he blames the government :rolleyes: What he really needs is a lesson on budgeting, more than likely his house is paid for surely at his age. You can get plenty food for €20/ week for one person esb, heating etc shouldn't break him with €200 left over.

Amen to this. He will maybe get Rent Allowance and if so will pay E34 a week rent. Heating IS an issue but we were always taught to keep one room warm. I get less than he does but know how to make it work. Of course I do not smoke or drink..

griffin100

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think it's the same everywhere. Give a man a start and he'll work every day for a few pound. Give a man a few pound for doing nothing and he'll look for it every day and you'll have a Sinn Fein voter for life

FYP

JustTheOne

20 billion a year on social welfare.

1 in 2 have medical cards.

Highest disability claimees in Europe.

There was a woman on 4fm last week.

Has 5 kids and both her and her partner are unemployed.

Says will keep having kids and its not her fault she can't find a job or her partner.

Also not looking for a house at the moment because of rent supplement but would like land maybe to build something on.

€135×5 a month
€188×2 a week
€800 a month.
Medical card.
Fuel allowance.

Etc etc. You get the picture.

Probably clearing close to €4000 a month in benefits for doing nothing.


This is what's wrong with this county, you get nothing for been honest.

But that's what happens when you have idiots like rich boy Barrett telling people he wants to put a right to a home in the constitution.

Or telling people they deserve this that and the other for doing nothing.

You want something in life go out and work for it, stop expecting the tax payer or the government to hand you free stuff.

rossmores

when people on ss have more than those who work we have crossed a line

there needs to be a total rethink on entitlements for unemployed and provision of social housing it increasing seems to be a better living option.

working people especially in the private sector are not been appreciated or represented properly in this general election where social issues seem to be paramount

The left parties are only about improving the burdening part of our economy because there is more votes to be had here

Ave Sodalis

We haven't had a good dole bashing thread in a while. Well done everyone! It's nice to be reminded of the sheer ignorance and narrowmindedness of certain people on Boards

phelixoflaherty

Is this Fidelma trying to explain her behaviour in the run up to the election.

JustTheOne

sup_dude wrote: »

We haven't had a good dole bashing thread in a while. Well done everyone! It's nice to be reminded of the sheer ignorance and narrowmindedness of certain people on Boards

When tax payers money is been spent in such an enormous way they have a right to question it.

You never hear anyone saying thank you to the tax payer for helping me have a roof over my head and a decent life.

Never any appreciation.

Its always just people giving out about how they want more.

Arbiter of Good Taste

Lights On wrote: »

€20 a week for food? You'd spend that alone on some good meat for the week. It's good to know you can have a nice retirement after you've spent your life working :rolleyes:

Someone who has spent their life working and hasn't provided for their retirement over and above living off the state pension shouldn't be eating good meat.

arayess

of course there are gougers and layabouts and abusers of the system.
But most people aren't like that.
I like that my taxes are spent on providing a social net for people down on their luck and it doesn't bother me if a few scroungers get by because my tax helps the 99% who are genuine.

I'm guessing the OP is one of those who thinks a zero hours contract is a great thing as it teaches people to work harder in school.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Graces7 wrote: »

Would dearly LOVE someone to change my bathroom bedroom etc light bulbs.. Cannot access them as the ceiling are lofty and I cannot use a ladder ( old) I HAVE the light bulbs and will continue to use lamps etc... Actually the bathroom and kitchen lights are in special sealed units so not sure I COULD change them but would have a good try..certainly would never ask the landlord etc

That's desperate! PM me if you're anywhere near Swords or Drogheda and I'll change those for you for nothing. God love ya.

the evasion_kid

JustTheOne wrote: »

When tax payers money is been spent in such an enormous way they have a right to question it.

You never hear anyone saying thank you to the tax payer for helping me have a roof over my head and a decent life.

Never any appreciation.

Its always just people giving out about how they want more.

remind me of the dole figures during the boom again....

JustTheOne

the evasion_kid wrote: »

remind me of the dole figures during the boom again....

This is not just about the dole though.

Its about all the other entitlements people want to claim though.

1 in 2 with medical cards is scandalous.

the evasion_kid

JustTheOne wrote: »

This is not just about the dole though.

Its about all the other entitlements people want to claim though.

1 in 2 with medical cards is scandalous.

typical right winger...,shooting in the wrong direction...

Graces7

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

Someone who has spent their life working and hasn't provided for their retirement over and above living off the state pension shouldn't be eating good m eat.

Totally gobsmacked. REALLY!

Graces7

JustTheOne wrote: »

This is not just about the dole though.

Its about all the other entitlements people want to claim though.

1 in 2 with medical cards is scandalous.

Hard for me to appreciate this as I am English and we have the NHS there..so used to it all being " free" ie we paid when we were working in NI stamps. But when I hear folk on the borderline saying they cannot afford to go to the doctor? Then they get sicker. Living on the dole is not easy but many countries only have folk on that for a time then it gets cut.

arayess

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U.

They might be the norm elsewhere but that doesn't mean we need to follow suit.

Your argument is stupid in the extreme -
Do you think Sweden are looking at us and saying "Look the irish pay a second mortgage on childcare , we must do similar"
No they aren't
Things are done differently in different places. Different values are important in different places.

inmy64 wrote: »

Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception?

Because some people are priced out of the market and need a place to live.

A person's value to society shouldn't measured in what they earn or their job. That's a society I'd hate to be part off. I believe that everybody should work but some people can't find jobs as easy as others , some people are just less employable. Why turn your back on these people?

Such elitist crap that only the well off should have kids.

You have totally ignored the fact that circumstances change...

I bought my house at age 24 with a 35 year mortgage , should I expect that my circumstances won't change over 35 years. In the 14 years I've had the house they've changed economically twice , I'd guess I'm not alone in that the last decade was fairly messed up in the economy.
Your point is more than naive , it's out of the Tory party handbook

I wouldn't pay for water. I'm against property tax on a family home as everybody needs a home that is secure. Also I bought my home with money that was already taxed @ 42% (plus PRSI) I've paid enough tax. thanks.
Investment property fire away tax the fcuk out of them.,

inmy64 wrote: »

Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

They don't get the house, they live in it. The mortgage folk get an asset at the end of the day that is what they are paying for.

inmy64 wrote: »

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

as somebody said we aren't India. The fact that you would compare us to some sh1t hole is staggering. I would guess you know f all about the world at large .

inmy64 wrote: »

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

I think you are talking through your hoop and your social analysis comes via the daily mail, katie hopkins and jeremy kyle , taking extreme examples as the norm.
most people work hard and prefer a job.
some don't but I'd rather live in a society that protected all people even if a few work shy fools slipped through.

It's hard enough to get the dole or any benefits these days.

one of my workers was kicked off the sick benefit despite being sick and certified. She was called into an interview with some civil servant (not a doctor) asked about 20 questions and told " thanks" 2 weeks later she got a letter saying that her benefit was cancelled and she could appeal.

she needed the money so couldn't appeal - you get no benefit while appealing which takes 3 months.
so she'd to go on the dole for 9 months and then they kicked her off that.
Her story isn't unique. As her employer I know she wasn't up for work but i'd to take her back cos I wasn't going to see her starve

PokeHerKing

I should get an extra 188e in my wage, I should get 800e towards my mortgage/rent every month, I should have a medical card.

When the working man/woman is entitled to the above you will no longer have "dole bashing " threads.

I'm not pro capitalism, bring on this socialist paradise I say but it must be for all, otherwise its just reverse capitalism.

Graces7

arayess wrote: »

They might be the norm elsewhere but that doesn't mean we need to follow suit.

Your argument is stupid in the extreme -
Do you think Sweden are looking at us and saying "Look the irish pay a second mortgage on childcare , we must do similar"
No they aren't
Things are done differently in different places. Different values are important in different places.



Because some people are priced out of the market and need a place to live.

A person's value to society shouldn't measured in what they earn or their job. That's a society I'd hate to be part off. I believe that everybody should work but some people can't find jobs as easy as others , some people are just more employable. Why turn your back on these people?

Such elitist crap that only the well off should have kids.

You have totally ignored the fact that circumstances change...

I bought my house at age 24 with a 35 year mortgage , should I expect that my circumstances won't change over 35 years. In the 14 years I've had the house they've changed economically twice , I'd guess I'm not alone in that the last decade was fairly messed up in the economy.
Your point is more than naive , it's out of the Tory party handbook

I wouldn't pay for water. I'm against property tax on a family home as everybody needs a home that is secure. Also I bought my home with money that was already taxed @ 42% (plus PRSI) I've paid enough tax. thanks.
Investment property fire away tax the fcuk out of them.,


They don't get the house, they live in it. The mortgage folk get an assets at the end of the day.


as somebody said we aren't India. The fact that you would compare us to some sh1t hole is staggering. I would guess you know f all about the world at large .




I think you are talking through your hoop and your social analysis comes via the daily mail, katie hopkins and jeremy kyle , taking extreme examples as the norm.
most people work hard and prefer a job.
some don't but I'd rather live in a society that protected all people even if a few work shy fools slipped through.

It's hard enough to get the dole or any benefits these days.

one of my workers was kicked off the sick benefit despite being sick and certified. She was called into an interview with some civil servant (not a doctor) asked about 20 questions and told " thanks" 2 weeks later she got a letter saying that her benefit was cancelled and she could appeal.

she needed the money so couldn't appeal - you get no benefit while appealing which takes 3 months.
so she'd to go on the dole for 9 months and then they kicked her off that.
Her story isn't unique. As her employer I know she wasn't up for work but i'd to take her back cos I wasn't going to see her starve

Well done,, always broke me down in the UK when I had to fight and wait for benefits like that. Has he talked to Citizens Info by the way? I cheered when I reached pension age as I no longer had to "prove" anything..the stress adds to the illness.

ShiverinEskimo

the evasion_kid wrote: »

typical right winger...,shooting in the wrong direction...

Typical left winger, it's all hugs, victim complexes and entitlement.

The left have stripped the welfare class of any and all motivation to change the generational welfare lifestyle by convincing them it's everyone else's fault, especially the taxpayer funding them.

Arbiter of Good Taste

Graces7 wrote: »

Totally gobsmacked. REALLY!

Explain.

You said yourself that you can eat well cheaply. Is it not reasonable that if someone doesn't make provisions for their future, then they shouldn't expect to be dining on fillet steak?

The poster states that someone who has worked all their life should be able to eat good meat. Yes they should, if they can afford it. If not, then they need to live within their means - just as you do. What is so shockng about that?

Superhorse

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

I know the cheek of them paying taxes and expecting services.

Let them eat cheese.

bobbysands81

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

God forbid you ever fall ill, or have an accident or a mental illness hits you because you'll be glad then that Ireland has a safety net that catches people and tries to help them back on their feet... it's not a perfect system we have but it's better than nothing.

I'm happy to pay a large slice of my wages to help the most vulnerable and needy in society. Way too many people just interested in themselves and not trying to help others who haven't had a life as privileged.

Shrap

JustTheOne wrote: »

When tax payers money is been spent in such an enormous way they have a right to question it.

You never hear anyone saying thank you to the tax payer for helping me have a roof over my head and a decent life.

Never any appreciation.

Its always just people giving out about how they want more.

Do you never, ever wonder WHY you only ever hear from the "people giving out about how they want more", and not anyone saying thank you for supporting me through hard times? When you open a newspaper for the latest shock/horror story about the single mum of 10 on 60,000e a year complaining how the fuel allowance doesn't stretch now she's brought the kiddies to Spain for a week.....you fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Doesn't ever occur to you that reports of people who are very grateful and appreciative don't sell newspapers, no? :rolleyes:

So for what it's worth (and I'm thinking not very much in a thread where someone actually advocated putting families on the dole in camps, not houses...) THANK YOU.

When I separated from my abusive husband and myself and the two boys were supported since then to live in our own house and get an education, while I work to better my circumstances and find employment (always difficult when your child has special needs and I have to be at the school at the drop of a hat, often twice a week), I had always wanted to apologise to someone specifically for pissing them off by this not being India and me not ending up on the streets. Oh, and thank them for their taxes that enable me to be up here online so that my kids actually might have the same opportunities as kids from employed people to become employable and employed themselves.

I am genuinely grateful actually, but you have come across as such a monumental ..eh..."person who lacks any empathy" (for want of a better word) that it's been difficult to sound like I mean it.

Oh, and inmy64 - your thread is a wonderful example of exactly what a sense of entitlement means, but not in the way you think......

spakman

Superhorse wrote: »

I know the cheek of them paying taxes and expecting services.

Let them eat cheese.

There are the payers and the payees.
The payers get on with making a life and home for themselves and their families.
The payees are the ones with the sense of entitlement and the hand out.

Arbiter of Good Taste

arayess wrote: »

I'm guessing you aren't dying at the min.
It's easy to pontificate about a situation that you aren't in or never were.
It's also idiotic.

1 in 2 have medical cards in this country.
1 in 2 are not dying, unless you consider the general human condition is constantly heading towards death.

1 in 2 people do not need medical cards. What we do need is more supports for people with Down's syndrome, cystic fibrosis, dementia and a who.e host of other conditions.

People are not complaining about helping those who need it. People are sick and tired over the sense of entitlement among people who can very well get up off their asses and fix their own problems if they really wanted to.

Arbiter of Good Taste

bobbysands81 wrote: »

God forbid you ever fall ill, or have an accident or a mental illness hits you because you'll be glad then that Ireland has a safety net that catches people and tries to help them back on their feet... it's not a perfect system we have but it's better than nothing.

I'm happy to pay a large slice of my wages to help the most vulnerable and needy in society. Way too many people just interested in themselves and not trying to help others who haven't had a life as privileged.

And most people are. Unfortunately the definition of "vulnerable" and "needy" is too wide in this country.

the evasion_kid

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Typical left winger, it's all hugs, victim complexes and entitlement.

The left have stripped the welfare class of any and all motivation to change the generational welfare lifestyle by convincing them it's everyone else's fault, especially the taxpayer funding them.

the old saying "rich people,paying rich people to tell middle class people,to blame poor people" springs to mind reading your waffle