Moore street sit in

imitation · 09-01-2016 12:38AM

downwesht wrote: »

It is typically Irish, that in a week where so many 2016 residents are out of their homes due to flooding,that there are a group including politicians protesting about 1916 buildings in Moore street.
In my opinion the budget set aside for 1916 rememberence should be reallocated to help those flooding victims.We as a country cannot afford to have these lavish ceremonies,by all means commemerate frugally but as my father used to say "look after the living,the dead must look after themselves"

We have the 11th highest gdp per capita in the world, we arent a nation of paupers, I think we will be able to manage to have the 1916 celebrations and make sure the flood victims don't go to rack and ruin without too much issue.

Tony EH · 09-01-2016 12:52AM

downwesht wrote: »

Much of the country wouldn't mind if we lost Dublin as a whole!

You soon would when you realised there was nowhere else to go get a job in the feckin country.

donvito99 · 09-01-2016 12:56AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It's typically Irish to not want to spend money on commemorations of independence, or major historical events.

What events/commemorations haven't we spent money on?

We do a National Commemoration Day every year at the Royal Hospital (with flypast, ooooohh), famine commemorations, a Rising commemoration every year, we had an enormous 1916 commemoration in 2006...

What is truly Irish is people pulling facts out of their arse, presenting them as facts, often to the detriment of a large class or swathe of people, or the country at large.

RT&#201 wrote:

However, buildings on either side of the national monument site will be demolished as part of the works.

What in almighty is the issue here?

end of the road · 09-01-2016 02:01AM

donvito99 wrote: »

What events/commemorations haven't we spent money on?

We do a National Commemoration Day every year at the Royal Hospital (with flypast, ooooohh), famine commemorations, a Rising commemoration every year, we had an enormous 1916 commemoration in 2006...

What is truly Irish is people pulling facts out of their arse, presenting them as facts, often to the detriment of a large class or swathe of people, or the country at large.

What in almighty is the issue here?

the buildings were also used during the battle and are of historic signifficance. they will all (if restored) add more character to one of the most famous places in dublin, which some want to destroy and eradicate from existance, to replace with a cheep nasty and tacky gentrified area. that, is the issue. shouldn't that be obvious?

donvito99 · 09-01-2016 02:19AM

end of the road wrote: »

the buildings were also used during the battle and are of historic signifficance. they will all (if restored) add more character to one of the most famous places in dublin, which some want to destroy and eradicate from existance, to replace with a cheep nasty and tacky gentrified area. that, is the issue. shouldn't that be obvious?

While Moore St certainly is of historic significance, why must every single building on the terrace be preserved where members of the rising set foot i.e. this is where my great grandfather took a dump, and that's where they made the tea over there in no. 18...

Why not stick with the existing national site, do it up - as is being done - and explain the full extent of what happened in the Moore St terrace there. This is a typically mountainous molehill designed and constructed by people who scour Facebook in the morning in search of their "dis countree is an absolu joke so it ix" story of the day.

As an aside, my great Grandfather's pension application which we came across says that he escaped the GPO to Moore St before being captured and sent to Frongoch. Does the entire street - including redevelopment opposite the significant buildings - need to be jeopardised for his sake? No, it doesn't need to be.

Shure, didn't the rising provoke the destruction of central dublin and the deaths of hundreds of civilians, incl children? Where's their ultimately useless memorial?

end of the road · 09-01-2016 02:36AM

donvito99 wrote: »

While Moore St certainly is of historic significance, why must every single building on the terrace be preserved where members of the rising set foot i.e. this is where my great grandfather took a dump, and that's where they made the tea over there in no. 18...

Because they are all of historic signifficance and preservation of a large area of the most famous place in dublin is completely the right thing to do. the whole area is a tourist attraction and if all done up properly can bring tourists from far and wide unlike some tinpot shopping centre.

donvito99 wrote: »

Why not stick with the existing national site, do it up - as is being done - and explain the full extent of what happened in the Moore St terrace there.

why stick with it when you can have more. the national site will be done up anyway. however keeping a small bit of dublin as is for future generations is something a prowd country would do. the only issue i can see you having with this protest is you stand to lose a few quid or are one of these types who wish to destroy for a mythical few quid.

donvito99 wrote: »

This is a typically mountainous molehill designed and constructed by people who scour Facebook in the morning in search of their "dis countree is an absolu joke so it ix" story of the day.

no it isn't. stop making up nonsense because some are sick of their cities history being destroyed to line someones pockets.

donvito99 wrote: »

As an aside, my great Grandfather's pension application which we came across says that he escaped the GPO to Moore St before being captured and sent to Frongoch. Does the entire street - including redevelopment opposite the significant buildings - be jeopardised for his sake? No, it doesn't need to be.

the development will bring nothing to the area. its just another of what is all ready there, except all the others are more convenient and accessible.

donvito99 wrote: »

Shure, didn't the rising provoke the destruction of central dublin and the deaths of hundreds of civilians, incl children? Where's their ultimately useless memorial?

oh so because there isn't a memorial to one we mustn't have a tourist attraction of a good size area preserved as a monument not just to 1916 but to dublins past in general? you could always campain for a memorial to the civilians if you feel that strongly about it, all though i suspect you don't.

donvito99 · 09-01-2016 02:48AM

end of the road wrote: »

preservation of a large area of the most famous place in dublin

Oh get a hold of yourself.

the whole area is a tourist attraction and if all done up properly can bring tourists from far and wide unlike some tinpot shopping centre.

I'd wager that tye shopping centre would bring more footfall to the area than a row of delapidated buildings. And to come back to reality for a moment, the shopping centre = area redevelopment, something the street sorely needs.

why stick with it when you can have more. the national site will be done up anyway. however keeping a small bit of dublin as is for future generations is something a prowd country would do.

A couple of houses of moore st doth not a proud country make.

the only issue i can see you having with this protest is you stand to lose a few quid or are one of these types who wish to destroy for a mythical few quid.

The latest go to defence for those who think they're the twenty first centuries answer to Patrick pearse... Cronyism, corruption blah blah blah get a hold of yourself. Laughable.

no it isn't. stop making up nonsense because some are sick of their cities history being destroyed to line someones pockets.

Let's get rid of the traders then? Making mint outside a national monument?

the development will bring nothing to the area. its just another of what is all ready there, except all the others are more convenient and accessible.

Henry St begs to differ.

you could always campain for a memorial to the civilians if you feel that strongly about it, all though i suspect you don't.

I just raised the issue of recognition of civilian victims of the Rising, and you reckon I don't care for them...?

MadsL · 09-01-2016 02:54AM

donvito99 wrote: »

This is a typically mountainous molehill designed and constructed by people who scour Facebook in the morning in search of their "dis countree is an absolu joke so it ix" story of the day.

Nope. I think if you looked rather than assumed you'd find a good few of the living relatives of the Rising leaders amongst them, some of whom have been fighting Dublin City Council's incompetence and corruption for years over this site. It has been far from 'story of the day' - I sat with many of them at the APB Oral Hearing on the plans back in 2009.

They got kicked in the balls by FG after a long. long struggle to get this site recognised for what it is, a significant piece of Irish living history. Disgraceful outcome based on the cesspit that is politicians seedy relationship with NAMA, where money is more important than culture.

MadsL · 09-01-2016 03:01AM

One thing isn't lost on me though...

History repeats itself.
Has to, no-one listens.

end of the road · 09-01-2016 03:23AM

donvito99 wrote: »

Oh get a hold of yourself.

i know you don't like the reality. thats your problem not mine.

donvito99 wrote: »

I'd wager that tye shopping centre would bring more footfall to the area than a row of delapidated buildings.

considering there are all ready easier accessible more convenient ones, hardly

[QUOTE=donvito99;98348000to come back to reality for a moment, the shopping centre = area redevelopment, something the street sorely needs.[/QUOTE]

plenty of ways to develop the area, such as a proper historic tourist attraction for future generations and foreign tourists to enjoy. not another tin pot shopping centre which might bring a few locals if lucky as the existing ones are more convenient.

[QUOTE=donvito99;98348000A couple of houses of moore st doth not a proud country make.[/QUOTE]

it does unless your one of the few who would destroy anything and everything of our history for a few quid.

donvito99 wrote: »

The latest go to defence for those who think they're the twenty first centuries answer to Patrick pearse... Cronyism, corruption blah blah blah get a hold of yourself. Laughable.

its reality, if you find reality laughable thats your problem. this country is known world wide for that nonsense. you might be prowd of it, but i'm ashamed of it personally as are many others.

donvito99 wrote: »

Let's get rid of the traders then? Making mint outside a national monument?

the traders have been there for hundreds of years. mind you there are attempts to eradicate them.

donvito99 wrote: »

Henry St begs to differ.

is irrelevant to the discussion.

donvito99 wrote: »

I just raised the issue of recognition of civilian victims of the Rising, and you reckon I don't care for them...?

tbh you don't sound like you do. you sound like someone raising something for their own agenda

newacc2015 · 09-01-2016 03:32AM

Has anyone on this actually read the article?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buildings-at-centre-of-moore-st-protest-not-historically-significant-1.2489475

Basically the 3/4 important buildings are being saved. Some of the buildings that people want saved didnt exist back then. There is no reason to save buildings with no historical importance.

end of the road · 09-01-2016 03:43AM

newacc2015 wrote: »

Has anyone on this actually read the article?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buildings-at-centre-of-moore-st-protest-not-historically-significant-1.2489475

Basically the 3/4 important buildings are being saved. Some of the buildings that people want saved didnt exist back then. There is no reason to save buildings with no historical importance.

all the buildings which people want saved did exist back then and are of historic signifficance. they were all used by our boys in their last stand

dloob · 09-01-2016 03:52AM

end of the road wrote: »

all the buildings which people want saved did exist back then and are of historic signifficance. they were all used by our boys in their last stand

According to one of the eirgi heads 18 & 19 were demolised and rebuilt in 1970 and they are protesting them being demolised now because I guess they like a good protest.
https://www.facebook.com/damien.farrell.18/posts/1122898587744292

gladrags · 09-01-2016 04:01AM

donvito99 wrote: »

Oh get a hold of yourself.

I'd wager that tye shopping centre would bring more footfall to the area than a row of delapidated buildings. And to come back to reality for a moment, the shopping centre = area redevelopment, something the street sorely needs.

A couple of houses of moore st doth not a proud country make.

The latest go to defence for those who think they're the twenty first centuries answer to Patrick pearse... Cronyism, corruption blah blah blah get a hold of yourself. Laughable.

Let's get rid of the traders then? Making mint outside a national monument?

Henry St begs to differ.

I just raised the issue of recognition of civilian victims of the Rising, and you reckon I don't care for them...?

Moore st has turned into a kip,and the areas around it are no better.

Take a walk down O'Connell St ,and there you have it.

Why don't they go the full hog,and turn the GPO into
a fast food joint,or a pound shop.

if anything,this building should be preseved as a mark of respect to those who were treated like dogs,in the tennamens of Dublin and other parts of Ireland.

Nodin · 09-01-2016 05:56AM

gladrags wrote: »

Moore st has turned into a kip,and the areas around it are no better.

Take a walk down O'Connell St ,and there you have it.

Why don't they go the full hog,and turn the GPO into
a fast food joint,or a pound shop.

if anything,this building should be preseved as a mark of respect to those who were treated like dogs,in the tennamens of Dublin and other parts of Ireland.

Rather that than another shopping centre.

JustTheOne · 09-01-2016 06:12AM

Moore street is turning into anything but the resemblene of Irish history.

Its ethnic shops and internet cafes etc has eroded that.

Kind of ironic really.

It now symbols this new multicultural Ireland where its culture and heritage are slowly been dissolved slowly but surely.

Internet Ham · 09-01-2016 06:20AM

dodderangler wrote: »

So let's just forget about 1916 then? Possibly the most historic day in Irish history? If that's the case why didn't we cancel Christmas and New year's and sure throw in Patrick's day aswell .
Yes it is terrible what's happened but post in on boards isn't going to help it .

He did say lets commemorate it frugally. At no point did he say let us forget it. If you are going to jump on someones post at least read it fully.

Internet Ham · 09-01-2016 06:35AM

end of the road wrote: »

all the buildings which people want saved did exist back then and are of historic signifficance. they were all used by our boys in their last stand

I will never understand this national pride business that you seem to be afflicted with. You just so happen to be born in Ireland. You could have been born in Pakistan or China. You had nothing to do with your nationality. They are most certainly not ''our boys'', that would indicate collective ownership. They also happened to be Irish. You may agree or disagree with their actions but do not call them ''our boys''. We, as in you and I, had nothing to do with it.

This national pride bollocks is such a narrow prism to view this subject. Remove that from the equation and look at Moore Street objectively. It is a five star sh1thole. Work needs to be done. Are we to keep EVERYTHING that may have historical significance, regardless of it's condition?

Kev W · 09-01-2016 10:56AM

Internet Ham wrote: »

I will never understand this national pride business that you seem to be afflicted with. You just so happen to be born in Ireland. You could have been born in Pakistan or China. You had nothing to do with your nationality. They are most certainly not ''our boys'', that would indicate collective ownership. They also happened to be Irish. You may agree or disagree with their actions but do not call them ''our boys''. We, as in you and I, had nothing to do with it.

This national pride bollocks is such a narrow prism to view this subject. Remove that from the equation and look at Moore Street objectively. It is a five star sh1thole. Work needs to be done. Are we to keep EVERYTHING that may have historical significance, regardless of it's condition?

Absolutely. In fact, given that Abbey Street was mostly destroyed in the rising, the buildings built since should be demolished and renamed the 1916 Memorial Rubble Heap.

micosoft · 09-01-2016 11:13AM

MadsL wrote: »

Nope. I think if you looked rather than assumed you'd find a good few of the living relatives of the Rising leaders amongst them, some of whom have been fighting Dublin City Council's incompetence and corruption for years over this site. It has been far from 'story of the day' - I sat with many of them at the APB Oral Hearing on the plans back in 2009.

They got kicked in the balls by FG after a long. long struggle to get this site recognised for what it is, a significant piece of Irish living history. Disgraceful outcome based on the cesspit that is politicians seedy relationship with NAMA, where money is more important than culture.

It's not even mildly significant. I lived near the area for years. Nobody gave a damn. As someone who has a deep interest in history I can safely say nobody is going to visit a couple of small, architecturally and historically insignificant houses because some rebels stayed there briefly. Put it another way, if I was visiting Finland and they created a bizarre visiter centre around a nondescript couple of houses OR would I go to something actually significant? The GPO is more then sufficient as a monument to that time. This is an enormous waste of time and energy and seems to be yet another rabble rabble FG is not patriotic enough joke.

micosoft · 09-01-2016 11:16AM

Internet Ham wrote: »

I will never understand this national pride business that you seem to be afflicted with. You just so happen to be born in Ireland. You could have been born in Pakistan or China. You had nothing to do with your nationality. They are most certainly not ''our boys'', that would indicate collective ownership. They also happened to be Irish. You may agree or disagree with their actions but do not call them ''our boys''. We, as in you and I, had nothing to do with it.

This national pride bollocks is such a narrow prism to view this subject. Remove that from the equation and look at Moore Street objectively. It is a five star sh1thole. Work needs to be done. Are we to keep EVERYTHING that may have historical significance, regardless of it's condition?

True - patriotism, the last refugee of the scoundrel. TBH I was kind of hopeful they would turn Moore St. into China Town and put a Chinese Gate at one end! Sure there are more people speaking Chinese in this country then Irish and they contribute a hellava lot more than the Eirigi types...

enda1 · 09-01-2016 11:24AM

Full Marx wrote: »

madness wanting to knock down those historic buildings to put up another bloody shopping centre, all to benefit a corrupt Nama developer.

You went Full Marx!

Never go Full Marx:eek:

gladrags · 09-01-2016 11:30AM

Internet Ham wrote: »

I will never understand this national pride business that you seem to be afflicted with. You just so happen to be born in Ireland. You could have been born in Pakistan or China...

Are we to keep EVERYTHING that may have historical significance, regardless of it's condition?

It is a natural trait for different nations and cultures,to have an interest in their past.

If you visit any major city ,you will see abundant aertefacts of the past.

Be it Belfast,London or Rome.

If you open your eyes,you will also find this sense of pride,in a family home,or a town village or street.

1916 was an historical event of sigificance,and I believe most Irish people see it that way.

To one degree or another.

gladrags · 09-01-2016 11:32AM

micosoft wrote: »

True - patriotism, the last refugee of the scoundrel. TBH I was kind of hopeful they would turn Moore St. into China Town and put a Chinese Gate at one end! Sure there are more people speaking Chinese in this country then Irish and they contribute a hellava lot more than the Eirigi types...

Ridiculous.

Nodin · 09-01-2016 11:43AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Moore street is turning into anything but the resemblene of Irish history.

Its ethnic shops and internet cafes etc has eroded that.

Kind of ironic really.

It now symbols this new multicultural Ireland where its culture and heritage are slowly been dissolved slowly but surely.

Dear god.....can we have one thread that isn't hijacked.

Mesrine65 · 09-01-2016 11:44AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Moore street is turning into anything but the resemblene of Irish history.

Its ethnic shops and internet cafes etc has eroded that.

Kind of ironic really.

It now symbols this new multicultural Ireland where its culture and heritage are slowly been dissolved slowly but surely.

Moore Street, Dublin's answer to London's Brick Lane (I love both Moore Street & Brick Lane )

haveringchick · 09-01-2016 11:45AM

end of the road wrote: »

all the buildings which people want saved did exist back then and are of historic signifficance. they were all used by our boys in their last stand

As soon as I find you referring to individuals as "our boys" eotr, it's as if the kiss of death has been delivered.
These buildings are coming down folks, simply because EOTR has given this protest his blessing

enda1 · 09-01-2016 11:45AM

^
Brick Lane's a hape of crap. Moore Street aint far behind.

Internet Ham · 09-01-2016 11:45AM

gladrags wrote: »

It is a natural trait for different nations and cultures,to have an interest in their past.

If you visit any major city ,you will see abundant aertefacts of the past.

Be it Belfast,London or Rome.

If you open your eyes,you will also find this sense of pride,in a family home,or a town village or street.

1916 was an historical event of sigificance,and I believe most Irish people see it that way.

To one degree or another.

Did I give you the impression my eyes were closed? I am on Moore Street at least once a week, I fail to see any of this sense of pride you are talking about on any part of the street. It is filthy and consists of African shops to buy a weave or internet cafes.

If stepping over rotten fruit, fish and vomit is something to be proud of that says far more about you than it does me.

Mesrine65 · 09-01-2016 11:47AM

enda1 wrote: »

^
Brick Lane's a hape of crap. Moore Street aint far behind.

Great food, atmosphere, diversity & craic though

Moore street sit in

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