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Sticky situation with customs

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    #62
    canhefixit
    Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭canhefixit


    Still no further on with this today

    She has been advised to go above him and complain about his handling of this, he wont return any calls and now shes afraid to use the car incase shes pulled in and it taken off her so complete catch 22 situation

    If this whole thing was any way to avoid this or that I woudnt even have put it up here, its just the woman thought she was doing it 100% the right and legal way, now it seems with what some are saying about living in the NI for so many days may be the bit were she is got but sure she couldnt of still used her old irish plate car in the north and she wouldnt of done that anyway but complete catch 22 by sounds of it


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    #63
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,789 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Good point on the "not having a southern address"

    How can you register the car in the south and pay the vrt if you give them a northern address to send all correspondence to?


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    #64
    FrKurtFahrt
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭FrKurtFahrt


    As a matter of interest, has the sister made any claims in the State - for example, children's allowance or any benefits whatever from the DSP?


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    #65
    esforum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    OP,
    If she is living up north there should be toll reciepts etc showing her travelling to work perhaps?


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    #66
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, has the sister made any claims in the State - for example, children's allowance or any benefits whatever from the DSP?

    Even if living in the North the OP would be entitled to Children's Allowance by virtue of working in the South. The question is more whether she informed them of the change of address etc. in a timely way. These changes should have been done before changing the car.


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    #67
    FrKurtFahrt
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭FrKurtFahrt


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Even if living in the North the OP would be entitled to Children's Allowance by virtue of working in the South. The question is more whether she informed them of the change of address etc. in a timely way. These changes should have been done before changing the car.

    I'm not so sure. I'm almost positive that only residents of the Republic are entitled to allowances. I'm open to correction om that. If it IS the case that she is receiving any DSP payouts then she must pay VRT, imo.


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    #68
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    I'm not so sure. I'm almost positive that only residents of the Republic are entitled to allowances. I'm open to correction om that. If it IS the case that she is receiving any DSP payouts then she must pay VRT, imo.

    Source for this statement please, half the posts here seem to be entirely without foundation. Didn't David Cameron recently make an agreement in Brussels about the payment of children's allowance for children living in other EU countries?


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    #69
    FrKurtFahrt
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭FrKurtFahrt


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Source for this statement please, half the posts here seem to be entirely without foundation. Didn't David Cameron recently make an agreement in Brussels about the payment of children's allowance for children living in other EU countries?

    Like I said, I'm not sure. It was an opinion I had, and if its wrong, thats ok. I've been wrong previously.


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    #70
    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Source for this statement please, half the posts here seem to be entirely without foundation. Didn't David Cameron recently make an agreement in Brussels about the payment of children's allowance for children living in other EU countries?

    That's for EU nationals living, working and paying tax/social insurance in one country while their children live in a different country. Not sure how it works for an EU national living in a country with their children while paying tax and social insurance in a different country.


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    #71
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Del2005 wrote: »
    That's for EU nationals living, working and paying tax/social insurance in one country while their children live in a different country. Not sure how it works for an EU national living in a country with their children while paying tax and social insurance in a different country.

    In general, it works exactly the same as it is based on the working and social insurance.


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    #72
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    canhefixit wrote: »
    Still no further on with this today

    She has been advised to go above him and complain about his handling of this, he wont return any calls and now shes afraid to use the car incase shes pulled in and it taken off her so complete catch 22 situation

    If this whole thing was any way to avoid this or that I woudnt even have put it up here, its just the woman thought she was doing it 100% the right and legal way, now it seems with what some are saying about living in the NI for so many days may be the bit were she is got but sure she couldnt of still used her old irish plate car in the north and she wouldnt of done that anyway but complete catch 22 by sounds of it

    If that was me, I'd sell the car and just drive utter bangers for a while, so when Mr Customs man takes them off me, I could say "fcuking keep it and good luck to you" and drive a different fiddy buck banger next week. Might be tempted to declare it stolen...


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    #73
    ligertigon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭ligertigon


    Personally, If I felt I was right, I would keep driving the car. If they decide to impound it, so be it. To me that would be like giving them rope.

    If the car was bought/owned prior to moving up north, thats a different story.


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    #74
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    ligertigon wrote: »
    Personally, If I felt I was right, I would keep driving the car. If they decide to impound it, so be it. To me that would be like giving them rope.

    If the car was bought/owned prior to moving up north, thats a different story.

    There is zero to be gained from allowing Revenue to impound the car. They might do it out of spite, knowing full well that this will cost the person hassle and enormous cost. And is the OP prepared to either pay them their blackmail money or tell them to stick it and potentially write off the car? Because I don't think there's an easy appeals process like for the clampers, customs guy knows OP's sis will have to take time out, travel, incur legal expenses and even if she wins, it will cost her more than if she just rolls over and hands over the money customs is looking for.


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    #75
    Andy_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Andy_Dublin


    From what I can see here it's just a fine he's imposing your sister, even when she pays that fine she will have 30 days to register the car in the south and have to pay the VRT. So just paying the fine won't be the end of the matter unfortunately. If he seizes the car she won't get it back until the fine is paid and she books an appointment with the NCT to VRT the car. He can also keep the car until the VRT is paid if he so wishes.

    Some people don't seem to realise that the officer knows where she works, if she lets them take the car and gets another they'll just come back again and take that one too. Personally, I would say she was reported by a work colleague.

    Can't really see how this can be resolved as residency seems to be the only issue.... Pretty ****ty situation tbh...


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    #76
    Andy_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Andy_Dublin


    From what I can see here it's just a fine he's imposing your sister, even when she pays that fine she will have 30 days to register the car in the south and have to pay the VRT. So just paying the fine won't be the end of the matter unfortunately. If he seizes the car she won't get it back until the fine is paid and she books an appointment with the NCT to VRT the car. He can also keep the car until the VRT is paid if he so wishes.

    Some people don't seem to realise that the officer knows where she works, if she lets them take the car and gets another they'll just come back again and take that one too. Personally, I would say she was reported by a work colleague.

    Can't really see how this can be resolved as residency seems to be the only issue.... Pretty ****ty situation tbh...


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    #77
    esforum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    FrKurtFahrt wrote: »
    I'm not so sure. I'm almost positive that only residents of the Republic are entitled to allowances. I'm open to correction om that. If it IS the case that she is receiving any DSP payouts then she must pay VRT, imo.

    Thats incorrect, the social here will tell you that but they have been overruled by the EU on more than one occasion.

    The way child benefit operates now, the mother and child need not be a resident privided they are dependents on a citizen of the state ie daddy lives and works here. they tried to fight that but again, lost.


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    #78
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Andy_Dublin wrote: »
    From what I can see here it's just a fine he's imposing your sister, even when she pays that fine she will have 30 days to register the car in the south and have to pay the VRT. So just paying the fine won't be the end of the matter unfortunately. If he seizes the car she won't get it back until the fine is paid and she books an appointment with the NCT to VRT the car. He can also keep the car until the VRT is paid if he so wishes.

    Some people don't seem to realise that the officer knows where she works, if she lets them take the car and gets another they'll just come back again and take that one too. Personally, I would say she was reported by a work colleague.

    Can't really see how this can be resolved as residency seems to be the only issue.... Pretty ****ty situation tbh...

    Jaysus eh. I hope I never land a job with that company


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    #79
    canhefixit
    Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭canhefixit


    Just an update on this for the people interested

    Meeting took place yesterday in the customs office, she went and so did the solicitor, he furnished again a copy of all the documentation he had already been given and was asked for, the customs man was asked were exactly had he the grounds to keep the seizure notice on the car and he said he still wasnt satisifed with the information given!

    The solicitor said to him wether or not he is satisifed or not is irrelavant at this stage, he has been given everyting asked and more, and that he will gladly take this to court as my sister is liable for no fine nor have they any grounds to have the car seized

    Customs man left the room for about 10 mins, came back in with paperwork in hand, said he had to run something by a colleague, then proceeded to say seizure would be lifted and any investigation against my sister was finished

    So it did seem he took it upon himself to pursue this to the bitter end, I gather that no matter what he was going to be given he still would not be happy, not until the solicitor basically said take it to court and you will lose then did he back down, fairly unprofessional and imo just a jumped up power ego officer thinking he was judge and jury

    Anyway sorted now, maybe this help someone else out some day in the same situation


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    #80
    Truckermal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    That's great news i hope she follows him for any costs incurred..:)


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    #81
    ba_barabus
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    Happy to stand corrected and shocked at his behaviour. I'd follow up with anew official complaint tbh as that behaviour isn't acceptable.


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    #82
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    That's great news op.

    It seems we have some absolute toooollllssss working at revenue customs and in the police force.

    I could never understand why they go after the genuine people and keep going by the other pr1cks that should be done.

    I am sick of it and I hope your sister pushes a complaint.

    I am in the middle of it with a jumped up little piggy at the moment.


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    #83
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Great news. Its on occasions like this that I'd love if we were allowed to name and shame that pr1ck of a Customs Officer


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    #84
    Buffman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Buffman


    canhefixit wrote: »
    Just an update on this for the people interested

    Thanks for the update, glad she got sorted.

    Unfortunately when dealing with customs things can be very hit and miss. They have massive powers, can arrest people, but are at the end of the day civil servants. Unlike a police force, they are not trained as officers from day one. Most would have joined the civil service as ordinary clerical workers, transfered to the Department of Finance, and then transfered to Revenue, and then customs.

    This can sometimes show in levels of professionalism or lack thereof.

    If your sister wants to complain to Revenue, information is here.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles to avoid the DRS fee.



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    #85
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,277 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    canhefixit wrote: »
    Just an update on this for the people interested

    Meeting took place yesterday in the customs office, she went and so did the solicitor, he furnished again a copy of all the documentation he had already been given and was asked for, the customs man was asked were exactly had he the grounds to keep the seizure notice on the car and he said he still wasnt satisifed with the information given!

    The solicitor said to him wether or not he is satisifed or not is irrelavant at this stage, he has been given everyting asked and more, and that he will gladly take this to court as my sister is liable for no fine nor have they any grounds to have the car seized

    Customs man left the room for about 10 mins, came back in with paperwork in hand, said he had to run something by a colleague, then proceeded to say seizure would be lifted and any investigation against my sister was finished

    So it did seem he took it upon himself to pursue this to the bitter end, I gather that no matter what he was going to be given he still would not be happy, not until the solicitor basically said take it to court and you will lose then did he back down, fairly unprofessional and imo just a jumped up power ego officer thinking he was judge and jury

    Anyway sorted now, maybe this help someone else out some day in the same situation

    the guy's name wasnt bruce was it? small guy, strong dublin accent?


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    #86
    slimjimmc
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    Mod: No names or other identifying characteristics please.


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    #87
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,277 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    For the purposes of clarity it was an attempt at humour and nothing else.


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    #88
    forumuser
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭forumuser


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    For the purposes of clarity it was an attempt at humour and nothing else.

    It's OK amigo - I got it :)


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    #89
    cml387
    Registered Users Posts: 8,389 ✭✭✭cml387


    I think looking back over the thread and the amount of different opinions expressed seem to indicate that the customs officer had some reason to be doubtful.

    I'm glad that it was sorted out to the OP's advantage (at the cost of the solicitor) but throwing words around like "prick" is unfair to the customs officer concerned imo.


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    #90
    REXER
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭REXER


    cml387 wrote: »
    I think looking back over the thread and the amount of different opinions expressed seem to indicate that the customs officer had some reason to be doubtful.

    I'm glad that it was sorted out to the OP's advantage (at the cost of the solicitor) but throwing words around like "prick" is unfair to the customs officer concerned imo.

    No, its not. He was clearly on a power trip and wouldn't listen to anything said to him!

    And as you pointed out, the OP is down the cost of the solicitor thanks to this guys attitude!


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    #91
    O.A.P
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭O.A.P


    cml387 wrote: »
    I think looking back over the thread and the amount of different opinions expressed seem to indicate that the customs officer had some reason to be doubtful.

    I'm glad that it was sorted out to the OP's advantage (at the cost of the solicitor) but throwing words around like "prick" is unfair to the customs officer concerned imo.

    Why not ?
    If this story is true then this customs officer is about as bad a prick as I ever want to meet.
    Is it true though ?


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