Age of the universe

Safehands

100 years after they were first predicted by Albert Einstein, ripples in space time have finally been detected. Scientists have hailed this discovery as the biggest scientific breakthrough of the century.
These ripples have taken a billion years to get here.
How do Young Earth creationists feel about this discovery, given that it puts to bed, the suggestion that the Universe is only 10,000 years old?

looksee

Safehands wrote: »

100 years after they were first predicted by Albert Einstein, ripples in space time have finally been detected. Scientists have hailed this discovery as the biggest scientific breakthrough of the century.
These ripples have taken a billion years to get here.
How do Young Earth creationists feel about this discovery, given that it puts to bed, the suggestion that the Universe is only 10,000 years old?

If geology and fossils are not enough proof, barely discernible ripples in space time won't have a chance!

cardinal tetra

I believe God sent these waves to test our faith.
The mere idea that you can measure waves from outer space that were created from world holes colliding and then slowing down and speeding up time is preposterous. only god has the power to implement such things.

cardinal tetra

I believe God sent these waves to test our faith.
The mere idea that you can measure waves from outer space that were created from world holes colliding and then slowing down and speeding up time is preposterous. only god has the power to implement such things.

Safehands

looksee wrote: »

If geology and fossils are not enough proof, barely discernible ripples in space time won't have a chance!

I'm interested to see if the young Earth creationists will come up with an argument to dismiss these findings, just to justify biblical tracts. We work with evidence to discern what actually happened, this is fantastic evidence to support all the other evidence which shows us that the world is a hell of a lot older than a mere few thousand years.

jonon9

cardinal tetra wrote: »

I believe God sent these waves to test our faith.
The mere idea that you can measure waves from outer space that were created from world holes colliding and then slowing down and speeding up time is preposterous. only god has the power to implement such things.

Ahh the usual 'I have no idea answer' :rolleyes:

Safehands

cardinal tetra wrote: »

I believe God sent these waves to test our faith.
The mere idea that you can measure waves from outer space that were created from world holes colliding and then slowing down and speeding up time is preposterous. only god has the power to implement such things.

I'm sure that for people who don't even try to embrace the possibility that Einstein was correct in his predictions, all "that stuff" is preposterous. For others the Biblical stories are preposterous.
The difference is that there is no evidence to support the Biblical stories. There is an abundance of evidence that the scientists are correct.

Thelomen Toblackai

Safehands wrote: »

I'm interested to see if the young Earth creationists will come up with an argument to dismiss these findings, just to justify biblical tracts. We work with evidence to discern what actually happened, this is fantastic evidence to support all the other evidence which shows us that the world is a hell of a lot older than a mere few thousand years.

There's plenty of evidence already to support that. I'm not sure why this recent discovery is the nail in the coffin though. Surely from the perspective of a creationist it's no different than any of the rest of it.

Safehands

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

There's plenty of evidence already to support that. I'm not sure why this recent discovery is the nail in the coffin though. Surely from the perspective of a creationist it's no different than any of the rest of it.

Are they just going to dismiss the whole thing?

topmanamillion

cardinal tetra wrote: »

I believe God sent these waves to test our faith.
The mere idea that you can measure waves from outer space that were created from world holes colliding and then slowing down and speeding up time is preposterous. only god has the power to implement such things.

Couldn't be bothered to help with world hunger, war and poverty but no problem planting ripples in the universe to throw us off the scent!

Thelomen Toblackai

Safehands wrote: »

Are they just going to dismiss the whole thing?

Well considering they're still creationists/believers in the bible then nothing has changed their minds yet. What about this is different ? What about this can they not dismiss or ignore compared to the rest of it ?

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

Perhaps, like the cosmological constant, the speed of light can change over time. Maybe it was significantly slower in the past. (or, I've heard that theory being put forward at least, with regards distant supernovae and the age of the universe)

malnurtured

Safehands wrote: »

100 years after they were first predicted by Albert Einstein, ripples in space time have finally been detected. Scientists have hailed this discovery as the biggest scientific breakthrough of the century.
These ripples have taken a billion years to get here.
How do Young Earth creationists feel about this discovery, given that it puts to bed, the suggestion that the Universe is only 10,000 years old?

Not a YEC, but I think the obvious nail in the coffin of that 10,000 nonsense (apart from 'faked fossils' or however they ignored geological evidence) was already there, the fact that we can see stars over 10,000 light years away is uhm... impossible... according to YECs.

Hilariously, the explanation I've heard for this is that the speed of light is not actually a constant. Which of course, means half of the physics equations ever made are out the window, and are all wrong, despite their incredible accuracy.

You've got to wonder about the cognitive dissonance required for a position like that to be consistently held in someone's mind.

malnurtured

Second Toughest in_the Freshers wrote: »

Perhaps, like the cosmological constant, the speed of light can change over time. Maybe it was significantly slower in the past. (or, I've heard that theory being put forward at least, with regards distant supernovae and the age of the universe)

Wow, I literally just posted that idea as you did. This is impossible unfortunately for YECs. Many, many physics equations rely on c being constant en vacuo, and the accurate predictions obtained because of these equations verify its accuracy. It even works to independently verify the position/distance of stars from Earth, which are in areas where the speed of light would be 'different', if such a thing were possible, yet the equations still work.

Scientists use [c=(lambda)(freq.)] all the time for astrophysical distance calculations based on the doppler effect, which would have no predictive power if c was not a constant across the Universe, and hence across time.

Safehands

topmanamillion wrote: »

God couldn't be bothered to help with world hunger, war and poverty but has no problem planting ripples in the universe to throw us off the scent!

This is an incredibly sensible, logical reply which needs to be answered, with some equal logic, if possible, by some genuine person who believes the creationist story.

cardinal tetra

Safehands wrote: »

This is an incredibly sensible, logical reply which needs to be answered, with some equal logic, if possible, by some genuine person who believes the creationist story.

It is gods will.

You take without asking. Spend without thinking. You destroy every natural resource that has been God given and then you expect to be rewarded for it. The world was created for man. Man is trying to destroy it. Man is failing God. May God have mercy on our souls. Amen

jonon9

cardinal tetra wrote: »

It is gods will.

You take without asking. Spend without thinking. You destroy every natural resource that has been God given and then you expect to be rewarded for it. The world was created for man. Man is trying to destroy it. Man is failing God. May God have mercy on our souls. Amen

Have you any proof to what your saying I mean real proof and not just here say. Its easy to mask subjects with the term god. God created this, god created that its all too easy to assume that. Im in no way disrespecting peoples believes but when scientific discovery is made please dont say oh god put that there to test us because its down right ignorant.

endacl

cardinal tetra wrote: »

I believe God sent these waves to test our faith.

God's coming off as a bit insecure and needy so.

cardinal tetra

jonon9 wrote: »

Have you any proof to what your saying I mean real proof and not just here say. Its easy to mask subjects with the term god. God created this, god created that its all too easy to assume that. Im in no way disrespecting peoples believes but when scientific discovery is made please dont say oh god put that there to test us because its down right ignorant.

So is questioning someone's beliefs because you feel you are right because someone with a laser pointer in America told you that they can hear the moment a world hole collided with another. You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

But but but the big bang I hear you type ferociously into your keypad.

Explain with your lido waves what was there before the creation of the universe? Nothing? Nothing is something? Where did nothingness come from. Where did it all begin.

Your mental if you believe the earth is billions of years old. May you find peace in God.

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

jonon9

cardinal tetra wrote: »

So is questioning someone's beliefs because you feel you are right because someone with a laser pointer in America told you that they can hear the moment a world hole collided with another. You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

But but but the big bang I hear you type ferociously into your keypad.

Explain with your lido waves what was there before the creation of the universe? Nothing? Nothing is something? Where did nothingness come from. Where did it all begin.

Your mental if you believe the earth is billions of years old. May you find peace in God.

Run along good sir and let the big boys talk Science and you stick to your fairytales.

endacl

cardinal tetra wrote: »

So is questioning someone's beliefs because you feel you are right because someone with a laser pointer in America told you that they can hear the moment a world hole collided with another. You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

But but but the big bang I hear you type ferociously into your keypad.

Explain with your lido waves what was there before the creation of the universe? Nothing? Nothing is something? Where did nothingness come from. Where did it all begin.

Your mental if you believe the earth is billions of years old. May you find peace in God.

If you insist on being wrong, could you at least be correct?

prinzeugen

cardinal tetra wrote: »

You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

You must be a bit of a trekie if you know the terms...

RainMakerToo

cardinal tetra wrote: »

You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

Sure the internet isn't real at all, this is all just a dream to test your faith. Go back asleep now

topmanamillion

cardinal tetra wrote: »

So is questioning someone's beliefs because you feel you are right because someone with a laser pointer in America told you that they can hear the moment a world hole collided with another. You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

But but but the big bang I hear you type ferociously into your keypad.

Explain with your lido waves what was there before the creation of the universe? Nothing? Nothing is something? Where did nothingness come from. Where did it all begin.

Your mental if you believe the earth is billions of years old. May you find peace in God.

OK your God,( sorry, where were you born? because that heavily dictates what religion/diety you follow) versus Science.
At the moment science is giving me many more answers than a 2000 year old outdated heavily edited book.
I am sure you realise Jesus was supposed to come back shortly after dying and take up his role as head of Israel along with his 12 lords (there were 12 apostles because there were 12 kingdoms/tribes in Israel).
Christianity has already been disproved by itself over 2000 years ago. Some people just haven't caught up yet.

galljga1

cardinal tetra wrote: »

So is questioning someone's beliefs because you feel you are right because someone with a laser pointer in America told you that they can hear the moment a world hole collided with another. You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

But but but the big bang I hear you type ferociously into your keypad.

Explain with your lido waves what was there before the creation of the universe? Nothing? Nothing is something? Where did nothingness come from. Where did it all begin.

Your mental if you believe the earth is billions of years old. May you find peace in God.

Me, I'm mental.

Explain what was there? Why, God of course. Where did he come from? Ah, he was always there.

Incidentally, what are world holes? Have we fallen into a game of Minecraft?

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Second Toughest in_the Freshers wrote: »

Perhaps, like the cosmological constant, the speed of light can change over time. Maybe it was significantly slower in the past. (or, I've heard that theory being put forward at least, with regards distant supernovae and the age of the universe)

The speed of light can change and has been achieved in lab conditions.

Delirium

jonon9 wrote: »

Run along good sir and let the big boys talk Science and you stick to your fairytales.

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Wanderer78

Thaddeus Most Garbage wrote:

The speed of light can change and has been achieved in lab conditions.

This is still highly debated. Interesting though

MrPudding

cardinal tetra wrote: »

I believe God sent these waves to test our faith.
The mere idea that you can measure waves from outer space that were created from world holes colliding and then slowing down and speeding up time is preposterous. only god has the power to implement such things.

cardinal tetra wrote: »

It is gods will.

You take without asking. Spend without thinking. You destroy every natural resource that has been God given and then you expect to be rewarded for it. The world was created for man. Man is trying to destroy it. Man is failing God. May God have mercy on our souls. Amen

cardinal tetra wrote: »

So is questioning someone's beliefs because you feel you are right because someone with a laser pointer in America told you that they can hear the moment a world hole collided with another. You watch too much star trek with your ion capacitors and your warp drives and your science. It's all a load of prefabricated nonsense to discredit the church and the word of the lord.

But but but the big bang I hear you type ferociously into your keypad.

Explain with your lido waves what was there before the creation of the universe? Nothing? Nothing is something? Where did nothingness come from. Where did it all begin.

Your mental if you believe the earth is billions of years old. May you find peace in God.

Please tell me you are a "Poe", otherwise I would be concerned at your ability to walk and breath at the same time...

MrP

looksee

MrPudding wrote: »

Please tell me you are a "Poe", otherwise I would be concerned at your ability to walk and breath at the same time...

MrP

Apparently he cannot, he appears to have expired.