Moore street sit in

downwesht

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

dodderangler

So let's just forget about 1916 then? Possibly the most historic day in Irish history? If that's the case why didn't we cancel Christmas and New year's and sure throw in Patrick's day aswell .
Yes it is terrible what's happened but post in on boards isn't going to help it .

Full Marx

madness wanting to knock down those historic buildings to put up another bloody shopping centre, all to benefit a corrupt Nama developer.

Guy:Incognito

Full Marx wrote: »

madness wanting to knock down those historic buildings to put up another bloody shopping centre, all to benefit a corrupt Nama developer.

Being old and happening to be next door to the buildings being restored as part of the 1916 works doesnt make a building historic or even worth preserving.

smash

Book your spots for the sit in... 3 for a fiver!

Mint Sauce

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

Whilst the government do waste money on the unnecessary, i would not put one of the most important days, in this country, and maybe the Islands history in that category.

Maybe instead of re carpeting the corridors of Leinster House, they could have put that money towards the floods instead.

Eugene Norman

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

It's typically Irish to not want to spend money on commemorations of independence, or major historical events.

20Cent

Most countries would preserve those buildings, have an interpretive centre and turn it into a historical tourist attraction. Our gov don't have the imagination beyond a shopping mall.

AMKC

dodderangler wrote: »

So let's just forget about 1916 then? Possibly the most historic day in Irish history? If that's the case why didn't we cancel Christmas and New year's and sure throw in Patrick's day aswell .
Yes it is terrible what's happened but post in on boards isn't going to help it .

Great idea I think we should cancel them 3 days they are all just commercial now anyways.

As for 1916 no keep that as that is an important event and day in Irish History.

gctest50

20Cent wrote: »

Most countries would preserve those buildings, have an interpretive centre and turn it into a historical tourist attraction. Our gov don't have the imagination beyond a shopping mall.

More people would go to the shopping centre though if they bulldozed the lots and built one

Then you could have yer interpretive centre in the middle of the shopping centre

AMKC

Full Marx wrote: »

madness wanting to knock down those historic buildings to put up another bloody shopping centre, all to benefit a corrupt Nama developer.

Agree totally. That should not happen but the old Carlton cinema site certainly needs something done there. I agree that the important buildings should be kept as long as they have historical significants. If not the there is no point keeping them.

CatFromHue

I'm not fully sure what the people are protesting about.

The key buildings are being renovated as they're in a bad way at the moment but appears some of the protestors don't seem happy that they don't know exactly what's happening.

As Eirigi are involved I'm against them until they give a good reason for me not to be.

downwesht

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

20Cent

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

Old doesn't necessarily mean historic.

Nodin

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
"

You think that people might go down to the banks of the Shannon and protest until it stops flooding?

downwesht wrote: »

In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

What "lavish ceremonies"?

Nodin

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm not fully sure what the people are protesting about.

The key buildings are being renovated as they're in a bad way at the moment but appears some of the protestors don't seem happy that they don't know exactly what's happening..

Essentially they don't trust the renovators or the government not to destroy the place. Theres good grounds for this, given the dubious goings on over the site and given the fact its now FG in power.

CatFromHue wrote: »

As Eirigi are involved I'm against them until they give a good reason for me not to be.

It's not an Eirigi protest, afaik they invited themselves as per usual.

Richard Hillman

They went in to "inspect" the work being carried out. I didnt know these groups were amateur structural engineers along with legal experts.

My name is URL

In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.

A lot of those flood 'victims' have for years objected to the building of better flood defenses.

The government are now begging insurance companies to facilitate their idiotic decisions

Fcuk that. People care more abut 1916 than they do about stubborn **** who repeatedly ignore warnings

PARlance

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

Ah com'on, if you're going to present some sort of argument for a fiscal policy lead by a sob story priority list that the government should undertake, then you should lead it with a story about a kid with cancer or something.

Or do smelly carpets trump cancer?????

hatrickpatrick

gctest50 wrote: »

More people would go to the shopping centre though if they bulldozed the lots and built one

Then you could have yer interpretive centre in the middle of the shopping centre

Dublin is overrun with bland shopping centres already, why would one more be so much better than the others?

Nodin

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Dublin is overrun with bland shopping centres already, why would one more be so much better than the others?

According to this, theres more than renovation going on

Just before the Christmas break the Government voted against saving Moore St from total demolition. After which the High Court allowed a last minute challenge to works taking place at the 1916 National Monument 14 to 17. However, while information is still very sparse, today work began apparently gutting 7 of the buildings with a plan to demolish 2 either side of the National Monument. A commencement notice had been granted for surveying building features in the National Monument but the works seem to be far more extensive. Fronts are being removed and the interiors are being left open to elements.

"The “1916 Quarter Development Bill 2015″ quite simply would have meant that the 4 buildings which are part of the National Monument would not be surrounded by a shopping centre and the street would be preserved. I could not believe the Government would actively vote against this and pave the way for demolition of the street. We lost so much of Viking Dublin, Tara, the Mendicity Institution and we very nearly lost Kilmainham Gaol, are we now going to lose another significant historical area and for what – another shopping mall, another shopping centre in an area surrounded by shops and shopping centres when long time shops such as Clerys and Boyers stuggle/d to keep there doors open. While Nos. 14 to 17 Moore Street will be preserved as a national monument, that will be accompanied by the total obliteration of the laneways of history."
http://maureenosullivan.ie/latest-news/government-vote-to-demolish-moore-st/

We can add this on to this list of classic examples of "sure what is use for anyway?" decisions by Irish governments since the foundation of the state.

downwesht

Much of the country wouldn't mind if we lost Dublin as a whole!

twowheelsonly

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

History is what gave me the right and the ability to buy and live in that house in the first place.

I'm presuming that this is personal to you or someone close to you ??

Junkyard Tom

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It's typically Irish to not want to spend money on commemorations of independence, or major historical events.

Typically Irish of the Fine Gael type - their 1916 commemoration video was described by historian Diarmiad Ferriter as "embarrassing unhistorical sh*t" for including cameos of the British Queen and Prime Minister while the Easter Rising leaders didn't get a look in.

They're an embarrassment to this nation.

end of the road

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Being old and happening to be next door to the buildings being restored as part of the 1916 works doesnt make a building historic or even worth preserving.

all those particular houses were used. they also add character to the area especially if restored. we have plenty of shopping centres. and if not, plenty of places where they can go without destroying probably the most famous part of dublin

gctest50 wrote: »

More people would go to the shopping centre though if they bulldozed the lots and built one

Then you could have yer interpretive centre in the middle of the shopping centre

not really as there are plenty of more convenient, more accessible shopping centres in dublin all ready. also, there is the foreign tourist factor with this. foreign tourists aren't going to be attracted to some tinpot irish shopping centre as they would have plenty of bigger, better then anything we could build ones at home.

downwesht wrote: »

There was a man on the news during the week that was put out of his 300 year old house because of flooding,is he not entitled to have his historic home restored?

Yes, history is important,but so is our future and moreso the present.

Look around your living room tonight,imagine it with 1 foot of chocolate coloured smelly water covering the floor.....think of the fridge floating in the kitchen.....all the contents of your cupboards ruined.......what good is history to you now?????

believe it or not there are multiple issues every day, all over the world. people can care about multiple things. yes its aweful what those effected by the floods are going through, but the world cannot stop turning and we can't sweep everything else asside.

downwesht wrote: »

Much of the country wouldn't mind if we lost Dublin as a whole!

well, that says more about them then everyone else. and yes, i'm from and live in a rural area way outside dublin

masti123

They are going to demolish Moore street, the lanes, battlefield site and only preserve the shells of two of the buildings, shame shame shame.

Seriously - f*ck Fine Gael for letting this go ahead. We are going to have a parade and speeches about 1916, our history, how seriously the government is committed to Irish culture etc., etc., outside the GPO this Easter Sunday and right beside the podium there's going to be builders hoarding hiding the dump trucks that are carrying away what's left of Moore street while they build yet another cheap ****ty shopping center - further ruining the look of the surrounding 18 & 19C streetscapes.
The protesters calling it an act of cultural vandalism are absolutely bang on.

terenc

Moore street is a fecking kip street full of scangers selling anything from drugs to guns and as for the people hanging out ot the scaphling protecting these historical buildings give me a bucket . This street is a joke.

Shurimgreat

Let's be honest, these properties are only going to hold an interest for a few months next year and after that they and the surrounding buildings will be forgotten about and probably will not a major tourist attraction.

My understanding is there is a need to demolish ajoining buildings to help shore up the foundations of the main properties. I don't see the issue here other than some people trying to hijack it for publicity.

WoollyRedHat

Another shopping mall? **** me, we already have the monstrosity that is Ilac, we should be demolishing them, not building moore.

the groutch

look at Moore Street Mall, it's an absolute kip.
are they really giving two fingers to our national heritage for a similar waste of space?

end of the road

terenc wrote: »

Moore street is a fecking kip street full of scangers selling anything from drugs to guns and as for the people hanging out ot the scaphling protecting these historical buildings give me a bucket . This street is a joke.

have you passed any evidence of drug and gun selling on to the gards? or are you just making it up? at least those trying to protect our history care about something. some would destroy everything of our history if it gave them a quick buck. your right, something is a joke. its not those trying to protect these buildings however.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Let's be honest, these properties are only going to hold an interest for a few months next year and after that they and the surrounding buildings will be forgotten about and probably will not a major tourist attraction.

My understanding is there is a need to demolish ajoining buildings to help shore up the foundations of the main properties. I don't see the issue here other than some people trying to hijack it for publicity.

it would be more of a tourist attraction if restored and promoted properly then some tinpot irish shopping centre. the ajoining buildings aren't being demolished to help the foundations of the main ones. the only publicity being looked for here is the cause of protecting our herratige

imitation

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

We have the 11th highest gdp per capita in the world, we arent a nation of paupers, I think we will be able to manage to have the 1916 celebrations and make sure the flood victims don't go to rack and ruin without too much issue.

Tony EH

downwesht wrote: »

Much of the country wouldn't mind if we lost Dublin as a whole!

You soon would when you realised there was nowhere else to go get a job in the feckin country.

donvito99

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It's typically Irish to not want to spend money on commemorations of independence, or major historical events.

What events/commemorations haven't we spent money on?

We do a National Commemoration Day every year at the Royal Hospital (with flypast, ooooohh), famine commemorations, a Rising commemoration every year, we had an enormous 1916 commemoration in 2006...


What is truly Irish is people pulling facts out of their arse, presenting them as facts, often to the detriment of a large class or swathe of people, or the country at large.

RT&#201 wrote:

However, buildings on either side of the national monument site will be demolished as part of the works.

What in almighty is the issue here?

end of the road

donvito99 wrote: »

What events/commemorations haven't we spent money on?

We do a National Commemoration Day every year at the Royal Hospital (with flypast, ooooohh), famine commemorations, a Rising commemoration every year, we had an enormous 1916 commemoration in 2006...


What is truly Irish is people pulling facts out of their arse, presenting them as facts, often to the detriment of a large class or swathe of people, or the country at large.



What in almighty is the issue here?

the buildings were also used during the battle and are of historic signifficance. they will all (if restored) add more character to one of the most famous places in dublin, which some want to destroy and eradicate from existance, to replace with a cheep nasty and tacky gentrified area. that, is the issue. shouldn't that be obvious?

donvito99

end of the road wrote: »

the buildings were also used during the battle and are of historic signifficance. they will all (if restored) add more character to one of the most famous places in dublin, which some want to destroy and eradicate from existance, to replace with a cheep nasty and tacky gentrified area. that, is the issue. shouldn't that be obvious?

While Moore St certainly is of historic significance, why must every single building on the terrace be preserved where members of the rising set foot i.e. this is where my great grandfather took a dump, and that's where they made the tea over there in no. 18...

Why not stick with the existing national site, do it up - as is being done - and explain the full extent of what happened in the Moore St terrace there. This is a typically mountainous molehill designed and constructed by people who scour Facebook in the morning in search of their "dis countree is an absolu joke so it ix" story of the day.

As an aside, my great Grandfather's pension application which we came across says that he escaped the GPO to Moore St before being captured and sent to Frongoch. Does the entire street - including redevelopment opposite the significant buildings - need to be jeopardised for his sake? No, it doesn't need to be.

Shure, didn't the rising provoke the destruction of central dublin and the deaths of hundreds of civilians, incl children? Where's their ultimately useless memorial?

end of the road

donvito99 wrote: »

While Moore St certainly is of historic significance, why must every single building on the terrace be preserved where members of the rising set foot i.e. this is where my great grandfather took a dump, and that's where they made the tea over there in no. 18...

Because they are all of historic signifficance and preservation of a large area of the most famous place in dublin is completely the right thing to do. the whole area is a tourist attraction and if all done up properly can bring tourists from far and wide unlike some tinpot shopping centre.

donvito99 wrote: »

Why not stick with the existing national site, do it up - as is being done - and explain the full extent of what happened in the Moore St terrace there.

why stick with it when you can have more. the national site will be done up anyway. however keeping a small bit of dublin as is for future generations is something a prowd country would do. the only issue i can see you having with this protest is you stand to lose a few quid or are one of these types who wish to destroy for a mythical few quid.

donvito99 wrote: »

This is a typically mountainous molehill designed and constructed by people who scour Facebook in the morning in search of their "dis countree is an absolu joke so it ix" story of the day.

no it isn't. stop making up nonsense because some are sick of their cities history being destroyed to line someones pockets.

donvito99 wrote: »

As an aside, my great Grandfather's pension application which we came across says that he escaped the GPO to Moore St before being captured and sent to Frongoch. Does the entire street - including redevelopment opposite the significant buildings - be jeopardised for his sake? No, it doesn't need to be.

the development will bring nothing to the area. its just another of what is all ready there, except all the others are more convenient and accessible.

donvito99 wrote: »

Shure, didn't the rising provoke the destruction of central dublin and the deaths of hundreds of civilians, incl children? Where's their ultimately useless memorial?

oh so because there isn't a memorial to one we mustn't have a tourist attraction of a good size area preserved as a monument not just to 1916 but to dublins past in general? you could always campain for a memorial to the civilians if you feel that strongly about it, all though i suspect you don't.

donvito99

end of the road wrote: »

preservation of a large area of the most famous place in dublin

Oh get a hold of yourself.

the whole area is a tourist attraction and if all done up properly can bring tourists from far and wide unlike some tinpot shopping centre.

I'd wager that tye shopping centre would bring more footfall to the area than a row of delapidated buildings. And to come back to reality for a moment, the shopping centre = area redevelopment, something the street sorely needs.

why stick with it when you can have more. the national site will be done up anyway. however keeping a small bit of dublin as is for future generations is something a prowd country would do.

A couple of houses of moore st doth not a proud country make.

the only issue i can see you having with this protest is you stand to lose a few quid or are one of these types who wish to destroy for a mythical few quid.

The latest go to defence for those who think they're the twenty first centuries answer to Patrick pearse... Cronyism, corruption blah blah blah get a hold of yourself. Laughable.

no it isn't. stop making up nonsense because some are sick of their cities history being destroyed to line someones pockets.

Let's get rid of the traders then? Making mint outside a national monument?

the development will bring nothing to the area. its just another of what is all ready there, except all the others are more convenient and accessible.

Henry St begs to differ.

you could always campain for a memorial to the civilians if you feel that strongly about it, all though i suspect you don't.

I just raised the issue of recognition of civilian victims of the Rising, and you reckon I don't care for them...?

MadsL

donvito99 wrote: »

This is a typically mountainous molehill designed and constructed by people who scour Facebook in the morning in search of their "dis countree is an absolu joke so it ix" story of the day.

Nope. I think if you looked rather than assumed you'd find a good few of the living relatives of the Rising leaders amongst them, some of whom have been fighting Dublin City Council's incompetence and corruption for years over this site. It has been far from 'story of the day' - I sat with many of them at the APB Oral Hearing on the plans back in 2009.

They got kicked in the balls by FG after a long. long struggle to get this site recognised for what it is, a significant piece of Irish living history. Disgraceful outcome based on the cesspit that is politicians seedy relationship with NAMA, where money is more important than culture.

MadsL

One thing isn't lost on me though...

History repeats itself.
Has to, no-one listens.

end of the road

donvito99 wrote: »

Oh get a hold of yourself.

i know you don't like the reality. thats your problem not mine.

donvito99 wrote: »

I'd wager that tye shopping centre would bring more footfall to the area than a row of delapidated buildings.

considering there are all ready easier accessible more convenient ones, hardly

[QUOTE=donvito99;98348000to come back to reality for a moment, the shopping centre = area redevelopment, something the street sorely needs.[/QUOTE]

plenty of ways to develop the area, such as a proper historic tourist attraction for future generations and foreign tourists to enjoy. not another tin pot shopping centre which might bring a few locals if lucky as the existing ones are more convenient.

[QUOTE=donvito99;98348000A couple of houses of moore st doth not a proud country make.[/QUOTE]

it does unless your one of the few who would destroy anything and everything of our history for a few quid.

donvito99 wrote: »

The latest go to defence for those who think they're the twenty first centuries answer to Patrick pearse... Cronyism, corruption blah blah blah get a hold of yourself. Laughable.

its reality, if you find reality laughable thats your problem. this country is known world wide for that nonsense. you might be prowd of it, but i'm ashamed of it personally as are many others.

donvito99 wrote: »

Let's get rid of the traders then? Making mint outside a national monument?

the traders have been there for hundreds of years. mind you there are attempts to eradicate them.

donvito99 wrote: »

Henry St begs to differ.

is irrelevant to the discussion.

donvito99 wrote: »

I just raised the issue of recognition of civilian victims of the Rising, and you reckon I don't care for them...?

tbh you don't sound like you do. you sound like someone raising something for their own agenda

newacc2015

Has anyone on this actually read the article?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buildings-at-centre-of-moore-st-protest-not-historically-significant-1.2489475

Basically the 3/4 important buildings are being saved. Some of the buildings that people want saved didnt exist back then. There is no reason to save buildings with no historical importance.

end of the road

newacc2015 wrote: »

Has anyone on this actually read the article?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buildings-at-centre-of-moore-st-protest-not-historically-significant-1.2489475

Basically the 3/4 important buildings are being saved. Some of the buildings that people want saved didnt exist back then. There is no reason to save buildings with no historical importance.

all the buildings which people want saved did exist back then and are of historic signifficance. they were all used by our boys in their last stand

dloob

end of the road wrote: »

all the buildings which people want saved did exist back then and are of historic signifficance. they were all used by our boys in their last stand

According to one of the eirgi heads 18 & 19 were demolised and rebuilt in 1970 and they are protesting them being demolised now because I guess they like a good protest.
https://www.facebook.com/damien.farrell.18/posts/1122898587744292

gladrags

donvito99 wrote: »

Oh get a hold of yourself.



I'd wager that tye shopping centre would bring more footfall to the area than a row of delapidated buildings. And to come back to reality for a moment, the shopping centre = area redevelopment, something the street sorely needs.





A couple of houses of moore st doth not a proud country make.



The latest go to defence for those who think they're the twenty first centuries answer to Patrick pearse... Cronyism, corruption blah blah blah get a hold of yourself. Laughable.






Let's get rid of the traders then? Making mint outside a national monument?





Henry St begs to differ.


I just raised the issue of recognition of civilian victims of the Rising, and you reckon I don't care for them...?

Moore st has turned into a kip,and the areas around it are no better.

Take a walk down O'Connell St ,and there you have it.

Why don't they go the full hog,and turn the GPO into
a fast food joint,or a pound shop.

if anything,this building should be preseved as a mark of respect to those who were treated like dogs,in the tennamens of Dublin and other parts of Ireland.

Nodin

gladrags wrote: »

Moore st has turned into a kip,and the areas around it are no better.

Take a walk down O'Connell St ,and there you have it.

Why don't they go the full hog,and turn the GPO into
a fast food joint,or a pound shop.

if anything,this building should be preseved as a mark of respect to those who were treated like dogs,in the tennamens of Dublin and other parts of Ireland.

Rather that than another shopping centre.

JustTheOne

Moore street is turning into anything but the resemblene of Irish history.

Its ethnic shops and internet cafes etc has eroded that.

Kind of ironic really.

It now symbols this new multicultural Ireland where its culture and heritage are slowly been dissolved slowly but surely.

Internet Ham

dodderangler wrote: »

So let's just forget about 1916 then? Possibly the most historic day in Irish history? If that's the case why didn't we cancel Christmas and New year's and sure throw in Patrick's day aswell .
Yes it is terrible what's happened but post in on boards isn't going to help it .

He did say lets commemorate it frugally. At no point did he say let us forget it. If you are going to jump on someones post at least read it fully.

Internet Ham

end of the road wrote: »

all the buildings which people want saved did exist back then and are of historic signifficance. they were all used by our boys in their last stand

I will never understand this national pride business that you seem to be afflicted with. You just so happen to be born in Ireland. You could have been born in Pakistan or China. You had nothing to do with your nationality. They are most certainly not ''our boys'', that would indicate collective ownership. They also happened to be Irish. You may agree or disagree with their actions but do not call them ''our boys''. We, as in you and I, had nothing to do with it.

This national pride bollocks is such a narrow prism to view this subject. Remove that from the equation and look at Moore Street objectively. It is a five star sh1thole. Work needs to be done. Are we to keep EVERYTHING that may have historical significance, regardless of it's condition?

Kev W

Internet Ham wrote: »

I will never understand this national pride business that you seem to be afflicted with. You just so happen to be born in Ireland. You could have been born in Pakistan or China. You had nothing to do with your nationality. They are most certainly not ''our boys'', that would indicate collective ownership. They also happened to be Irish. You may agree or disagree with their actions but do not call them ''our boys''. We, as in you and I, had nothing to do with it.

This national pride bollocks is such a narrow prism to view this subject. Remove that from the equation and look at Moore Street objectively. It is a five star sh1thole. Work needs to be done. Are we to keep EVERYTHING that may have historical significance, regardless of it's condition?

Absolutely. In fact, given that Abbey Street was mostly destroyed in the rising, the buildings built since should be demolished and renamed the 1916 Memorial Rubble Heap.

micosoft

MadsL wrote: »

Nope. I think if you looked rather than assumed you'd find a good few of the living relatives of the Rising leaders amongst them, some of whom have been fighting Dublin City Council's incompetence and corruption for years over this site. It has been far from 'story of the day' - I sat with many of them at the APB Oral Hearing on the plans back in 2009.

They got kicked in the balls by FG after a long. long struggle to get this site recognised for what it is, a significant piece of Irish living history. Disgraceful outcome based on the cesspit that is politicians seedy relationship with NAMA, where money is more important than culture.

It's not even mildly significant. I lived near the area for years. Nobody gave a damn. As someone who has a deep interest in history I can safely say nobody is going to visit a couple of small, architecturally and historically insignificant houses because some rebels stayed there briefly. Put it another way, if I was visiting Finland and they created a bizarre visiter centre around a nondescript couple of houses OR would I go to something actually significant? The GPO is more then sufficient as a monument to that time. This is an enormous waste of time and energy and seems to be yet another rabble rabble FG is not patriotic enough joke.