Sex dolls for paedophiles

Mister Vain

A company is manufacturing sex dolls for paedophiles who want to control their sexual impulses. The founder says that they may well be a valuable weapon in the fight against the sexual abuse of real children. What's your thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lifelike-child-sex-dolls-created-7177869

One More Toy

Mister Vain wrote: »

A company is manufacturing sex dolls for paedophiles who want to control their sexual impulses. The founder says that they may well be a valuable weapon in the fight against the sexual abuse of real children. What's your thoughts on this?



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lifelike-child-sex-dolls-created-7177869

The idea is young, we will see if it takes off

Tigger

Sell them , track them, arrest them

hatrickpatrick

Well, that's... That's enough internet for today, I think!

Uncle Ben

Mister Vain wrote: »

A company is manufacturing sex dolls for paedophiles who want to control their sexual impulses. The founder says that they may well be a valuable weapon in the fight against the sexual abuse of real children. What's your thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lifelike-child-sex-dolls-created-7177869

Id say there is a market in Cologne and Stockholm for them.

thattequilagirl

Tigger wrote: »

Sell them , track them, arrest them

I'm not sure you can arrest someone for having paedophilic thoughts if they've never touched a kid/watched child porn

marckavanagh

I don't think it's a good idea. I think they should be encouraged to repress their sexual desires. But I'm no psychological expert.

suicide_circus

Where does a sexuality end and a pathology begin?

eviltwin

Tigger wrote: »

Sell them , track them, arrest them

It's not illegal to fcuk a doll even one that looks like a kid.

Not sure how I feel about this to be honest.

osarusan

Any evidence that they are effective at all?

Tigger

Tigger wrote: »

Sell them , track them, arrest them

Not unless they do something illegal, surely? You can't charge them with the crime of just existing.

eviltwin wrote: »

It's not illegal to fcuk a doll even one that looks like a kid.

Not sure how I feel about this to be honest.

Yeah, it sounds like a panacea but it could lead to escalating behaviours by giving them a 'taste' of what they're attracted to. I just can't see it leading to healthy decisions or suppression of unhealthy desires.

And it could work for one and set another on the road to escalation. You just can't tell.

Tigger

eviltwin wrote: »

It's not illegal to fcuk a doll even one that looks like a kid.

Not sure how I feel about this to be honest.

I'ts illegal to depict a person as underage in media
Dolls are media
They want to fcuk kids

I don't want them to so put them in gaol

somesoldiers

What was to stop them molesting a Cabbage Patch doll before this? Fit the lot of them with bear trap like devices I say

thattequilagirl

Tigger wrote: »

They want to fcuk kids
I don't want them to so put them in gaol

Again, it's not illegal to want to do something. Thoughtcrime isn't a thing.

Sh1tbag OToole

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I'm not sure you can arrest someone for having paedophilic thoughts if they've never touched a kid/watched child porn

Yet

Canadel

Mister Vain wrote: »

What's your thoughts on this?

I'll reserve judgement until I see the quality and durability of them.

eviltwin

Tigger wrote: »

I'ts illegal to depict a person as underage in media
Dolls are media
They want to fcuk kids

I don't want them to so put them in gaol

I suppose it depends on if they are classed as dolls or sex toys. I doubt they would get the go ahead here but Japan has its own morality around acceptable sexual behaviour.

ceadaoin.

I don't know, I feel this might lead to them escalating their behaviour against actual children. I'm sure many paedophiles go on to abuse children themselves after watching images of abuse online so why is this different? The dolls themselves are disturbingly sexualised versions of children and just make me feel very uneasy.

c_man

I don't doubt that not all paedos actually act on their urges, so maybe this could help them?

Then again this could encourage people to go through with the real deal if they get a taste for it. Ah, I dunno... I really don't.

One eyed Jack

Mister Vain wrote: »

A company is manufacturing sex dolls for paedophiles who want to control their sexual impulses. The founder says that they may well be a valuable weapon in the fight against the sexual abuse of real children. What's your thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lifelike-child-sex-dolls-created-7177869

I think at €14k a pop, the inventor of these plastic dolls couldn't give two fcuks about the fight against sexual abuse of real children.

It's marketing, simple as that.

I just hate the idea of representations of innocent little kids being marketed as sex toys. It's sexualising kids and it's pretty sickening.

AtomicHorror

suicide_circus wrote: »

Where does a sexuality end and a pathology begin?

Where harming a person is involved, including possibly the person with the offending orientation/deviation/whateveryoucallit.

No harm, no pathology.

Uncle Ben

Can't see Smyths selling them.

Mister Vain

Mister Vain wrote: »

A company is manufacturing sex dolls for paedophiles who want to control their sexual impulses. The founder says that they may well be a valuable weapon in the fight against the sexual abuse of real children. What's your thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lifelike-child-sex-dolls-created-7177869

At worst they could use to the dolls to practice on before trying it "for real" :mad:

It doesn't always mean that if you can act it out that you'll be satisfied and won't want to do it for real.

AtomicHorror

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't know, I feel this might lead to them escalating their behaviour against actual children.

c_man wrote: »

I don't doubt that not all paedos actually act on their urges, so maybe this could help them?

Then again this could encourage people to go through with the real deal if they get a taste for it. Ah, I dunno... I really don't.

So, trials then. Can't really test for non-offenders since those guys are pretty unlikely to announce themselves, but we release convicted offenders of various grades all the time. We have a list of them. We know the rates of reoffending for various different offences. Someone could do a trial to test if this "intervention" reduces that rate. Of course there's an ethically tricky part- it could indeed increase the rate. But how else would we ever know?

There's a study mentioned in the article, but it only says use of the dolls doesn't change user's orientation, which is not really the same question.

It would be a lot easier to dismiss or accept this idea if we actually had some information other than some possibly-slimy salescreature's word.

AtomicHorror

AtomicHorror wrote: »

So, trials then. Can't really test for non-offenders since those guys are pretty unlikely to announce themselves, but we release convicted offenders of various grades all the time. We have a list of them. We know the rates of reoffending for various different offences. Someone could do a trial to test if this "intervention" reduces that rate. Of course there's an ethically tricky part- it could indeed increase the rate. But how else would we ever know?

There's a study mentioned in the article, but it only says use of the dolls doesn't change user's orientation, which is not really the same question.

It would be a lot easier to dismiss or accept this idea if we actually had some information other than some possibly-slimy salescreature's word.

Send a consignment to Arbour Hill, but you'll never know if they're successful as the peado's are in for the long term.

mzungu

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I think at €14k a pop, the inventor of these plastic dolls couldn't give two fcuks about the fight against sexual abuse of real children.

It's marketing, simple as that.

Yeah, I mean if somebody was having those kind of impulses then surely it would be better to spend 14K on getting professional help rather than a doll.

darkpagandeath

It's not a child it's an inanimate object. And I highly doubt it would stop paedophiles impulses.

mzungu

mzungu wrote: »

Yeah, I mean if somebody was having those kind of impulses then surely it would be better to spend 14K on getting professional help rather than a doll.

Exactly, the doll just gives them a medium to indulge their impulses.

Animated depictions of child porn are illegal, so I wonder what the legal status of something like this is.

LETHAL LADY

You can be sure that local postman and couriers have a giggle and a chat about some of the orders they have to deliver.
Can you imagine if they have to bring one of these ****ing sick creations to Mary or Tom at No10.
Wouldn't be long before the whole town would be having a good auld chinwag about it and everything else that would ensue.
Horrible product and poorly thought out to boot.

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

It's not a child it's an inanimate object. And I highly doubt it would stop paedophiles impulses.

You are right. It wouldn't stop paedophilic impulses but it possibly may contain them. The doll becomes the focus for their pleasure rather than a child. Paedophilia, while abhorrent to right minded people, is very complex. Some despise themselves for how they feel and will try anything to overcome their urges. Other's have no such qualms and will act out. It can't be cured only managed. There is an argument for it to be viewed as another type of sexuality.

Personally I believe any person who sexually abuses a child regardless of the psychology behind it are vile and pathetic creatures.

JupiterKid

I think that whilst the motive behind such a sex toy might be honourable - to get people with paedophile tendencies to engage with these objects as opposed to real children - they may just end up in whetting the paedophile's appetite for more.

Not a great idea really. Paedophiles need help and to be kept well away from children.

LETHAL LADY

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

You can be sure that local postman and couriers have a giggle and a chat about some of the orders they have to deliver.
Can you imagine if they have to bring one of these ****ing sick creations to Mary or Tom at No10.
Wouldn't be long before the whole town would be having a good auld chinwag about it and everything else that would ensue.
Horrible product and poorly thought out to boot.

I find it hard to imagine it being sent in a package labelled ""paedo doll" or the like, as far as postie is concerned, it's a parcel that weighs (whatever) and it's addressed to X at Y in Z so he has to go to the end of the alphabet to deliver it.

miece16

Tigger wrote: »

I'ts illegal to depict a person as underage in media
Dolls are media
They want to fcuk kids

I don't want them to so put them in gaol

dolls are media? what the hell are you on about?

are you sure you know what you're talking about?

Canadel

JupiterKid wrote: »

Not a great idea really. Paedophiles need help and to be kept well away from children.

Just because a person is a paedophile does not mean they can't control their sexual urges. Not all paedophiles are necessarily child molesters.

LETHAL LADY

Deleted User wrote: »

I find it hard to imagine it being sent in a package labelled ""paedo doll" or the like, as far as postie is concerned, it's a parcel that weighs (whatever) and it's addressed to X at Y in Z so he has to go to the end of the alphabet to deliver it.

Obviously not , but you'd be fairly naive to think they wouldn't know about, shall we say, about the more unusual items they deliver. It has more to do with the origin than the destination so I've been led to believe.

LETHAL LADY

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Obviously not , but you'd be fairly naive to think they wouldn't know about, shall we say, about the more unusual items they deliver. It has more to do with the origin than the destination so I've been led to believe.

Unless it had a return address of "Paedo dolls Ltd" on it, I doubt that they'll have a clue.
The only couriers who would have a clue would be those who collect from the warehouse.

esforum

Whos gonna buy em? Your admitting to being a paedo.

Then again, whos gonna stock them? Paedophiles arent exactly the clientel you want nor will catering for them do your business any favours

Having looked at the image, nope. Its not gonna stop child abuse, merely be a stop on the way or worse yet, temptation for those that resist the urge

esforum

Canadel wrote: »

Just because a person is a paedophile does not mean they can't control their sexual urges. Not all paedophiles are necessarily child molesters.

they still shouldnt be near children. Not all alcoholics still drink but you dont see many in the boozer

PizzamanIRL

Thanks OP, now I have 'sex dolls for paedophiles' in my internet history.

R.D. aka MR.D

Deleted User wrote: »

You are right. It wouldn't stop paedophilic impulses but it possibly may contain them. The doll becomes the focus for their pleasure rather than a child. Paedophilia, while abhorrent to right minded people, is very complex. Some despise themselves for how they feel and will try anything to overcome their urges. Other's have no such qualms and will act out. It can't be cured only managed. There is an argument for it to be viewed as another type of sexuality.

I believe that chemical castration has proved quite good at reducing the urges etc. So I don't know why if some one was trying to control their urges and had the 14k that they wouldn't go for that option.

But as you say, plenty just go with it and don't have a problem with their desires.

Saying that, I've seen all sorts of sick crap in Japan. Somebody must be buying it.

LETHAL LADY

Deleted User wrote: »

Unless it had a return address of "Paedo dolls Ltd" on it, I doubt that they'll have a clue.
The only couriers who would have a clue would be those who collect from the warehouse.

Most large items from unusual destinations are scanned through customs are they not?
As are the larger items coming through the sort centre in Portlaoise for An Post I'd think?
Now if it was a container load going through a private courier I'd agree they'd get through unnoticed, but I doubt this would be the case for such a horrible item.
I'm talking about small town Ireland here by the way.

The Sidewards Man

If they are molesting dolls they will molest the real thing, sick cnuts.

R.D. aka MR.D

R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »

I believe that chemical castration has proved quite good at reducing the urges etc. So I don't know why if some one was trying to control their urges and had the 14k that they wouldn't go for that option.

But as you say, plenty just go with it and don't have a problem with their desires.

Saying that, I've seen all sorts of sick crap in Japan. Somebody must be buying it.

You are right about chemical castration. Does it only take away the physical urge though? I mean the mind, the pathology, they must stay the same. I don't think there is an answer unfortunately.

Balmed Out

terrible idea, id presume all it would do is make them want a child more and normalize it in their head.

Canadel

esforum wrote: »

they still shouldnt be near children. Not all alcoholics still drink but you dont see many in the boozer

Heterosexual men shouldn't be allowed near women either I suppose?

.45auto

Na this is enabling behaviour. We are saying "you cant have sex with children but you can have sex with the next best thing" whether we like to admit it or not if you have sexual thoughts about kids you are mentally ill. Theres no fix for whats wrong with them

Canadel

Canadel wrote: »

Heterosexual men shouldn't be allowed near women either I suppose?

So by that logic do you believe paedophilia to be another type of sexuality?

Easca Peasca

I'd be very much against the idea.

It's facilitating the needs and wants of a sick mind. Individuals with the disorder should not be facilitated, they should be monitored and every possible obstacle put in place between them and a young person.

Give them a doll to be at and you've knocked the first domino.

PucaMama

This is disgusting.

JupiterKid

Canadel wrote: »

Just because a person is a paedophile does not mean they can't control their sexual urges. Not all paedophiles are necessarily child molesters.

I'm well aware of that. But is is common sense to try to keep paedophiles away from children.