Operation Transformation

LordSutch · 11-02-2016 10:18AM

Hitchens wrote: »

Apologies if a thread on this exists.

Gruesome viewing on it tonight. I believe that man was humiliated on National Television. Why the poor man (or anyone) would put himself in that position in the first place is a mystery, but it was not right to show it, IMO!

i AGREE 100% and the thig is we don't normally watch it, but last night we were channel hopping when we witnessed that poor man being utterly embarrassed & humiliated on national Television (after losing both his parents too)?
It was really bad tv, and we felt so sorry for that poor man, being put through that

Wibbs · 11-02-2016 10:23AM

Ally Dick wrote: »

It's Operation Patronisation. I wouldn't watch it in a fit.

+1. Much of it is let's feel better about yourself and cringe at the fatties. The faux concern, faux public health and faux "experts" help take the sting out of it. Mob TV at its finest and judging by viewing figures the mob like it.

boardie100 · 11-02-2016 10:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I assumed they tackled Karl Henry on how many triathlons he pulled out of.

Has he finished one yet?

Not that any single person who watches Operation Transformation would ask that.

he's probably too busy spending the 65k he gets for doing the show.... !

11-02-2016 10:45AM

Wibbs wrote: »

+1. Much of it is let's feel better about yourself and cringe at the fatties. The faux concern, faux public health and faux "experts" help take the sting out of it. Mob TV at its finest and judging by viewing figures the mob like it.

This thread has given me another good line to nick. I think I might actually combine both your post and Ally's for a Facebook status update...

valoren · 11-02-2016 10:56AM

I've been following the main meal plans and have lost half a stone.
There's a lot of waste with the shopping though that's my only complaint.
They don't re-use the ingredients enough and the perishables end up in the bin.
Instead of re-using them yourself you'd end up adding them in so as not to waste them thus adding calories.

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.
You'd know what to expect when you apply I'm sure.
He has missed his weight loss target for two weeks in a row.
If appearing on national television doesn't light a fire under your ass to motivate your weight loss then there is something deeper and serious going on with the chap.

And that would need to be dealt with privately and not with cliched psychobabble/warts and all reality TV.

Hitchens · 11-02-2016 11:06AM

valoren wrote: »

I've been following the main meal plans and have lost half a stone.
There's a lot of waste with the shopping though that's my only complaint.
They don't re-use the ingredients enough and the perishables end up in the bin.
Instead of re-using them yourself you'd end up adding them in so as not to waste them thus adding calories.

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.
You'd know what to expect when you apply I'm sure.
He has missed his weight loss target for two weeks in a row.
If appearing on national television doesn't light a fire under your ass to motivate your weight loss then there is something deeper and serious going on with the chap.

And that would need to be dealt with privately and not with cliched psychobabble/warts and all reality TV.

Exactly

Hercule Poirot · 11-02-2016 11:10AM

LordSutch wrote: »

i AGREE 100% and the thig is we don't normally watch it, but last night we were channel hopping when we witnessed that poor man being utterly embarrassed & humiliated on national Television (after losing both his parents too)?
It was really bad tv, and we felt so sorry for that poor man, being put through that

If he hadn't of lost his parents, with his sad story of sacrificing himself to raise his brothers he wouldn't be on the show

Fella I know applied to go on it and was selected for the intial process (or whatever it is) - there were a few problems though....

Himself and the wife were very happy together
He got on very well with his kids (as did the wife)
He had a job he enjoyed

He was just a simple fella who got on with life - and he wasn't selected, can't think why though :rolleyes:

podgemonster · 11-02-2016 11:26AM

Patronisation, humiliation and misery porn is what Operation transformation has become. Half the leaders are so far gone that they've nearly had to withdraw from the series. They are going for the Xfactor sob story half the time.

I also can stand how they march them out in nothing but tight black spandex to cover their privates and measure them next to the stick thin well dressed Thomas.

Then in the final episode they'll dress them up with a few M&S vouchers and put them on a runway to show how much weight they've lost compared to when they forced them into underpants on day 1.

Azalea · 11-02-2016 11:55AM

LordSutch wrote: »

i AGREE 100% and the thig is we don't normally watch it, but last night we were channel hopping when we witnessed that poor man being utterly embarrassed & humiliated on national Television (after losing both his parents too)?
It was really bad tv, and we felt so sorry for that poor man, being put through that

I feel bad for the guy and I hate the "tough love" (i.e. being an aggressive jerk) approach by the panel (Dr Eva before - pure wagon approach) but the guy did know what he was letting himself in for, and volunteered still, so I don't see how it's humiliation.

LordSutch · 11-02-2016 12:04PM

Oh it was just awful TV. Reminded of Tubs on last weeks Late Late show interviewing some poor man who had lost his daughter to cancer I think? and Tubridy asks him so what were the final momnets like with her as she slipped away 'or words to that effect'... it was totally cringeworthy and uncomfortable TV viewing.

Wibbs · 11-02-2016 12:09PM

Azalea wrote: »

I feel bad for the guy and I hate the "tough love" (i.e. being an aggressive jerk) approach by the panel (Dr Eva before - pure wagon approach)

Designed from the outset as that crap sells to the idiocracy. The Simon Cowell effect.

but the guy did know what he was letting himself in for, and volunteered still, so I don't see how it's humiliation.

The usually low IQ underclass types that Jeremy Kyle brings on so the mob can laugh at apparently know what they're letting themselves in for too and that's most certainly humiliation. This RTE programme is just more of the same only less obvious, more "acceptable". If anything it's worse as it cynically hides behind "health".

Caliden · 11-02-2016 12:31PM

I want to see them get skinny people and get them to pile on muscle.
Would probably have to be made over a year so they don't end up looking like operation transformation participants.

BlimpyBoy · 11-02-2016 12:47PM

Azalea wrote: »

I feel bad for the guy and I hate the "tough love" (i.e. being an aggressive jerk) approach by the panel (Dr Eva before - pure wagon approach) but the guy did know what he was letting himself in for, and volunteered still, so I don't see how it's humiliation.

I think the "tough love" thing can work for some people if it's done in the right way but that's clearly not what the guy needed.

They "experts" just came across as cnuts.

seamus · 11-02-2016 12:51PM

valoren wrote: »

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.

It is, but I don't really see the problem.

The reason why people are overweight is because they eat too much.

For some people this is a symptom of a deeper issue more than, "Fnck it, I just love food".

These people will have continual difficulty losing or maintaining weight, and it would be cruel to parade this guy around on TV struggling to lose weight when it's not going to work.

If the aim of show is to present ways to improve one's health, then showing the emotional reality as well as the physical reality is both relevant and important.

What he was told may have seemed harsh, but sugar-coating it doesn't work. You can't leave room for ambiguity in home truths - people's own defence mechanisms retreat into the ambiguities and become denial.

mickdw · 11-02-2016 01:03PM

I'm pretty satisfied that they are manipulating the results to add to the excitement of the show.
Take John conmy.

1 Small weight loss - gets abuse
2 Small weight loss - gets abuse
Expert goes to visit him then
3 Massive weight loss of 8 pounds
following week
4 Weight gain of 1.5 pounds.

His loss probably averages out at 3 or 4 pounds per week but that wouldn't be exciting enough for tv.

Hitchens · 11-02-2016 02:13PM

seamus wrote: »

It is, but I don't really see the problem.

The reason why people are overweight is because they eat too much.

For some people this is a symptom of a deeper issue more than, "Fnck it, I just love food".

These people will have continual difficulty losing or maintaining weight, and it would be cruel to parade this guy around on TV struggling to lose weight when it's not going to work.

If the aim of show is to present ways to improve one's health, then showing the emotional reality as well as the physical reality is both relevant and important.

What he was told may have seemed harsh, but sugar-coating it doesn't work. You can't leave room for ambiguity in home truths - people's own defence mechanisms retreat into the ambiguities and become denial.

All of that could have been done off camera, without ensuring it will remain on YouTube now forever, perhaps being used to torment members of his family in the future.

Azalea · 11-02-2016 02:27PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Designed from the outset as that crap sells to the idiocracy. The Simon Cowell effect. The usually low IQ underclass types that Jeremy Kyle brings on so the mob can laugh at apparently know what they're letting themselves in for too and that's most certainly humiliation. This RTE programme is just more of the same only less obvious, more "acceptable". If anything it's worse as it cynically hides behind "health".

Aye, but people who watch it avidly certainly can't be complaining about the humiliation.

As I said though, I dislike the approach. And also disagree with "it's the only home truths, no need to sugar-coat" as if there's no alternative method. The panel could easily have said "that's a disappointing result, you're not making the required effort; new goal for next week is xyz" instead of going on and on. That's what your man does on the American "year to save my life" one and it's firm enough without being humiliating. Humiliation can often just send a person back to the bad place they were in rather than motivating them. It's why I don't watch OT. The American ons may be schmaltzy but the approach is a lot more humane.

Caliden · 11-02-2016 02:28PM

mickdw wrote: »

I'm pretty satisfied that they are manipulating the results to add to the excitement of the show.
Take John conmy.

1 Small weight loss - gets abuse
2 Small weight loss - gets abuse
Expert goes to visit him then
3 Massive weight loss of 8 pounds
following week
4 Weight gain of 1.5 pounds.

His loss probably averages out at 3 or 4 pounds per week but that wouldn't be exciting enough for tv.

Weekly weight loss taken at one point of a certain day isn't the ideal way to measure it, even if he is a big lad.

Daily/twice daily measurements for a week and average it out.

Sure if he drank a litre of water before the measurement he would have gained over 2lbs

sideswipe · 11-02-2016 02:32PM

Caught this bit while flicking through channels before the news last night. I promptly changed channel after Kathryn T's long dramatic pause before announcing the weight gain- trying to heighten the drama. I'm sure there were hi 5's amongst the production team.

While there are some very important messages in this type of show, it's not a healthy, sustainable model for looking after yourself long terms. Expecting so much change in a relatively short space of time after a lifetime of self abuse:(

This show is nothing more than a post christmas cash cow for RTE. They feed on peoples insecurities as well as their self loathing for the excess of the christmas holidays. Then get diet and fitness companies to pay a fortune for adverts during the ad breaks.

Sam Kade · 11-02-2016 02:46PM

valoren wrote: »

I've been following the main meal plans and have lost half a stone.
There's a lot of waste with the shopping though that's my only complaint.
They don't re-use the ingredients enough and the perishables end up in the bin.
Instead of re-using them yourself you'd end up adding them in so as not to waste them thus adding calories.

I'm sure the OP's point is that the guy was being psychoanalysed on national television.
You'd know what to expect when you apply I'm sure.
He has missed his weight loss target for two weeks in a row.
If appearing on national television doesn't light a fire under your ass to motivate your weight loss then there is something deeper and serious going on with the chap.

And that would need to be dealt with privately and not with cliched psychobabble/warts and all reality TV.

Their meal plan is a diet plan for your wallet not your waist. It's simple to lose weight all they are doing is making it seem impossible I bet they put more people off losing weight than encouraging them.

Mahou · 11-02-2016 02:54PM

My notes from the show

Water bottles, ah here gtfo
High viz jackets by 1000
And Eddie Murphy doesn´t even laugh.

liam7831 · 17-02-2016 09:30PM

Flash mob tonight.....does anyone else cringe watching this crap

Sam Kade · 18-02-2016 01:31PM

liam7831 wrote: »

Flash mob tonight.....does anyone else cringe watching this crap

The crocodile tears even Thomas opened the flood gates. Ok, I know it's though that that woman lost her son but they are milking the sh1te out of it.

Oranage2 · 18-02-2016 01:43PM

Lights On wrote: »

I'd much rather RTE spent my money on making a show called Operation Transformers where two groups of people set out to make a giant robot and at the end of the series have them both fight to the death!

Isn't this just robot wars?

gormdubhgorm · 18-02-2016 01:50PM

I can't stick this show at all for a number of reasons:
1) The manufacturing of over emotional stuff
2) People giving emotional sob stories
3) Piano music played behind emotional sob stories for added effect!

My question is all of this necessary for the show?
Do people enjoy this aspect?

I don't watch it at all by the way. One sob story, while flicking through channels is enough.

NIMAN · 18-02-2016 01:52PM

Rte does love the misery.
You only have to look at their prime time TV and radio shows. Misery, misery, misery.

Agricola · 18-02-2016 02:12PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I can't stick this show at all for a number of reasons:
1) The manufacturing of over emotional stuff
2) People giving emotional sob stories
3) Piano music played behind emotional sob stories for added effect!

My question is all of this necessary for the show?
Do people enjoy this aspect?

I don't watch it at all by the way. One sob story, while flicking through channels is enough.

Exactly the same for me. I sort of casually followed it in one of the early seasons with Gerry Ryan. It was actually decent back then because it focused on the task at hand and there was far less of the piano misery.
But they have obviously cottoned on that that will only get so many viewers. The X Factor formula is obviously a ratings winner so that's what we get.
This sort of OTT public flogging of the people involved is manufactured bollóx too.
And Kathryn "mad yolk" Thomas..... if it wasn't for her sensational figure hugging outfits, well I couldn't watch it all.

Sam Kade · 18-02-2016 02:51PM

One of the contestants had a call from the revenue, more misery. I guess you can expect them to call if you ignore your tax bill. Why would you even make that information public?

Sam Kade · 18-02-2016 02:53PM

Agricola wrote: »

Exactly the same for me. I sort of casually followed it in one of the early seasons with Gerry Ryan. It was actually decent back then because it focused on the task at hand and there was far less of the piano misery.
But they have obviously cottoned on that that will only get so many viewers. The X Factor formula is obviously a ratings winner so that's what we get.
This sort of OTT public flogging of the people involved is manufactured bollóx too.
And Kathryn "mad yolk" Thomas..... if it wasn't for her sensational figure hugging outfits, well I couldn't watch it all.

Potential-Monke · 18-02-2016 03:05PM

Lights On wrote: »

I'd much rather RTE spent my money on making a show called Operation Transformers where two groups of people set out to make a giant robot and at the end of the series have them both fight to the death!

It's happening!!!

Operation Transformation

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