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peoples sense of entitlement in Ireland

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  • #32
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Lights On wrote: »
    €20 a week for food? You'd spend that alone on some good meat for the week. It's good to know you can have a nice retirement after you've spent your life working :rolleyes:

    Someone who has spent their life working and hasn't provided for their retirement over and above living off the state pension shouldn't be eating good meat.


  • #33
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    of course there are gougers and layabouts and abusers of the system.
    But most people aren't like that.
    I like that my taxes are spent on providing a social net for people down on their luck and it doesn't bother me if a few scroungers get by because my tax helps the 99% who are genuine.

    I'm guessing the OP is one of those who thinks a zero hours contract is a great thing as it teaches people to work harder in school.


  • #34
    Aint Eazy Being Cheezy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Would dearly LOVE someone to change my bathroom bedroom etc light bulbs.. Cannot access them as the ceiling are lofty and I cannot use a ladder ( old) I HAVE the light bulbs and will continue to use lamps etc... Actually the bathroom and kitchen lights are in special sealed units so not sure I COULD change them but would have a good try..certainly would never ask the landlord etc

    That's desperate! PM me if you're anywhere near Swords or Drogheda and I'll change those for you for nothing. God love ya.


  • #35
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    When tax payers money is been spent in such an enormous way they have a right to question it.

    You never hear anyone saying thank you to the tax payer for helping me have a roof over my head and a decent life.

    Never any appreciation.

    Its always just people giving out about how they want more.


    remind me of the dole figures during the boom again....


  • #36
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    remind me of the dole figures during the boom again....

    This is not just about the dole though.

    Its about all the other entitlements people want to claim though.

    1 in 2 with medical cards is scandalous.


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  • #37
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    This is not just about the dole though.

    Its about all the other entitlements people want to claim though.

    1 in 2 with medical cards is scandalous.

    typical right winger...,shooting in the wrong direction...


  • #38
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »
    Someone who has spent their life working and hasn't provided for their retirement over and above living off the state pension shouldn't be eating good m eat.

    Totally gobsmacked. REALLY!


  • #39
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    This is not just about the dole though.

    Its about all the other entitlements people want to claim though.

    1 in 2 with medical cards is scandalous.

    Hard for me to appreciate this as I am English and we have the NHS there..so used to it all being " free" ie we paid when we were working in NI stamps. But when I hear folk on the borderline saying they cannot afford to go to the doctor? Then they get sicker. Living on the dole is not easy but many countries only have folk on that for a time then it gets cut.


  • #40
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    inmy64 wrote: »
    It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U.

    They might be the norm elsewhere but that doesn't mean we need to follow suit.

    Your argument is stupid in the extreme -
    Do you think Sweden are looking at us and saying "Look the irish pay a second mortgage on childcare , we must do similar"
    No they aren't
    Things are done differently in different places. Different values are important in different places.
    inmy64 wrote: »
    Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception?

    Because some people are priced out of the market and need a place to live.

    A person's value to society shouldn't measured in what they earn or their job. That's a society I'd hate to be part off. I believe that everybody should work but some people can't find jobs as easy as others , some people are just less employable. Why turn your back on these people?

    Such elitist crap that only the well off should have kids.

    You have totally ignored the fact that circumstances change...

    I bought my house at age 24 with a 35 year mortgage , should I expect that my circumstances won't change over 35 years. In the 14 years I've had the house they've changed economically twice , I'd guess I'm not alone in that the last decade was fairly messed up in the economy.
    Your point is more than naive , it's out of the Tory party handbook

    I wouldn't pay for water. I'm against property tax on a family home as everybody needs a home that is secure. Also I bought my home with money that was already taxed @ 42% (plus PRSI) I've paid enough tax. thanks.
    Investment property fire away tax the fcuk out of them.,
    inmy64 wrote: »
    Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?
    They don't get the house, they live in it. The mortgage folk get an asset at the end of the day that is what they are paying for.
    inmy64 wrote: »
    Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.
    as somebody said we aren't India. The fact that you would compare us to some sh1t hole is staggering. I would guess you know f all about the world at large .

    inmy64 wrote: »
    For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

    I think you are talking through your hoop and your social analysis comes via the daily mail, katie hopkins and jeremy kyle , taking extreme examples as the norm.
    most people work hard and prefer a job.
    some don't but I'd rather live in a society that protected all people even if a few work shy fools slipped through.

    It's hard enough to get the dole or any benefits these days.

    one of my workers was kicked off the sick benefit despite being sick and certified. She was called into an interview with some civil servant (not a doctor) asked about 20 questions and told " thanks" 2 weeks later she got a letter saying that her benefit was cancelled and she could appeal.

    she needed the money so couldn't appeal - you get no benefit while appealing which takes 3 months.
    so she'd to go on the dole for 9 months and then they kicked her off that.
    Her story isn't unique. As her employer I know she wasn't up for work but i'd to take her back cos I wasn't going to see her starve


  • #41
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I should get an extra 188e in my wage, I should get 800e towards my mortgage/rent every month, I should have a medical card.

    When the working man/woman is entitled to the above you will no longer have "dole bashing " threads.

    I'm not pro capitalism, bring on this socialist paradise I say but it must be for all, otherwise its just reverse capitalism.


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  • #42
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    arayess wrote: »
    They might be the norm elsewhere but that doesn't mean we need to follow suit.

    Your argument is stupid in the extreme -
    Do you think Sweden are looking at us and saying "Look the irish pay a second mortgage on childcare , we must do similar"
    No they aren't
    Things are done differently in different places. Different values are important in different places.



    Because some people are priced out of the market and need a place to live.

    A person's value to society shouldn't measured in what they earn or their job. That's a society I'd hate to be part off. I believe that everybody should work but some people can't find jobs as easy as others , some people are just more employable. Why turn your back on these people?

    Such elitist crap that only the well off should have kids.

    You have totally ignored the fact that circumstances change...

    I bought my house at age 24 with a 35 year mortgage , should I expect that my circumstances won't change over 35 years. In the 14 years I've had the house they've changed economically twice , I'd guess I'm not alone in that the last decade was fairly messed up in the economy.
    Your point is more than naive , it's out of the Tory party handbook

    I wouldn't pay for water. I'm against property tax on a family home as everybody needs a home that is secure. Also I bought my home with money that was already taxed @ 42% (plus PRSI) I've paid enough tax. thanks.
    Investment property fire away tax the fcuk out of them.,


    They don't get the house, they live in it. The mortgage folk get an assets at the end of the day.


    as somebody said we aren't India. The fact that you would compare us to some sh1t hole is staggering. I would guess you know f all about the world at large .




    I think you are talking through your hoop and your social analysis comes via the daily mail, katie hopkins and jeremy kyle , taking extreme examples as the norm.
    most people work hard and prefer a job.
    some don't but I'd rather live in a society that protected all people even if a few work shy fools slipped through.

    It's hard enough to get the dole or any benefits these days.

    one of my workers was kicked off the sick benefit despite being sick and certified. She was called into an interview with some civil servant (not a doctor) asked about 20 questions and told " thanks" 2 weeks later she got a letter saying that her benefit was cancelled and she could appeal.

    she needed the money so couldn't appeal - you get no benefit while appealing which takes 3 months.
    so she'd to go on the dole for 9 months and then they kicked her off that.
    Her story isn't unique. As her employer I know she wasn't up for work but i'd to take her back cos I wasn't going to see her starve

    Well done,, always broke me down in the UK when I had to fight and wait for benefits like that. Has he talked to Citizens Info by the way? I cheered when I reached pension age as I no longer had to "prove" anything..the stress adds to the illness.


  • #43
    ShiverinEskimo
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    typical right winger...,shooting in the wrong direction...

    Typical left winger, it's all hugs, victim complexes and entitlement.

    The left have stripped the welfare class of any and all motivation to change the generational welfare lifestyle by convincing them it's everyone else's fault, especially the taxpayer funding them.


  • #44
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Totally gobsmacked. REALLY!

    Explain.

    You said yourself that you can eat well cheaply. Is it not reasonable that if someone doesn't make provisions for their future, then they shouldn't expect to be dining on fillet steak?

    The poster states that someone who has worked all their life should be able to eat good meat. Yes they should, if they can afford it. If not, then they need to live within their means - just as you do. What is so shockng about that?


  • #45
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    inmy64 wrote: »
    It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

    Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

    For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

    I know the cheek of them paying taxes and expecting services.

    Let them eat cheese.


  • #46
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    inmy64 wrote: »
    It really annoys me, water charges and property tax is normal in the majority of countries in the E.U. Certain people on tv saying "I cant get a house i'm living in a hotel with my kids'. How about getting a career and making sure your in a stable relationship before having kids and ever hear of contraception? Why should you get a house worth 250k while others work hard and have to pay their mortgage?

    Look up the amount of people living in slums in the world, might be in for a shock, look up the rate of welfare Ireland gets compared to other countries.

    For a lowly densed country our sense of entitlement is amazing.

    God forbid you ever fall ill, or have an accident or a mental illness hits you because you'll be glad then that Ireland has a safety net that catches people and tries to help them back on their feet... it's not a perfect system we have but it's better than nothing.

    I'm happy to pay a large slice of my wages to help the most vulnerable and needy in society. Way too many people just interested in themselves and not trying to help others who haven't had a life as privileged.


  • #47
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    When tax payers money is been spent in such an enormous way they have a right to question it.

    You never hear anyone saying thank you to the tax payer for helping me have a roof over my head and a decent life.

    Never any appreciation.

    Its always just people giving out about how they want more.

    Do you never, ever wonder WHY you only ever hear from the "people giving out about how they want more", and not anyone saying thank you for supporting me through hard times? When you open a newspaper for the latest shock/horror story about the single mum of 10 on 60,000e a year complaining how the fuel allowance doesn't stretch now she's brought the kiddies to Spain for a week.....you fall for it hook, line and sinker.

    Doesn't ever occur to you that reports of people who are very grateful and appreciative don't sell newspapers, no? :rolleyes:

    So for what it's worth (and I'm thinking not very much in a thread where someone actually advocated putting families on the dole in camps, not houses...) THANK YOU.

    When I separated from my abusive husband and myself and the two boys were supported since then to live in our own house and get an education, while I work to better my circumstances and find employment (always difficult when your child has special needs and I have to be at the school at the drop of a hat, often twice a week), I had always wanted to apologise to someone specifically for pissing them off by this not being India and me not ending up on the streets. Oh, and thank them for their taxes that enable me to be up here online so that my kids actually might have the same opportunities as kids from employed people to become employable and employed themselves.

    I am genuinely grateful actually, but you have come across as such a monumental ..eh..."person who lacks any empathy" (for want of a better word) that it's been difficult to sound like I mean it.

    Oh, and inmy64 - your thread is a wonderful example of exactly what a sense of entitlement means, but not in the way you think......


  • #48
    spakman
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    Superhorse wrote: »
    I know the cheek of them paying taxes and expecting services.

    Let them eat cheese.

    There are the payers and the payees.
    The payers get on with making a life and home for themselves and their families.
    The payees are the ones with the sense of entitlement and the hand out.


  • #49
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    arayess wrote: »
    I'm guessing you aren't dying at the min.
    It's easy to pontificate about a situation that you aren't in or never were.
    It's also idiotic.

    1 in 2 have medical cards in this country.
    1 in 2 are not dying, unless you consider the general human condition is constantly heading towards death.

    1 in 2 people do not need medical cards. What we do need is more supports for people with Down's syndrome, cystic fibrosis, dementia and a who.e host of other conditions.

    People are not complaining about helping those who need it. People are sick and tired over the sense of entitlement among people who can very well get up off their asses and fix their own problems if they really wanted to.


  • #50
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    God forbid you ever fall ill, or have an accident or a mental illness hits you because you'll be glad then that Ireland has a safety net that catches people and tries to help them back on their feet... it's not a perfect system we have but it's better than nothing.

    I'm happy to pay a large slice of my wages to help the most vulnerable and needy in society. Way too many people just interested in themselves and not trying to help others who haven't had a life as privileged.

    And most people are. Unfortunately the definition of "vulnerable" and "needy" is too wide in this country.


  • #51
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    ShiverinEskimo wrote: »
    Typical left winger, it's all hugs, victim complexes and entitlement.

    The left have stripped the welfare class of any and all motivation to change the generational welfare lifestyle by convincing them it's everyone else's fault, especially the taxpayer funding them.

    the old saying "rich people,paying rich people to tell middle class people,to blame poor people" springs to mind reading your waffle


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  • #52
    spakman
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    the old saying "rich people,paying rich people to tell middle class people,to blame poor people" springs to mind reading your waffle

    Yeah it's always "their" fault.
    If more people took on personal responsibility in this country, we'd be in a much better position.


  • #53
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    spakman wrote: »
    Yeah it's always "their" fault.
    If more people took on personal responsibility in this country, we'd be in a much better position.

    remind me of the unemployment figures during the "boom" again?


  • #54
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    spakman wrote: »
    Yeah it's always "their" fault.
    If more people took on personal responsibility in this country, we'd be in a much better position.

    Its the rich peoples fault, how dare they work hard for things lets tax them more.


  • #55
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    spakman wrote: »
    There are the payers and the payees.
    The payers get on with making a life and home for themselves and their families.
    The payees are the ones with the sense of entitlement and the hand out.

    Have kids? Payee
    Pensioner? Payee

    The above two take about 45% of Social Protection money.

    Yes, there are some (the minority) and always will be that know the system inside out and gain without input - for the vast majority circumstances change and need the safety net temporarily and believe me, they will be put through hoops to receive the flat support necessary to tide them over.

    Tabloidesque Tory bull**** won't change the above facts - I am glad there is some safety net provided in this country though I believe it should be massively overhauled - flatrate system is wrong.

    As a PAYE worker (at the minute, I don't know if the next wave of recession will null & void my employment status) I am happy to contribute so my fellow citizens who hit hard times aren't dumped on the streets and that they can eat.

    As for "socialist" paradise? We had that a few years back when the biggest transfer of wealth (social welfare for the mega-rich) happened.


  • #56
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    It's amazing.it's like the attack on social welfare is being exactly rolled out in Ireland like it was in England by the tories.the tories just wanted to portray anyone receiving social welfare as a waste of space and pushed phrases like benefit scrounger into the mindset of the average joe.

    We are a wealthy country and I for one want to see everyone living above the poverty line.a country should be measured by how it treats it's ppores citizens. As someone doing well for himself I don't care about paying extra tax as long as I know society as a whole is benefitting.I don't want to see massive inequality in Ireland.what's the point of owning a mansion if you have to drive through slums to get to it?


  • #57
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    smurgen wrote: »
    It's amazing.it's like the attack on social welfare is being exactly rolled out in Ireland like it was in England by the tories.the tories just wanted to portray anyone receiving social welfare as a waste of space and pushed phrases like benefit scrounger into the mindset of the average joe.

    We are a wealthy country and I for one want to see everyone living above the poverty line.a country should be measured by how it treats it's ppores citizens. As someone doing well for himself I don't care about paying extra tax as long as I know society as a whole is benefitting.I don't want to see massive inequality in Ireland.what's the point of owning a mansion if you have to drive through slums to get to it?

    Well It Would nice not to have to listen too how we are a poor country who doesn't look after its citizens everyday from whingers and certain politicians for once.


  • #58
    jungleman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jungleman


    Are some of you forgetting that we have just experienced a gigantic economic crash, the largest since 1929? And you're there talking about people on the dole like they're some sort of gigantic burden on you?

    Think of all of the people who lost their jobs as a result of the crash. Think of all those who left school after the crash, and couldn't afford to go to third level education. Maybe they had parents who had lost their jobs. Maybe the hike in the registration fee was too much for them. Think of the people out there who are not skilled as a result of this. Think of the businesses that closed because of the crash, of the jobs that were lost.

    It hasn't been easy for a lot of people. A few of you need to get down off your high horses and get real. Someone said that the dole should be reduced to €60 a week. Are you actually having a laugh?

    Don't get me wrong, to me there are two types of people who claim benefits - those who would rather not and who want to find work, and those who are perfectly happy to receive benefits and find no work. The latter should have their benefits reduced over a period of time if they are found to not seek work.

    But come on, it's been less than a decade since the country experienced the biggest economic crash in its history, and already you're lumping the unemployed into the category of "dole scroungers" or "burden on society"? Cop on.


  • #59
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    Here we go again comparing Ireland to the rest of the crappy EU. Who cares what they do, we need to do better for ourselves and our citizens. The EU is a disaster.

    Seems to be ok when people want to rant the other way though (Motor tax, vrt etc)


  • #60
    ShiverinEskimo
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    the old saying "rich people,paying rich people to tell middle class people,to blame poor people" springs to mind reading your waffle

    I'm not blaming the poor, I'm blaming the left wing nutjobs going round re-enacting their favourite scene from good will hunting.

    'It's not your fault, it's not your fault'.


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  • #61
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    jungleman wrote: »
    Are some of you forgetting that we have just experienced a gigantic economic crash, the largest since 1929? And you're there talking about people on the dole like they're some sort of gigantic burden on you?

    Think of all of the people who lost their jobs as a result of the crash. Think of all those who left school after the crash, and couldn't afford to go to third level education. Maybe they had parents who had lost their jobs. Maybe the hike in the registration fee was too much for them. Think of the people out there who are not skilled as a result of this. Think of the businesses that closed because of the crash, of the jobs that were lost.

    It hasn't been easy for a lot of people. A few of you need to get down off your high horses and get real. Someone said that the dole should be reduced to €60 a week. Are you actually having a laugh?

    Don't get me wrong, to me there are two types of people who claim benefits - those who would rather not and who want to find work, and those who are perfectly happy to receive benefits and find no work. The latter should have their benefits reduced over a period of time if they are found to not seek work.

    But come on, it's been less than a decade since the country experienced the biggest economic crash in its history, and already you're lumping the unemployed into the category of "dole scroungers" or "burden on society"? Cop on.


    TBH, the whinging from loony wannabe tories began from Day 1 of the crash.


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