Age of the universe

The Chieftain

robdonn wrote: »

Really? I thought it went more like this:
"Oh, you missed the link? Well here it is again."
"Thank you!"
"No problem, we all miss things sometimes. Glad I could help."

But then again, that would be spoon feeding, right?

May I suggest that some quiet prayer may help you get over your troubled time?

The Chieftain

robdonn wrote: »

That may be an appropriate response if all of Christians agreed on this point, but they don't. I don't come here and demand they explain their reasons for believing in God, but you are making a claim that many churches do not agree with. It is a discussion that is completely valid to have in a Christian forum and there is no rule against atheists joining in.

Well, maybe that should be changed. This is not really a forum to discuss Christianity, but a playground for atheists and secularists getting their jollies off.

Delirium

pauldla wrote: »

I don't see my situation as a problem; certainly not compared to those poor misguided ill-informed wretches who insist that the world is 6000 years old.

MOD NOTE

Please remember this is the Christianity.

Youth Earth Creationists, as well as any other Christians, are entitled to their faith without people posting insults about their beliefs.

Please bear this in mind when posting in future.

Thanks for your attention.

sbsquarepants

The Chieftain wrote: »

I should point out to those suffering from this dangerous narrowing of their lexicographical arteries, that one common meaning of the word "bible" is a copy or edition of the bible, which may contain other material in addition to the cannonical books themselves.

So seeing as you have appointed yourself as the Susie Dent of the Christianity forum. By your impeccable logic, that means that any book which contains the bible, is the bible. Somewhat of a slippery slope there, do you not think?

Actually don't answer that - you clearly do not think!

The Chieftain

sbsquarepants wrote: »

So seeing as you have appointed yourself as the Susie Dent of the Christianity forum. By your impeccable logic, that means that any book which contains the bible, is the bible. Somewhat of a slippery slope there, do you not think?

Actually don't answer that - you clearly do not think!

If you want to take issue with standard English useage, then go ahead. Brave, very brave. But if you don't quite get all that, then you may want to engage in some quiet reflection.

solodeogloria

The Chieftain wrote: »

Well, maybe that should be changed. This is not really a forum to discuss Christianity, but a playground for atheists and secularists getting their jollies off.

Good morning!

I said I was going to wait until later to reply. But two passages from the Bible. One for what our conduct with our brothers and sisters in Christ should look like. One for how we should relate to non-Christians:

John 13:34-35 wrote:

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Colossians 4:5-6 wrote:

Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person

We need to honour our Lord and love those with whom we disagree. Our words matter. We need to see people as Jesus did or we dishonour Him.

Much thanks in Christ,
solodeogloria

galljga1

The Chieftain wrote: »

You can fill in the rest. It goes
Oh yes it has!

Repeat as necessary.

Please be a good christian and provide the link again. The only link I can find is a link to a page referring to that most eminent Irish man James Ussher.

The Chieftain

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning!

I said I was going to wait until later to reply. But two passages from the Bible. One for what our conduct with our brothers and sisters in Christ should look like. One for how we should relate to non-Christians:





We need to honour our Lord and love those with whom we disagree. Our words matter. We need to see people as Jesus did or we dishonour Him.

Much thanks in Christ,
solodeogloria

May I suggest that you take a brief look around this forum and then ask yourself who is in need of the sermons? Take a look at the language used to characterize Christian belief. Ask yourself why so many folks with anti-Christian signatures and philosophies feel the need to post here. My answer is they get their jollies by playing "persecute the Christian" as a form of sport.

The Chieftain

galljga1 wrote: »

Please be a good christian and provide the link again. The only link I can find is a link to a page referring to that most eminent Irish man James Ussher.

But if you read the link, you would see that his chronology was incorporated in the AV, from 1701.

Huntergonzo

The Chieftain wrote: »

May I suggest that you take a brief look around this forum and then ask yourself who is in need of the sermons? Take a look at the language used to characterize Christian belief. Ask yourself why so many folks with anti-Christian signatures and philosophies feel the need to post here. My answer is they get their jollies by playing "persecute the Christian" as a form of sport.

Many Christians post on the atheist forum and are welcome to do so, but the complaints about atheists posting on the Christianity forum?

The Chieftain

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Many Christians post on the atheist forum and are welcome to do so, but the complaints about atheists posting on the Christianity forum?

Yes. IMHO it is at a level that is disruptive, and is clearly a form of blood sport.

endacl

The Chieftain wrote: »

Yes. IMHO it is at a level that is disruptive, and is clearly a form of blood sport.

Perhaps we came here seeking wisdom? Perhaps we were sent to do so? The big fella does move in mysterious ways, as the Book of Bono clearly states. We didn't find wisdom though. We found you...

galljga1

The Chieftain wrote: »

But if you read the link, you would see that his chronology was incorporated in the AV, from 1701.

So,as I said, no link to the bible containing the date in question has been provided. Fair enough.

The Chieftain

galljga1 wrote: »

So,as I said, no link to the bible containing the date in question has been provided. Fair enough.

10 seconds Googling will confirm what I said. If you are not up to that, then you will just have to get over it. Something to do with Darwinian evolution, or something like that, survival of the fittest...

sbsquarepants

The Chieftain wrote: »

May I suggest that you take a brief look around this forum and then ask yourself who is in need of the sermons? Take a look at the language used to characterize Christian belief. Ask yourself why so many folks with anti-Christian signatures and philosophies feel the need to post here. My answer is they get their jollies by playing "persecute the Christian" as a form of sport.

I think it's maybe not so Christian to assume the worst like that. Maybe people are trying to help you, not to mock you?

You should maybe also "quietly reflect" on why it is you get so defensive when your beliefs are questioned. In any other interaction that would be seen as a sign that you know what you're saying is wrong, that you're basically lying. It wouldn't serve you to get that defensive in a witness box, or an interrogation room, I can guarantee you that.
Anything and everything should be opened to question. If there's any substance to the claim it will withstand the questions. A lot of "beliefs" are just lazy thought processes - I have this same argument with my kids all the time - if you can't state and explain "why" you believe something then you don't really believe it, you just can't be arsed thinking the subject through and settle on the first thing that suits you.

No belief, no matter how dearly held or heartfelt should ever be beyond questioning. Not any belief, not ever, not under any circumstances - that's freedom of thought in action.
I believe, so you must accept, that's tyranny. A closed mind is a waste of a mind. You should open yours up a little.

galljga1

The Chieftain wrote: »

10 seconds Googling will confirm what I said. If you are not up to that, then you will just have to get over it. Something to do with Darwinian evolution, or something like that, survival of the fittest...

I have no problem googling. I was just trying to point out to you that no link has been provided while you insisted one had been provided. I am also well aware of Bishop Ussher's work, which I would not consider to be part of the bible, just annotations added in. I also consider it to be nonsense. If you want to give it credence, well, that's up to you.

Interesting that you reference Darwinian evolution.

sbsquarepants

The Chieftain wrote: »

10 seconds Googling will confirm what I said. If you are not up to that, then you will just have to get over it. Something to do with Darwinian evolution, or something like that, survival of the fittest...

Yet you've spent hours repeating that it would be a waste of your time. Would it not be better to take those 10 seconds from your busy day and put the matter to rest once and for all?

endacl

The Chieftain wrote: »

10 seconds Googling will confirm what I said. If you are not up to that, then you will just have to get over it. Something to do with Darwinian evolution, or something like that, survival of the fittest...

Oh, go on so...

Tell us about your understanding of evolution by natural selection. You may reference the crocoduck in your answer.

Kiwi in IE

The Chieftain wrote: »

Then why are you here in this forum? Trying to raise your blood pressure? Or just trolling the nice old fuddy-duddy Christians?

In my old school days we were taught to respect the religious consciences and beliefs of others, no matter how wrong we thought they were. That long predated the modern affectation for commanding tolerance and inclusivity for the preferences of the "progressives". Of course that tolerance and inclusivity does not apply to to traditionalists and Christians - they can be insulted and dismissed as "misguided ill-informed wretches".

Did you ever stop to think that when religion ceases to be imposed on our lives, we will have nothing to complain about anymore? Win/win secularism is the way to go!

Huntergonzo

The Chieftain wrote: »

Yes. IMHO it is at a level that is disruptive, and is clearly a form of blood sport.

Debate and contrary views are no harm Chieftain.

Delirium

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Many Christians post on the atheist forum and are welcome to do so, but the complaints about atheists posting on the Christianity forum?

The Chieftain wrote: »

Yes. IMHO it is at a level that is disruptive, and is clearly a form of blood sport.

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Debate and contrary views are no harm Chieftain.

MOD NOTE

Please drop the off-topic discussion about non-Christians posting in this forum.

Thanks for your attention.

robdonn

Delirium wrote: »

MOD NOTE

Please drop the off-topic discussion about non-Christians posting in this forum.

Thanks for your attention.

Typical response from a non-Christian....

beach_walker

The Chieftain wrote: »

Yes. IMHO it is at a level that is disruptive, and is clearly a form of blood sport.

Tbh I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this is a forum for Christians. Look at the "Sanctity of Life." thread. It's basically a high-five group for the A&A posters. Or look at the reasons why so many Chrisitians left this a while ago. Save your time and post elsewhere imo.

Kiwi in IE

beach_walker wrote: »

Tbh I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this is a forum for Christians. Look at the "Sanctity of Life." thread. It's basically a high-five group for the A&A posters. Or look at the reasons why so many Chrisitians left this a while ago. Save your time and post elsewhere imo.

Go and check out the Abortion Discussion thread in A&A. There are Christians posting in there objecting to abortion at this very minute. Terrible it is! How dare they?

jobbridge4life

The Chieftain wrote: »

In my old school days we were taught to respect the religious consciences and beliefs of others, no matter how wrong we thought they were. That long predated the modern affectation for commanding tolerance and inclusivity for the preferences of the "progressives". Of course that tolerance and inclusivity does not apply to to traditionalists and Christians - they can be insulted and dismissed as "misguided ill-informed wretches".

When were 'your old school days'? Was it when single mothers had their religious conscience respected by being in effect imprisoned? Or when the religious liberty of homosexuals was protected by criminalising them if they acted on their instincts? Or when the state nullified a woman's marriage to a Muslim simply because it had the vague potential to be polygamous?

Religions tend to only ever 'respect' others when public opinion won't let them get away with not doing so.

And before you label me you should know I attend mass weekly, sing in the choir when I can etc.

robdonn

beach_walker wrote: »

Tbh I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this is a forum for Christians. Look at the "Sanctity of Life." thread. It's basically a high-five group for the A&A posters. Or look at the reasons why so many Chrisitians left this a while ago. Save your time and post elsewhere imo.

The Sanctity of Life thread died a horrible death because the foundation that it was built on (PP selling aborted baby parts) was a complete lie.

Kiwi in IE

beach_walker wrote: »

Tbh I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this is a forum for Christians. Look at the "Sanctity of Life." thread. It's basically a high-five group for the A&A posters. Or look at the reasons why so many Chrisitians left this a while ago. Save your time and post elsewhere imo.

I wish Christianity in general gave up as easily, and agreed to relinquish the stranglehold, over education, health etc, as easily as these posters allegedly gave up posting here because a few atheists challenged them. You poor persecuted things!

beach_walker

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Go and check out the Abortion Discussion thread in A&A. There are Christians posting in there objecting to abortion at this very minute. Terrible it is! How dare they?

Why would I care about the A&A forum*? I don't post there.

How much of the debate in that thread is actually about the sanctity of life (which given it's supposedly a Christian forum you may expect to come up now and then...) versus updates on court cases from the US, high-fives about planned parenthood video falsehood etc.?

It was made abundantly clear in Feedback that this is not a forum for Christians. Unlike the way the GAA forum wouldn't (and don't) tolerate constant posts/threads from Soccer fans saying the game is crap, nor Soccer from Rugby doing likewise. I'm just advising a poster not to waste their time.

* though I did laugh at the posts in that thread "cross-post from the A&A thread". As if anyone missed it!

beach_walker

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I wish Christianity in general gave up as easily, and agreed to relinquish the stranglehold, over education, health etc, as easily as these posters allegedly gave up posting here because a few atheists challenged them. You poor persecuted things!

You seem angry. I'll make sure to include you in my prayers today.

Delirium

beach_walker wrote: »

Why would I care about the A&A forum*? I don't post there.

How much of the debate in that thread is actually about the sanctity of life (which given it's supposedly a Christian forum you may expect to come up now and then...) versus updates on court cases from the US, high-fives about planned parenthood video falsehood etc.?

It was made abundantly clear in Feedback that this is not a forum for Christians. Unlike the way the GAA forum wouldn't (and don't) tolerate constant posts/threads from Soccer fans saying the game is crap, nor Soccer from Rugby doing likewise. I'm just advising a poster not to waste their time.

* though I did laugh at the posts in that thread "cross-post from the A&A thread". As if anyone missed it!

MOD NOTE

From the OP, which generally sets the tone/topic of a thread, of the Sancity of Life thread (started by a Christian poster btw):

Well the devil has shown his colours. The abortion industries dirty side.

Glad to see its not making the rounds in pro-life circles but also in secular Media.

Sickening.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/14/p...-parts-tissue/

Its worth noting that mothers are being paid for the "donated" body parts of their children.

If you want to have the discussion move towards 'Sancity of Life' then you can post in that thread. It has slowly become a general abortion related super-thread.

Please don't derail other threads with complaints about other threads.

Thanks for your attention.

Now back on topic everyone please.