Operation Transformation

Hitchens

Apologies if a thread on this exists.

Gruesome viewing on it tonight. I believe that man was humiliated on National Television. Why the poor man (or anyone) would put himself in that position in the first place is a mystery, but it was not right to show it, IMO!

SEPT 23 1989

Hitchens wrote: »

Apologies if a thread on this exists.

Gruesome viewing on it tonight. I believe that man was humiliated on National Television. Why the poor man (or anyone) would put himself in that position in the first place is a mystery, but it was not right to show it, IMO!

How was the poor man humiliated so to speak?

The_Valeyard

Because he appeared on an RTE show or what happened? I do not watch the show but am familiar with its concept.

StewartGriffin

Hitchens wrote: »

Apologies if a thread on this exists.

Gruesome viewing on it tonight. I believe that man was humiliated on National Television. Why the poor man (or anyone) would put himself in that position in the first place is a mystery, but it was not right to show it, IMO!

Is this a future thread about Enda Kenny in tomorrow nights debate?

Mint Aero

No idea what you're on about OP. People here read books and don't watch TV.

ThisRegard

Every ****ing thread has someone trying to make a funny reference to Enda Kenny, every ****ing one.

strelok

ThisRegard wrote: »

Every ****ing thread has someone trying to make a funny reference to Enda Kenny, every ****ing one.

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Hugo Stiglitz

Hitchens wrote: »

Apologies if a thread on this exists.

Gruesome viewing on it tonight. I believe that man was humiliated on National Television. Why the poor man (or anyone) would put himself in that position in the first place is a mystery, but it was not right to show it, IMO!

What happened, H?

Mint Aero

ThisRegard wrote: »

Every ****ing thread has someone trying to make a funny reference to Enda Kenny, every ****ing one.

Go home Enda. You're drunk.

KERSPLAT!

ThisRegard wrote: »

Every ****ing thread has someone trying to make a funny reference to Enda Kenny, every ****ing one.

But they're hilarious!!! -_-

kneemos

strelok wrote: »

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Used to smoke but got angina.

Hammer89

Hitchens wrote: »

Apologies if a thread on this exists.

Gruesome viewing on it tonight. I believe that man was humiliated on National Television. Why the poor man (or anyone) would put himself in that position in the first place is a mystery, but it was not right to show it, IMO!

Come on mate. I'd quite like to know why he was humiliated on national television but you're giving me nothing.

This isn't Game of Thrones. Not everybody watches this heap of you know what, so not everybody is going to know what you're on about. Can anybody shed light on why the chap was humiliated?

Hitchens

it will probably be on the player (shouldn't be though) and a picture paints a thousand words ..........bloody nasty it was (again IMO)

Hammer89

Hitchens wrote: »

it will probably be on the player (shouldn't be though) and a picture paints a thousand words ..........bloody nasty it was (again IMO)

Ban this chap.

SEPT 23 1989

Hitchens wrote: »

it will probably be on the player (shouldn't be though) and a picture paints a thousand words ..........bloody nasty it was (again IMO)

Don't leave us hanging

KERSPLAT!

You may fill everyone in or I can lock the thread as its pointless without something to discuss bar your outrage

Hitchens

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Don't leave us hanging

found this just now

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/john-conmy-breaks-down-as-operation-transformation-weighin-reveals-weight-gain-of-15-lbs-34442348.html

Kerrydude1981

Was it this OP?

http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2016/0210/767008-operation-transformation/

endacl

ThisRegard wrote: »

Every ****ing thread has someone trying to make a funny reference to Enda Kenny, every ****ing one.

Once they include the 'Kenny' bit, I'm cool with it.

Ulysses Gaze

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Is this a future thread about Enda Kenny in tomorrow nights debate?

Given he is up against Meehole, I doubt Enda will be quaking in his boots.

Anyway, what happened to the guy on RTE tonight?

Lights On

I'd much rather RTE spent my money on making a show called Operation Transformers where two groups of people set out to make a giant robot and at the end of the series have them both fight to the death!

Ulysses Gaze

Lights On wrote: »

I'd much rather RTE spent my money on making a show called Operation Transformers where two groups of people set out to make a giant robot and at the end of the series have them both fight to the death!

Same here. Sounds like a winner.

Hammer89

Hitchens wrote: »

it will probably be on the player (shouldn't be though) and a picture paints a thousand words ..........bloody nasty it was (again IMO)

I thought he sh*t himself on the scales or something after reading this.

There's nothing nasty or humiliating about gaining 1.5 lbs. Weight loss is hard but it's nigh-on impossible if you beat yourself up over setbacks. This leads to self-sabotage and a relapse into old habits. I suppose it's much more upsetting when your weight gain is televised, which probably explains the tears, but you need a very thick skin for weight loss - a capacity to get back on the horse immediately - and this fella seems to lack a bit of stoicism.

Azalea

Ffs, I thought it would be something like losing control of his bowels too (or worse). Strange idea of shocking. The OP's indignation has to be feigned.

Poor guy though - sad to read of him getting upset.

Naos

Probably didn't do enough of those 2kg water bottle bicep curls Karl Henry set out for him.

I assumed they tackled Karl Henry on how many triathlons he pulled out of.

Has he finished one yet?

Not that any single person who watches Operation Transformation would ask that.

Darkest Horse

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I assumed they tackled Karl Henry on how many triathlons he pulled out of.

Has he finished one yet?

Not that any single person who watches Operation Transformation would ask that.

Ha ha. Expand on that!

Darkest Horse

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Ha ha. Expand on that!

Used to be a topic of fun on the athletics forum, analysis of his performances in events. He seemed to have racked up a fair few DNFs.

Poor Uncle Tom

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Ha ha. Expand on that!

I think that's John's problem, he takes this quote literally....

Ally Dick

It's Operation Patronisation. I wouldn't watch it in a fit. I can't stand the notion that the country is behind these people, in their bid to lose weight. I'd rather have my mental health than be a bit overweight. If I went on that, I'd lose my self respect because of those patronising b@stards who judge you. I also can't stand that raucous, over enthusiastic Kathryn Thomas. Go off and marry your garda or whatever

Ally Dick

Ally Dick wrote: »

Operation Patronisation.

Dammit, I was thinking of a way to describe it dismissively and express my contempt...and you managed it in 2 words. But I will steal it!

LordSutch

Hitchens wrote: »

Apologies if a thread on this exists.

Gruesome viewing on it tonight. I believe that man was humiliated on National Television. Why the poor man (or anyone) would put himself in that position in the first place is a mystery, but it was not right to show it, IMO!

i AGREE 100% and the thig is we don't normally watch it, but last night we were channel hopping when we witnessed that poor man being utterly embarrassed & humiliated on national Television (after losing both his parents too)?
It was really bad tv, and we felt so sorry for that poor man, being put through that

Wibbs

Ally Dick wrote: »

It's Operation Patronisation. I wouldn't watch it in a fit.

+1. Much of it is let's feel better about yourself and cringe at the fatties. The faux concern, faux public health and faux "experts" help take the sting out of it. Mob TV at its finest and judging by viewing figures the mob like it.

boardie100

Deleted User wrote: »

I assumed they tackled Karl Henry on how many triathlons he pulled out of.

Has he finished one yet?

Not that any single person who watches Operation Transformation would ask that.

he's probably too busy spending the 65k he gets for doing the show.... !

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

+1. Much of it is let's feel better about yourself and cringe at the fatties. The faux concern, faux public health and faux "experts" help take the sting out of it. Mob TV at its finest and judging by viewing figures the mob like it.

This thread has given me another good line to nick. I think I might actually combine both your post and Ally's for a Facebook status update...

valoren

I've been following the main meal plans and have lost half a stone.
There's a lot of waste with the shopping though that's my only complaint.
They don't re-use the ingredients enough and the perishables end up in the bin.
Instead of re-using them yourself you'd end up adding them in so as not to waste them thus adding calories.

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.
You'd know what to expect when you apply I'm sure.
He has missed his weight loss target for two weeks in a row.
If appearing on national television doesn't light a fire under your ass to motivate your weight loss then there is something deeper and serious going on with the chap.

And that would need to be dealt with privately and not with cliched psychobabble/warts and all reality TV.

Hitchens

valoren wrote: »

I've been following the main meal plans and have lost half a stone.
There's a lot of waste with the shopping though that's my only complaint.
They don't re-use the ingredients enough and the perishables end up in the bin.
Instead of re-using them yourself you'd end up adding them in so as not to waste them thus adding calories.

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.
You'd know what to expect when you apply I'm sure.
He has missed his weight loss target for two weeks in a row.
If appearing on national television doesn't light a fire under your ass to motivate your weight loss then there is something deeper and serious going on with the chap.

And that would need to be dealt with privately and not with cliched psychobabble/warts and all reality TV.

Exactly

Hercule Poirot

LordSutch wrote: »

i AGREE 100% and the thig is we don't normally watch it, but last night we were channel hopping when we witnessed that poor man being utterly embarrassed & humiliated on national Television (after losing both his parents too)?
It was really bad tv, and we felt so sorry for that poor man, being put through that

If he hadn't of lost his parents, with his sad story of sacrificing himself to raise his brothers he wouldn't be on the show

Fella I know applied to go on it and was selected for the intial process (or whatever it is) - there were a few problems though....

Himself and the wife were very happy together
He got on very well with his kids (as did the wife)
He had a job he enjoyed

He was just a simple fella who got on with life - and he wasn't selected, can't think why though :rolleyes:

podgemonster

Patronisation, humiliation and misery porn is what Operation transformation has become. Half the leaders are so far gone that they've nearly had to withdraw from the series. They are going for the Xfactor sob story half the time.

I also can stand how they march them out in nothing but tight black spandex to cover their privates and measure them next to the stick thin well dressed Thomas.

Then in the final episode they'll dress them up with a few M&S vouchers and put them on a runway to show how much weight they've lost compared to when they forced them into underpants on day 1.

Azalea

LordSutch wrote: »

i AGREE 100% and the thig is we don't normally watch it, but last night we were channel hopping when we witnessed that poor man being utterly embarrassed & humiliated on national Television (after losing both his parents too)?
It was really bad tv, and we felt so sorry for that poor man, being put through that

I feel bad for the guy and I hate the "tough love" (i.e. being an aggressive jerk) approach by the panel (Dr Eva before - pure wagon approach) but the guy did know what he was letting himself in for, and volunteered still, so I don't see how it's humiliation.

LordSutch

Oh it was just awful TV. Reminded of Tubs on last weeks Late Late show interviewing some poor man who had lost his daughter to cancer I think? and Tubridy asks him so what were the final momnets like with her as she slipped away 'or words to that effect'... it was totally cringeworthy and uncomfortable TV viewing.

Wibbs

Azalea wrote: »

I feel bad for the guy and I hate the "tough love" (i.e. being an aggressive jerk) approach by the panel (Dr Eva before - pure wagon approach)

Designed from the outset as that crap sells to the idiocracy. The Simon Cowell effect.

but the guy did know what he was letting himself in for, and volunteered still, so I don't see how it's humiliation.

The usually low IQ underclass types that Jeremy Kyle brings on so the mob can laugh at apparently know what they're letting themselves in for too and that's most certainly humiliation. This RTE programme is just more of the same only less obvious, more "acceptable". If anything it's worse as it cynically hides behind "health".

Caliden

I want to see them get skinny people and get them to pile on muscle.
Would probably have to be made over a year so they don't end up looking like operation transformation participants.

BlimpyBoy

Azalea wrote: »

I feel bad for the guy and I hate the "tough love" (i.e. being an aggressive jerk) approach by the panel (Dr Eva before - pure wagon approach) but the guy did know what he was letting himself in for, and volunteered still, so I don't see how it's humiliation.

I think the "tough love" thing can work for some people if it's done in the right way but that's clearly not what the guy needed.

They "experts" just came across as cnuts.

seamus

valoren wrote: »

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.

It is, but I don't really see the problem.

The reason why people are overweight is because they eat too much.

For some people this is a symptom of a deeper issue more than, "Fnck it, I just love food".

These people will have continual difficulty losing or maintaining weight, and it would be cruel to parade this guy around on TV struggling to lose weight when it's not going to work.

If the aim of show is to present ways to improve one's health, then showing the emotional reality as well as the physical reality is both relevant and important.

What he was told may have seemed harsh, but sugar-coating it doesn't work. You can't leave room for ambiguity in home truths - people's own defence mechanisms retreat into the ambiguities and become denial.

mickdw

I'm pretty satisfied that they are manipulating the results to add to the excitement of the show.
Take John conmy.

1 Small weight loss - gets abuse
2 Small weight loss - gets abuse
Expert goes to visit him then
3 Massive weight loss of 8 pounds
following week
4 Weight gain of 1.5 pounds.

His loss probably averages out at 3 or 4 pounds per week but that wouldn't be exciting enough for tv.

Hitchens

seamus wrote: »

It is, but I don't really see the problem.

The reason why people are overweight is because they eat too much.

For some people this is a symptom of a deeper issue more than, "Fnck it, I just love food".

These people will have continual difficulty losing or maintaining weight, and it would be cruel to parade this guy around on TV struggling to lose weight when it's not going to work.

If the aim of show is to present ways to improve one's health, then showing the emotional reality as well as the physical reality is both relevant and important.

What he was told may have seemed harsh, but sugar-coating it doesn't work. You can't leave room for ambiguity in home truths - people's own defence mechanisms retreat into the ambiguities and become denial.

All of that could have been done off camera, without ensuring it will remain on YouTube now forever, perhaps being used to torment members of his family in the future.

Azalea

Wibbs wrote: »

Designed from the outset as that crap sells to the idiocracy. The Simon Cowell effect. The usually low IQ underclass types that Jeremy Kyle brings on so the mob can laugh at apparently know what they're letting themselves in for too and that's most certainly humiliation. This RTE programme is just more of the same only less obvious, more "acceptable". If anything it's worse as it cynically hides behind "health".

Aye, but people who watch it avidly certainly can't be complaining about the humiliation.

As I said though, I dislike the approach. And also disagree with "it's the only home truths, no need to sugar-coat" as if there's no alternative method. The panel could easily have said "that's a disappointing result, you're not making the required effort; new goal for next week is xyz" instead of going on and on. That's what your man does on the American "year to save my life" one and it's firm enough without being humiliating. Humiliation can often just send a person back to the bad place they were in rather than motivating them. It's why I don't watch OT. The American ons may be schmaltzy but the approach is a lot more humane.

Caliden

mickdw wrote: »

I'm pretty satisfied that they are manipulating the results to add to the excitement of the show.
Take John conmy.

1 Small weight loss - gets abuse
2 Small weight loss - gets abuse
Expert goes to visit him then
3 Massive weight loss of 8 pounds
following week
4 Weight gain of 1.5 pounds.

His loss probably averages out at 3 or 4 pounds per week but that wouldn't be exciting enough for tv.

Weekly weight loss taken at one point of a certain day isn't the ideal way to measure it, even if he is a big lad.

Daily/twice daily measurements for a week and average it out.

Sure if he drank a litre of water before the measurement he would have gained over 2lbs

sideswipe

Caught this bit while flicking through channels before the news last night. I promptly changed channel after Kathryn T's long dramatic pause before announcing the weight gain- trying to heighten the drama. I'm sure there were hi 5's amongst the production team.

While there are some very important messages in this type of show, it's not a healthy, sustainable model for looking after yourself long terms. Expecting so much change in a relatively short space of time after a lifetime of self abuse:(

This show is nothing more than a post christmas cash cow for RTE. They feed on peoples insecurities as well as their self loathing for the excess of the christmas holidays. Then get diet and fitness companies to pay a fortune for adverts during the ad breaks.

Sam Kade

valoren wrote: »

I've been following the main meal plans and have lost half a stone.
There's a lot of waste with the shopping though that's my only complaint.
They don't re-use the ingredients enough and the perishables end up in the bin.
Instead of re-using them yourself you'd end up adding them in so as not to waste them thus adding calories.

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.
You'd know what to expect when you apply I'm sure.
He has missed his weight loss target for two weeks in a row.
If appearing on national television doesn't light a fire under your ass to motivate your weight loss then there is something deeper and serious going on with the chap.

And that would need to be dealt with privately and not with cliched psychobabble/warts and all reality TV.

Their meal plan is a diet plan for your wallet not your waist. It's simple to lose weight all they are doing is making it seem impossible I bet they put more people off losing weight than encouraging them.