peoples sense of entitlement in Ireland

inmy64 · 20-02-2016 02:39AM #1

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

dinorebel · 20-02-2016 02:41AM

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

It's OK Enda you'll be unemployed soon.

Bongalongherb · 20-02-2016 02:43AM

Here we go again comparing Ireland to the rest of the crappy EU. Who cares what they do, we need to do better for ourselves and our citizens. The EU is a disaster.

Sh1tbag OToole · 20-02-2016 02:50AM

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

Property tax is normal in the EU because their local governments screwed them over as well. So then it became a regular tactic for countries short on money - 'hey look, _ other EU country made 'em pay every year for living in their own houses lets try it here too'. Ireland can never be the odd one out not having property tax, water charges and post codes, our mainstream politicians have always ruled Ireland as if it were a dominion of a much larger entity, first GB now the EU.

(fractional reserve) capitalism is nearing the end of its day anyway but it has so much inertia that the powers that be will try any quick fix to sort out a fundamentally broken system. The last round of bailouts were essentially just a quick fix. The next time it will fail even more catastrophically and the powers that be will scramble to create another few trillion out of thin air in a way the markets find somewhat acceptable to keep the worldwide network of debt kind of intact for another 10-20 years.

Wasn't there a thing the other day saying Ireland was 3rd least generous, least generous being the good old US of A where you're pretty much f*cked if you don't have a full-time job or 3?

inmy64 · 20-02-2016 02:53AM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Wasn't there a thing the other day saying Ireland was 3rd least generous, least generous being the good old US of A where you're pretty much f*cked if you don't have a full-time job or 3?

This made me laugh, any sources?

Ice Maiden · 20-02-2016 02:57AM

It's not always feasible to just get a career (especially if parenting alone), it can take many many years, and there's no point in admonishing people for poor family planning if the children are already here. Contraception is not 100% reliable, many mothers become single parents because of long-term relationships ending, and some because of their partners dying.

That said, I do agree there are times when people can have a baffling "All my problems should be solved by the government rather than me" attitude. I have absolutely no problem with people in difficult financial situations being helped out by the state, but I do think they should take responsibility for themselves also.

Bongalongherb · 20-02-2016 02:58AM

inmy64 wrote: »

This made me laugh, any sources?

Source http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-research-ireland-2606893-Feb2016/

Sh1tbag OToole · 20-02-2016 02:59AM

inmy64 wrote: »

This made me laugh, any sources?

Laugh all ya want "bro". Come to think of it, you're more than likely one of those silly troll accounts and decided to warm yourself up with a low-energy dole bashing thread, so maybe you should do your own digging for 'sources' and not waste anyone else's time

jungleman · 20-02-2016 03:05AM

inmy64 wrote: »

It really annoys me, 1. water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "2. I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and 3. making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

4. Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, 5. look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

6. For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

We already pay for water. Have done for years. There was a VAT increase, and then the revelation that a portion of motor tax was going towards feeding Irish Water. People just don't feel like paying a third time around.
Would you really want anyone in Irish society to be living in a cramped hotel room with their children? Maybe four or five sharing a bed?
Ever hear of separation? Or widows/widowers? Domestic abuse? Or relationships that just don't work out?
This is Ireland. Not India.
That doesn't count for anything.
For a small paragraph of a post, the sense of ignorance is amazing.

Bongalongherb · 20-02-2016 03:11AM

I wouldn't waste another second on this thread. Todiloo, this book I'm reading is more interesting. Have a nice night, goodbye.

The Backwards Man · 20-02-2016 03:15AM

I think it's the same everywhere. Give a man a start and he'll work every day for a few pound. Give a man a few pound for doing nothing and he'll look for it every day.

XR3i · 20-02-2016 03:24AM

any chance of the start?

The Backwards Man · 20-02-2016 03:33AM

XR3i wrote: »

any chance of the start?

Aye no bother, just fill out this simple questionnaire for me and I'll see if you're suitable

Do you know anything about holiday pay or statutory working time directives?

Have you or any one you be chatting to down the pub ever been a member of a union?

If the answer to both is No, be here at 6.30 Monday morning

B.A._Baracus · 20-02-2016 03:34AM

Am pretty sure I said this before on boards....

But long story short, one of my closest friends works in Dublin City Council and a couple of years ago they were working in an office for a certain housing complex here in Dublin. The job entailed taking reports from people living there, showing new tennants the flats etc.
So one day a resident comes in and says how the lightbulb in his bathroom has gone..... and that he wants the council to not only replace it but fit it too.

Let that sink in. A person wouldnt pay even €2 euro for a bulb or even consider putting it in themselves.
Can't speak for anyone else but I find that too be the biggest height of "self entitlement" I have ever heard. Same bloke pays next to nothing in rent as it's means tests.

Panthro · 20-02-2016 03:37AM

Reckon I've exhaled enough air to entitle me to a few acres.
Noooooh frontage pure cuuntish!

Sam Kade · 20-02-2016 03:55AM

I heard a pensioner on the radio today complaining that he can't live on €220/week so he blames the government :rolleyes: What he really needs is a lesson on budgeting, more than likely his house is paid for surely at his age. You can get plenty food for €20/ week for one person esb, heating etc shouldn't break him with €200 left over.

XR3i · 20-02-2016 03:59AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Aye no bother, just fill out this simple questionnaire for me and I'll see if you're suitable

Do you know anything about holiday pay or statutory working time directives?

Have you or any one you be chatting to down the pub ever been a member of a union?

If the answer to both is No, be here at 6.30 Monday morning

arra the day is half over at 6;30, i'll be there at 5

Lights On · 20-02-2016 04:17AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

I heard a pensioner on the radio today complaining that he can't live on €220/week so he blames the government :rolleyes: What he really needs is a lesson on budgeting, more than likely his house is paid for surely at his age. You can get plenty food for €20/ week for one person esb, heating etc shouldn't break him with €200 left over.

€20 a week for food? You'd spend that alone on some good meat for the week. It's good to know you can have a nice retirement after you've spent your life working :rolleyes:

ninebeanrows · 20-02-2016 04:25AM

dinorebel wrote: »

It's OK Enda you'll be unemployed soon.

Enda is almost guaranteed to the Taoiseach again!

Sir Oxman · 20-02-2016 06:05AM

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/tax-avoidance-culture-still-thrives-despite-clampdown-31182697.html

the evasion_kid · 20-02-2016 07:35AM

what happens when peoples standard of living is raised,then asked to work for peanuts again,people like to go forward not backwards...

Pinch Flat · 20-02-2016 07:43AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Am pretty sure I said this before on boards....

But long story short, one of my closest friends works in Dublin City Council and a couple of years ago they were working in an office for a certain housing complex here in Dublin. The job entailed taking reports from people living there, showing new tennants the flats etc.
So one day a resident comes in and says how the lightbulb in his bathroom has gone..... and that he wants the council to not only replace it but fit it too.

Let that sink in. A person wouldnt pay even €2 euro for a bulb or even consider putting it in themselves.
Can't speak for anyone else but I find that too be the biggest height of "self entitlement" I have ever heard. Same bloke pays next to nothing in rent as it's means tests.

I came across a similar story in a social group a few years ago. Guy had a kid with his missus and lived in a council house - they were concerned about the toddler opening and falling out of an upstairs window. I thought surely you'll just go to a diy shop and buy a few locks or whatever. Or failing that a low tech solution with some string.

No - this was the councils problem and they'd been on to them to sort this out. I was flabbergasted that they would continue to expose their child in this manner.

Graces7 · 20-02-2016 08:01AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Am pretty sure I said this before on boards....

But long story short, one of my closest friends works in Dublin City Council and a couple of years ago they were working in an office for a certain housing complex here in Dublin. The job entailed taking reports from people living there, showing new tennants the flats etc.
So one day a resident comes in and says how the lightbulb in his bathroom has gone..... and that he wants the council to not only replace it but fit it too.

Let that sink in. A person wouldnt pay even €2 euro for a bulb or even consider putting it in themselves.
Can't speak for anyone else but I find that too be the biggest height of "self entitlement" I have ever heard. Same bloke pays next to nothing in rent as it's means tests.

Would dearly LOVE someone to change my bathroom bedroom etc light bulbs.. Cannot access them as the ceiling are lofty and I cannot use a ladder ( old) I HAVE the light bulbs and will continue to use lamps etc... Actually the bathroom and kitchen lights are in special sealed units so not sure I COULD change them but would have a good try..certainly would never ask the landlord etc

Graces7 · 20-02-2016 08:03AM

Lights On wrote: »

€20 a week for food? You'd spend that alone on some good meat for the week. It's good to know you can have a nice retirement after you've spent your life working :rolleyes:

As a pensioner I spend less that E20 on food a week. Do not like meat and cannot digest it any more. If you know where to buy food is cheap here. I eat simply but well. Most of my main meals cost under E1

Graces7 · 20-02-2016 08:07AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

I heard a pensioner on the radio today complaining that he can't live on €220/week so he blames the government :rolleyes: What he really needs is a lesson on budgeting, more than likely his house is paid for surely at his age. You can get plenty food for €20/ week for one person esb, heating etc shouldn't break him with €200 left over.

Amen to this. He will maybe get Rent Allowance and if so will pay E34 a week rent. Heating IS an issue but we were always taught to keep one room warm. I get less than he does but know how to make it work. Of course I do not smoke or drink..

griffin100 · 20-02-2016 08:45AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think it's the same everywhere. Give a man a start and he'll work every day for a few pound. Give a man a few pound for doing nothing and he'll look for it every day and you'll have a Sinn Fein voter for life

FYP

JustTheOne · 20-02-2016 08:54AM

20 billion a year on social welfare.

1 in 2 have medical cards.

Highest disability claimees in Europe.

There was a woman on 4fm last week.

Has 5 kids and both her and her partner are unemployed.

Says will keep having kids and its not her fault she can't find a job or her partner.

Also not looking for a house at the moment because of rent supplement but would like land maybe to build something on.

€135×5 a month
€188×2 a week
€800 a month.
Medical card.
Fuel allowance.

Etc etc. You get the picture.

Probably clearing close to €4000 a month in benefits for doing nothing.

This is what's wrong with this county, you get nothing for been honest.

But that's what happens when you have idiots like rich boy Barrett telling people he wants to put a right to a home in the constitution.

Or telling people they deserve this that and the other for doing nothing.

You want something in life go out and work for it, stop expecting the tax payer or the government to hand you free stuff.

rossmores · 20-02-2016 09:00AM

when people on ss have more than those who work we have crossed a line

there needs to be a total rethink on entitlements for unemployed and provision of social housing it increasing seems to be a better living option.

working people especially in the private sector are not been appreciated or represented properly in this general election where social issues seem to be paramount

The left parties are only about improving the burdening part of our economy because there is more votes to be had here

Ave Sodalis · 20-02-2016 09:07AM

We haven't had a good dole bashing thread in a while. Well done everyone! It's nice to be reminded of the sheer ignorance and narrowmindedness of certain people on Boards

phelixoflaherty · 20-02-2016 09:07AM

Is this Fidelma trying to explain her behaviour in the run up to the election.

JustTheOne · 20-02-2016 09:11AM

sup_dude wrote: »

We haven't had a good dole bashing thread in a while. Well done everyone! It's nice to be reminded of the sheer ignorance and narrowmindedness of certain people on Boards

When tax payers money is been spent in such an enormous way they have a right to question it.

You never hear anyone saying thank you to the tax payer for helping me have a roof over my head and a decent life.

Never any appreciation.

Its always just people giving out about how they want more.

peoples sense of entitlement in Ireland

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